are we going to take one example and apply it to the whole? because that could be used against any orientation, race, religion that happens to have members serving in the military. why do you go the straw man angle always?Foo wrote:Bradley/Chelsea Manning was like a shining light!zombie wrote:what bullshit is that? trans soldiers were already serving. thus had already made the grade, apparently.Foo wrote:Nope, sweeping ban. No one has time for the bullshit.zombie wrote:so are you saying that this should be taken at a case by case basis, rather than just a sweeping ban for all trans soldiers and potential trans soldiers alike?Foo wrote:Why try to set it up as an all or nothing? The military is about setting standards, not about exceptions. I have no doubt there are many folks who are legally blind, asthmatic, obese, flat-footed, diabetic, trans, etc. who could be great soldiers, but that is not how the military operates.zombie wrote:does that mean that all gays, or trans since you mentioned gender confused, sexualize children? that was a part of why jason feels they should be kicked out of the military. do you share his stance?Foo wrote:Is it surprising that someone who is gender confused would be more apt to sexualize a child?Headhunter wrote:Above post is cancer lmao what a hateful mess
Right off the bat you are dealing with high rates of mental illness,suicide rates, and general readiness issues with trans people. It is about the best decision for the country, not the best decision for a trans person.
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He claimed to consult with generals and military experts, do you think he was lying?Headhunter wrote:Why don't you ask them? I was not a part of that process.Foo wrote:Why did the military have to do "months of research"?
Are you slowly easing into a "Actually, Trump DOES know more than our military" argument with this question?
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Why the straw man arguments always, Foo? Inquiring minds want to know.
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Re: Why I grew to love the Donald and forgive his haters
He/she/it was a true patriot who I think we are all happy Obama pardoned and is getting gender reassignment on our dime. Hero.zombie wrote:are we going to take one example and apply it to the whole? because that could be used against any orientation, race, religion that happens to have members serving in the military. why do you go the straw man angle always?Foo wrote:Bradley/Chelsea Manning was like a shining light!zombie wrote:what bullshit is that? trans soldiers were already serving. thus had already made the grade, apparently.Foo wrote:Nope, sweeping ban. No one has time for the bullshit.zombie wrote:so are you saying that this should be taken at a case by case basis, rather than just a sweeping ban for all trans soldiers and potential trans soldiers alike?Foo wrote:Why try to set it up as an all or nothing? The military is about setting standards, not about exceptions. I have no doubt there are many folks who are legally blind, asthmatic, obese, flat-footed, diabetic, trans, etc. who could be great soldiers, but that is not how the military operates.zombie wrote:does that mean that all gays, or trans since you mentioned gender confused, sexualize children? that was a part of why jason feels they should be kicked out of the military. do you share his stance?Foo wrote:Is it surprising that someone who is gender confused would be more apt to sexualize a child?Headhunter wrote:Above post is cancer lmao what a hateful mess
Right off the bat you are dealing with high rates of mental illness,suicide rates, and general readiness issues with trans people. It is about the best decision for the country, not the best decision for a trans person.
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I know it makes people happy and I am a pleaser.Headhunter wrote:Why the straw man arguments always, Foo? Inquiring minds want to know.
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One could argue straw man arguments are a form of safe spaces for those who don't want to be challenged in an argument. Very millenial of you, Fooskey.Foo wrote:I know it makes people happy and I am a pleaser.Headhunter wrote:Why the straw man arguments always, Foo? Inquiring minds want to know.
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taxpayers should not be paying for her reassignment surgery. is that the exception or the rule?Foo wrote:He/she/it was a true patriot who I think we are all happy Obama pardoned and is getting gender reassignment on our dime. Hero.zombie wrote:are we going to take one example and apply it to the whole? because that could be used against any orientation, race, religion that happens to have members serving in the military. why do you go the straw man angle always?Foo wrote:Bradley/Chelsea Manning was like a shining light!zombie wrote:what bullshit is that? trans soldiers were already serving. thus had already made the grade, apparently.Foo wrote:Nope, sweeping ban. No one has time for the bullshit.zombie wrote:so are you saying that this should be taken at a case by case basis, rather than just a sweeping ban for all trans soldiers and potential trans soldiers alike?Foo wrote:Why try to set it up as an all or nothing? The military is about setting standards, not about exceptions. I have no doubt there are many folks who are legally blind, asthmatic, obese, flat-footed, diabetic, trans, etc. who could be great soldiers, but that is not how the military operates.zombie wrote:does that mean that all gays, or trans since you mentioned gender confused, sexualize children? that was a part of why jason feels they should be kicked out of the military. do you share his stance?Foo wrote:Is it surprising that someone who is gender confused would be more apt to sexualize a child?Headhunter wrote:Above post is cancer lmao what a hateful mess
Right off the bat you are dealing with high rates of mental illness,suicide rates, and general readiness issues with trans people. It is about the best decision for the country, not the best decision for a trans person.
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Youthful charm.Headhunter wrote:One could argue straw man arguments are a form of safe spaces for those who don't want to be challenged in an argument. Very millenial of you, Fooskey.Foo wrote:I know it makes people happy and I am a pleaser.Headhunter wrote:Why the straw man arguments always, Foo? Inquiring minds want to know.
