Why you don't hear about Tim Tebow lately...

[Headhunter]

Tebow was an all time great in college and drafted as a qb. He has a winning record as an NFL qb. He can make a great living as a public speaker among other things, even if he never touched a football again.

Why should a guy with millions in the bank and a secure future due to his mind not do what he wants? If he doesn't want to become brain damaged by playing another position, that is a great decision to me.

He seems to be a special person destined for greatness. He has earned the right to choose how he gets there.

Almost every draft analyst worth a damn with any sense of objectivity knew he was another great college QB who couldn't translate to the pros. What do you think the hit rate for college QBs is, exactly? Do you remember some of the Heisman winners of the 90s and early 2000s?

Because he couldn't do it? You will only have a body that can make you money professionally for a certain period of time, he wasted a few of those prime years. Should have been playing rugby or starting baseball by 2012. Everyone knew he couldn't play in the NFL, from players to coaches to executives. Everyone. It is what it is, if he could have played he'd be in the league.

Tebow doesn't seem like the type who wastes any years. He did other things. His desire was to be an NFL qb. Again, with his other opportunities, why get brain damage playing another position? Tebow can make millions doing about a dozen other things.

It is the NFLs loss. He would be an amazing asset as a backup qb, at minimum. A winner with unique skills who inspires men.

That's fine, but the reality is that it was a fruitless quest because he didn't have the ability. He would have been better off walking into the sunset after the 2011 season and fully committing to a new craft. That would have been legendary.

No he is not an amazing asset as a backup in any way. NFL teams want backups who can absorb the playbook, run the offense without severe limitations in a pinch and be a good practice player, zero of those things Tebow was capable of as proven in just two years in Denver. There is a reason the well ran dry for Tebow, there's nothing you can do with him as a QB, it hurts players around him in practice and wastes a roster spot for someone who has a chance to stick and be molded into something.

I don't know. I would prefer to make the moneTebow made while doing what he loved. I would not consider it fruitless. He inspired millions and gave a city and a nation a thrill ride. He can't help it he has to deal with people who think they know what they obviously don't. How many current NFL qbs have more playoff wins than Tebow? Five?

Tebow has as many playoff wins as Brock Osweiler, another QB who is so bad that the team he got that win for gave the Browns a second round pick in a deal just to take him off their hands.

The defense gave up 16 points per game in the games Tebow won as starter. When they gave up more than 20 a game, they compensated by forcing more turnovers. The special teams were incredible during that whole stretch. Close game records and Pythagorean win totals are good indicators of flukes and that team was a fluke. The biggest fluke was Tebow as evidenced by the organization's incredible success after him, especially on defense, and his...uh, career change.

[Foo]

Jay Cutler and Jake Plummer threw some pretty spirals. Nice long NFL careers because talent evaluators would rather see pretty spirals thrown by a loser with no heart than wounded ducks thrown by a winner.

Both were Aaron Rodgers compared to Tim Tebow, so what's your point? You don't invest in fluke situations, everyone could see Tebow was a bad QB.

So you invest in career losers with no heart?

I have no problem with the notion that Tebow is not a Super Bowl starting qb. When your starter goes down and you are down a score in the 4th quarter or need a guy to fill in a game or two an pull off a win, I would rather have Tebow than just about any other backup.

Tebow has proven he can lead a team and lead comebacks. Would rather have him standing there ready instead of some journeyman backup who comes in and looks like a watered down version of the starter who already has the team behind.

[Foo]

Tebow was an all time great in college and drafted as a qb. He has a winning record as an NFL qb. He can make a great living as a public speaker among other things, even if he never touched a football again.

Why should a guy with millions in the bank and a secure future due to his mind not do what he wants? If he doesn't want to become brain damaged by playing another position, that is a great decision to me.

He seems to be a special person destined for greatness. He has earned the right to choose how he gets there.

Almost every draft analyst worth a damn with any sense of objectivity knew he was another great college QB who couldn't translate to the pros. What do you think the hit rate for college QBs is, exactly? Do you remember some of the Heisman winners of the 90s and early 2000s?

Because he couldn't do it? You will only have a body that can make you money professionally for a certain period of time, he wasted a few of those prime years. Should have been playing rugby or starting baseball by 2012. Everyone knew he couldn't play in the NFL, from players to coaches to executives. Everyone. It is what it is, if he could have played he'd be in the league.

Tebow doesn't seem like the type who wastes any years. He did other things. His desire was to be an NFL qb. Again, with his other opportunities, why get brain damage playing another position? Tebow can make millions doing about a dozen other things.

It is the NFLs loss. He would be an amazing asset as a backup qb, at minimum. A winner with unique skills who inspires men.

That's fine, but the reality is that it was a fruitless quest because he didn't have the ability. He would have been better off walking into the sunset after the 2011 season and fully committing to a new craft. That would have been legendary.