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I'm sure he consulted with people. Ultimately, that tells us very little. Who did he consult with? What was that process like? We do know about all the high-ranking military personnel who SHOULD HAVE been part of the process and were blindsided by the decision.Foo wrote:He claimed to consult with generals and military experts, do you think he was lying?Headhunter wrote:Why don't you ask them? I was not a part of that process.Foo wrote:Why did the military have to do "months of research"?
Are you slowly easing into a "Actually, Trump DOES know more than our military" argument with this question?
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Chelsea Manning was the only transgender military member, adjust your opinions accordingly.
David Duke was the only Donald Trump supporter, adjust your opinions accordingly.
David Duke was the only Donald Trump supporter, adjust your opinions accordingly.
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Re: Why I grew to love the Donald and forgive his haters
So here is sone truthiness for ya'll:
- tranny surgery covered since 2016
- taxpayers told a lie that costs would be minimal
- liberal media continues to run with the lies
- actual cost is huge
https://www.google.com/amp/amp.dailycal ... ry-budget/
- tranny surgery covered since 2016
- taxpayers told a lie that costs would be minimal
- liberal media continues to run with the lies
- actual cost is huge
https://www.google.com/amp/amp.dailycal ... ry-budget/
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This place can be amazing. Every group is a monolith until it's one you're a part of.
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Jason and I are Trump supporters. You failed.Headhunter wrote:Chelsea Manning was the only transgender military member, adjust your opinions accordingly.
David Duke was the only Donald Trump supporter, adjust your opinions accordingly.
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Nope, every single Trump supporter is in essence, David Duke. Just like every single transgender military member is in essence, Chelsea Manning. Your rules, not mine.Foo wrote:Jason and I are Trump supporters. You failed.Headhunter wrote:Chelsea Manning was the only transgender military member, adjust your opinions accordingly.
David Duke was the only Donald Trump supporter, adjust your opinions accordingly.
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"The parameters, assumptions and source data used in each of the four studies dramatically alters cost calculations, so any estimate should be treated with caution. Due to this variability, Trump’s claim about “tremendous medical costs” is unsubstantiated."Foo wrote:So here is sone truthiness for ya'll:
- tranny surgery covered since 2016
- taxpayers told a lie that costs would be minimal
- liberal media continues to run with the lies
- actual cost is huge
https://www.google.com/amp/amp.dailycal ... ry-budget/
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And? He is in position to get estimates. I don't have to substantiate claims for Crave Eatery decisions either. He can talk to experts, see the folly of trans people serving and correct the course.Headhunter wrote:"The parameters, assumptions and source data used in each of the four studies dramatically alters cost calculations, so any estimate should be treated with caution. Due to this variability, Trump’s claim about “tremendous medical costs” is unsubstantiated."Foo wrote:So here is sone truthiness for ya'll:
- tranny surgery covered since 2016
- taxpayers told a lie that costs would be minimal
- liberal media continues to run with the lies
- actual cost is huge
https://www.google.com/amp/amp.dailycal ... ry-budget/
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if the military is paying for transitions on a widespread basis, that should not be happening.Foo wrote:So here is sone truthiness for ya'll:
- tranny surgery covered since 2016
- taxpayers told a lie that costs would be minimal
- liberal media continues to run with the lies
- actual cost is huge
https://www.google.com/amp/amp.dailycal ... ry-budget/
trans soldiers should not seek military service, for the purpose of receiving transition therapy and surgery on their dime.
the cost of that should not be used as a way to deny trans the right to serve. it should simply no longer be a procedure that is provided by or paid for by the military.
is that the extent of your argument for the ban of trans soldiers?
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I get ya man. I was just seriously curious. I would be if it were Obama or Bush....etc. I haven't had a whole lotta time to stay up with the times lately. You're a busy man too, so I am sure you understand. I have had time to catch up a little on what all is going on the past hour.Foo wrote:Seriously though, have you not noticed that no matter what, that is the response? The narrative is buolt around a desired outcome not the news or the facts.Jmac Attack wrote:You probably read Huffington Post more than I do or ever have. But, I will make sure I keep lookin' per your request. It will be enlightening I am sure!Foo wrote:Make sure you keep refreshing the Huffington Post as they will have the Democrat approved hyper critical response laced with allegations, no matter what.Jmac Attack wrote:So far, no response from Trump on what Putin did today. I am curious how he is gonna react.
If Trump talks tough, it is clearly a smoke screen because Russia won him the election.
If Trump does not talk tough, it is because he doesn't want to upset Putin.
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And nothing. That was a hilariously epic fail on your part.Foo wrote:And? He is in position to get estimates. I don't have to substantiate claims for Crave Eatery decisions either. He can talk to experts, see the folly of trans people serving and correct the course.Headhunter wrote:"The parameters, assumptions and source data used in each of the four studies dramatically alters cost calculations, so any estimate should be treated with caution. Due to this variability, Trump’s claim about “tremendous medical costs” is unsubstantiated."Foo wrote:So here is sone truthiness for ya'll:
- tranny surgery covered since 2016
- taxpayers told a lie that costs would be minimal
- liberal media continues to run with the lies
- actual cost is huge
https://www.google.com/amp/amp.dailycal ... ry-budget/
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Israel has let transgender people serve since 1998 with no regrets.