No he is not an amazing asset as a backup in any way. NFL teams want backups who can absorb the playbook, run the offense without severe limitations in a pinch and be a good practice player, zero of those things Tebow was capable of as proven in just two years in Denver. There is a reason the well ran dry for Tebow, there's nothing you can do with him as a QB, it hurts players around him in practice and wastes a roster spot for someone who has a chance to stick and be molded into something.

I don't know. I would prefer to make the moneTebow made while doing what he loved. I would not consider it fruitless. He inspired millions and gave a city and a nation a thrill ride. He can't help it he has to deal with people who think they know what they obviously don't. How many current NFL qbs have more playoff wins than Tebow? Five?

Tebow has as many playoff wins as Brock Osweiler, another QB who is so bad that the team he got that win for gave the Browns a second round pick in a deal just to take him off their hands.

The defense gave up 16 points per game in the games Tebow won as starter. When they gave up more than 20 a game, they compensated by forcing more turnovers. The special teams were incredible during that whole stretch. Close game records and Pythagorean win totals are good indicators of flukes and that team was a fluke. The biggest fluke was Tebow as evidenced by the organization's incredible success after him, especially on defense, and his...uh, career change.

Osweiler was given more opportunity and lost his job. Tebow was never given the opportunity again.

Do you believe in leadership? Do you think people can bring more to the field than the physical tools they possess?

[Headhunter]

Guy had one great game seeing consistent Cover-0 looks with time to throw. Are you kidding, that is every QB's dream. And sorry, but not a single other starting QB in the NFL would have seen those looks and if they had, they would have shred Pittsburgh in that game too. Hell, average joe backups, it's that easy for the QBs. I've never seen coverages like that in the NFL used as anything but a wrinkle and that was their strategy. Put one of those safeties back and whoops, Tebow's back to being a bum. Sounds sustainable.

[Headhunter]

Jay Cutler and Jake Plummer threw some pretty spirals. Nice long NFL careers because talent evaluators would rather see pretty spirals thrown by a loser with no heart than wounded ducks thrown by a winner.

Both were Aaron Rodgers compared to Tim Tebow, so what's your point? You don't invest in fluke situations, everyone could see Tebow was a bad QB.

So you invest in career losers with no heart?

I have no problem with the notion that Tebow is not a Super Bowl starting qb. When your starter goes down and you are down a score in the 4th quarter or need a guy to fill in a game or two an pull off a win, I would rather have Tebow than just about any other backup.

Tebow has proven he can lead a team and lead comebacks. Would rather have him standing there ready instead of some journeyman backup who comes in and looks like a watered down version of the starter who already has the team behind.

Jake Plummer won how many games in Denver compared to Tebow? And which one beat Brady in the playoffs? Also, who said anything about investing in those guys? You're the one arguing I should invest in Tebow, a D- arm talent who is somehow supposed to compensate for wounded duck incompletions on 3rd downs by working really hard.

If you think that comeback shit was sustainable, I don't know what to tell you. Watching too many movies or something. Statistically close games in the NFL are coin flips and records in those games flip year-to-year with near certainty. This is a stone cold betting trend that pays off in the long run. Record in blowouts is more telling. They got their asses kicked by several teams and blew out nobody. A similarly built Tebow-led team the next season almost certainly wins 7 or less games. They had to move on.

You can't invest in a backup who's a liability in practice and not useful in any situation but an extremely specific hypothetical, plus you're assuming that "clutch factor" skill is sustainable and not an anomaly (which 9/10 times it is) for the slim chance that comeback scenario actually comes about once or twice. Yeah, the guy isn't worth an NFL roster spot.

[Headhunter]

Tebow was an all time great in college and drafted as a qb. He has a winning record as an NFL qb. He can make a great living as a public speaker among other things, even if he never touched a football again.

Why should a guy with millions in the bank and a secure future due to his mind not do what he wants? If he doesn't want to become brain damaged by playing another position, that is a great decision to me.

He seems to be a special person destined for greatness. He has earned the right to choose how he gets there.

Almost every draft analyst worth a damn with any sense of objectivity knew he was another great college QB who couldn't translate to the pros. What do you think the hit rate for college QBs is, exactly? Do you remember some of the Heisman winners of the 90s and early 2000s?

Because he couldn't do it? You will only have a body that can make you money professionally for a certain period of time, he wasted a few of those prime years. Should have been playing rugby or starting baseball by 2012. Everyone knew he couldn't play in the NFL, from players to coaches to executives. Everyone. It is what it is, if he could have played he'd be in the league.

Tebow doesn't seem like the type who wastes any years. He did other things. His desire was to be an NFL qb. Again, with his other opportunities, why get brain damage playing another position? Tebow can make millions doing about a dozen other things.

It is the NFLs loss. He would be an amazing asset as a backup qb, at minimum. A winner with unique skills who inspires men.

That's fine, but the reality is that it was a fruitless quest because he didn't have the ability. He would have been better off walking into the sunset after the 2011 season and fully committing to a new craft. That would have been legendary.

No he is not an amazing asset as a backup in any way. NFL teams want backups who can absorb the playbook, run the offense without severe limitations in a pinch and be a good practice player, zero of those things Tebow was capable of as proven in just two years in Denver. There is a reason the well ran dry for Tebow, there's nothing you can do with him as a QB, it hurts players around him in practice and wastes a roster spot for someone who has a chance to stick and be molded into something.

I don't know. I would prefer to make the moneTebow made while doing what he loved. I would not consider it fruitless. He inspired millions and gave a city and a nation a thrill ride. He can't help it he has to deal with people who think they know what they obviously don't. How many current NFL qbs have more playoff wins than Tebow? Five?

Tebow has as many playoff wins as Brock Osweiler, another QB who is so bad that the team he got that win for gave the Browns a second round pick in a deal just to take him off their hands.

The defense gave up 16 points per game in the games Tebow won as starter. When they gave up more than 20 a game, they compensated by forcing more turnovers. The special teams were incredible during that whole stretch. Close game records and Pythagorean win totals are good indicators of flukes and that team was a fluke. The biggest fluke was Tebow as evidenced by the organization's incredible success after him, especially on defense, and his...uh, career change.

Osweiler was given more opportunity and lost his job. Tebow was never given the opportunity again.

Do you believe in leadership? Do you think people can bring more to the field than the physical tools they possess?

How did Tebow do against the Pats in the divisional round? How'd he do competing with Sanchez, who was terrible? Did football genius Bill Belichick find any use for him? You're not outsmarting the NFL here. Tebow sucked.

I believe in production, leadership means little tangible if you can't produce yourself. By the way, part of leadership in sports is being a strong asset in practice. He was notoriously frustrating in practice for teams and hurt the flow of offenses, a complaint lobbied by both players and coaches.

[Headhunter]

Tebow''s last start in the NFL. Playoff game mind you..

36 total pass plays/QB runs. 121 yards from scrimmage. 17 incompletions. Five sacks taken. One fumble lost. No touchdowns scored. 10 points. Blowout loss.

That is who Tim Tebow was, not the fraud who exposed the worst defensive strategy in NFL history that hasn't been used since. It was a great game and a great memory as a fan but it was a better memory watching the 2012-2015 run where the team actually had a chance to win a championship every year and then finally did win a championship.

[Jason]

Guy had one great game seeing consistent Cover-0 looks with time to throw. Are you kidding, that is every QB's dream. And sorry, but not a single other starting QB in the NFL would have seen those looks and if they had, they would have shred Pittsburgh in that game too. Hell, average joe backups, it's that easy for the QBs. I've never seen coverages like that in the NFL used as anything but a wrinkle and that was their strategy. Put one of those safeties back and whoops, Tebow's back to being a bum. Sounds sustainable.

You do realize Pittsburgh's strategy was literally based on all that shit you're talking... They dared him to throw all game, and he rammed it down their fuckin' throats. Read Polamalu abandoning the safety position, fired one to Thomas and won the game. Same shit happened in Minnesota and Oakland. And even when he couldn't get the passing game going, he found a way to win. Haven't seen a QB carry a team on his back like that since Elway.

You also brought up that the defense allowed 16 points per game in Tebow's wins, but fail to acknowledge they gave up 41, 40 and 45 in three of his four losses in the regular season. He also bailed out the defense in three wins by having to drop 38, 35 and 34 on Oakland, Minnesota and Pittsburgh. Then they gave up 41 in his last playoff game. Dude's a winner. A master pro football improviser, mid-play. Every quarterback today is okay with chucking the ball away when nothing is open and settling for a 3rd and 10. Tebow will gut it up the middle for 6 and make it 3rd and 4. A shame his last NFL stint was under Chip Kelly, of all godawful coaches.

[Jmac Attack]

I do not want to hear any shit talking about Andy Dalton this year. He's become a fine QB, and is quite the long ball artist

[Reign in Blood]

Good for him, he is already a better professional baseball player than he ever was a professional football player.

Winning record as a starting QB in the NFL. Led team to playoffs and won a playoff game in his only season as starter. Named one of the NFLs top 100 players by his peers.

Pretty good at both.

This. Somebody put a strike-through through all of Headward's spewing hatred.

[Foo]

Tim Tebow took over a 1-4 team that had not won a playoff game in 6 years and led them not only to the playoffs, but to a victory.

He won a playoff game at 24 years old. He will become the only NFL qb to win a playoff game under age 30 and never start another game.

[Jmac Attack]

Why politicize this? I am hearing about him on sports talk radio and reading about him every day. Just read this earlier- https://www.yahoo.com/sports/tim-tebow- ... tml?exp=vv

Do you think if he makes the Mets tomorrow it won't be a big story?

[Headhunter]

Guy had one great game seeing consistent Cover-0 looks with time to throw. Are you kidding, that is every QB's dream. And sorry, but not a single other starting QB in the NFL would have seen those looks and if they had, they would have shred Pittsburgh in that game too. Hell, average joe backups, it's that easy for the QBs. I've never seen coverages like that in the NFL used as anything but a wrinkle and that was their strategy. Put one of those safeties back and whoops, Tebow's back to being a bum. Sounds sustainable.

You do realize Pittsburgh's strategy was literally based on all that shit you're talking... They dared him to throw all game, and he rammed it down their fuckin' throats. Read Polamalu abandoning the safety position, fired one to Thomas and won the game. Same shit happened in Minnesota and Oakland. And even when he couldn't get the passing game going, he found a way to win. Haven't seen a QB carry a team on his back like that since Elway.

You also brought up that the defense allowed 16 points per game in Tebow's wins, but fail to acknowledge they gave up 41, 40 and 45 in three of his four losses in the regular season. He also bailed out the defense in three wins by having to drop 38, 35 and 34 on Oakland, Minnesota and Pittsburgh. Then they gave up 41 in his last playoff game. Dude's a winner. A master pro football improviser, mid-play. Every quarterback today is okay with chucking the ball away when nothing is open and settling for a 3rd and 10. Tebow will gut it up the middle for 6 and make it 3rd and 4. A shame his last NFL stint was under Chip Kelly, of all godawful coaches.

And no team would ever do it again, so he'd be back to being terrible as he was the week before and the week after.

Do you want to look at some context with those numbers? Defense directly gave the Broncos 10 points at Minnesota. In that "40 point" Buffalo game, their defense scored THREE touchdowns. That's not "giving up" 40. In Oakland, they forced three turnovers and one of the Broncos' touchdowns came on a punt return. Against the Lions, Detroit's defense scored two touchdowns. That's not "giving up" 45. They got killed in games where the defense couldn't play perfect and Tebow would melt down and turn the ball over. The revisionist history here is AMAZING but with context the brilliance of the defense and special teams during that stretch becomes even more clear.

Tebow is not a master of anything but killing drives at a historical rate.

[Headhunter]

Tim Tebow took over a 1-4 team that had not won a playoff game in 6 years and led them not only to the playoffs, but to a victory.

He won a playoff game at 24 years old. He will become the only NFL qb to win a playoff game under age 30 and never start another game.

That stat is a reality because he was a terrible quarterback who couldn't complete half his passes. Not rocket science.

[Headhunter]

Good for him, he is already a better professional baseball player than he ever was a professional football player.

Winning record as a starting QB in the NFL. Led team to playoffs and won a playoff game in his only season as starter. Named one of the NFLs top 100 players by his peers.

Pretty good at both.

This. Somebody put a strike-through through all of Headward's spewing hatred.

No thanks, we don't need people scrolling through this site thinking this place is full of blind football evaluators, would be a bad look.

[Foo]

Have you considered his pass completion percentage is a function of his skill running the ball? Qbs run up high completion percentages in part because they are throwing so many check down passes. For Tebow, those became runs.

I would wager that his yards per completion is very high.

[Foo]

And...sure enough:

Tim Tebow had 13.7 yards per completion in 2011

In 2016, Matt Ryan was league MVP and led the league in that stat with 13.3.

Tim Tebow also holds the record for yards per completion in a playoff game with over 30. Pretty impressive since he only played in two.

[Reign in Blood]

GOATbow.

[Headhunter]

Have you considered his pass completion percentage is a function of his skill running the ball? Qbs run up high completion percentages in part because they are throwing so many check down passes. For Tebow, those became runs.

I would wager that his yards per completion is very high.

No. I sure didn't, nobody else did either. Those checkdown passes were wounded ducks in the dirt all year, not runs. Take it from someone who watched the team every week. He also had the greatest negative impact as a rushing QB across the NFL, bottom of the league in rushing DYAR for a QB in 2011.

Yards/completion? Why are you cherrypicking from the statistic that actually matters, yards/attempt? Or Adjusted Net Yards/Attempt, that works too. Yards/completion means jack shit.

[Headhunter]

And...sure enough:

Tim Tebow had 13.7 yards per completion in 2011

In 2016, Matt Ryan was league MVP and led the league in that stat with 13.3.

Tim Tebow also holds the record for yards per completion in a playoff game with over 30. Pretty impressive since he only played in two.

Matt Ryan's adjusted net yards/attempt in 2016: 9.03

Tim Tebow's adjusted net yards/attempt in 2011: 4.85


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