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Foo wrote:

zombie wrote:

Foo wrote:

zombie wrote:

Headhunter wrote:

zombie wrote:is this still about the cop that trespassed into someone else's house and shot them dead? this discussion feels really weird to me, if so....

Yes.

why not focus on her character, while we're all so quick to judge his? (not you, i know)

We are. The entire situation is being investigated. Her actions in particular. People choosing to laser in on the marijuana because they worship the stuff has nothing to do with the investigation of her actions other than her credibility and intent.

you targeted in on the marijuana. who ever leaked the info targeted in on the marijuana. if it has nothing to do with the investigation or her actions against him, then it means nothing and shouldn't be leaked and shouldn't be held against him, in this case. he smoked weed. she shot him. one does not excuse the other. one did not even lead to the other. let it go.

If he had kiddie porn everywhere, should that be noted?

not in this case. not unless she shot him for reasons other than mistaking his home for her own.

zombie wrote:

Foo wrote:Let's say her apartment is searched and she is in possession of the remainder of this guy's weed stash? Was the weed in his apartment relevant?

If the cop had lines of cocaine on her kitchen table, would that be relevant?

Everything matters at this point. Character matters because of facts in dispute and intent.

what facts are in dispute? is it in dispute that it was his home she trespassed into? is it in dispute that the given reason was mistaking his home for her own? what drugs he happened to do is irrelevant to this case, altogether.

This might blow your mind, but there are different levels of homocide. Her version would appear to downplay intent. Do you want the investigation to end there? Or do you want to try to discover what happened so she can be charged and prosecuted based on her crime?

The dispute is not that she killed him. The dispute is intent.

zombie wrote:

Foo wrote:

zombie wrote:

Foo wrote:

zombie wrote:

Headhunter wrote:

zombie wrote:is this still about the cop that trespassed into someone else's house and shot them dead? this discussion feels really weird to me, if so....

Yes.

why not focus on her character, while we're all so quick to judge his? (not you, i know)

We are. The entire situation is being investigated. Her actions in particular. People choosing to laser in on the marijuana because they worship the stuff has nothing to do with the investigation of her actions other than her credibility and intent.

you targeted in on the marijuana. who ever leaked the info targeted in on the marijuana. if it has nothing to do with the investigation or her actions against him, then it means nothing and shouldn't be leaked and shouldn't be held against him, in this case. he smoked weed. she shot him. one does not excuse the other. one did not even lead to the other. let it go.

If he had kiddie porn everywhere, should that be noted?

not in this case. not unless she shot him for reasons other than mistaking his home for her own.

Ok cool, so any time we discover kiddie porn or other crimes we don't bother noting it. In fact, we don't even investigate to discover the truth. All crimes are the same so intent doesn't matter. Killing someone trying to break into your home is exactly the same as executing someone because they are black. Amazing system.

Foo wrote:

zombie wrote:

Foo wrote:Let's say her apartment is searched and she is in possession of the remainder of this guy's weed stash? Was the weed in his apartment relevant?

If the cop had lines of cocaine on her kitchen table, would that be relevant?

Everything matters at this point. Character matters because of facts in dispute and intent.

what facts are in dispute? is it in dispute that it was his home she trespassed into? is it in dispute that the given reason was mistaking his home for her own? what drugs he happened to do is irrelevant to this case, altogether.

This might blow your mind, but there are different levels of homocide. Her version would appear to downplay intent. Do you want the investigation to end there? Or do you want to try to discover what happened so she can be charged and prosecuted based on her crime?

The dispute is not that she killed him. The dispute is intent.

i thought her version was that she was tired and killed him thinking he was an intruder in her home, and not someone in his own home?

i am completely aware that intent on her part matters in the ruling. whether he smoked pot or kicked puppies or enslaved jews does not matter to the ruling.

"Not in this case"

The legal precedent where we do not discover facts because we know everything based on some half ass news reports and police statements. Welcome to the jungle.

Foo wrote:
Ok cool, so any time we discover kiddie porn or other crimes we don't bother noting it. In fact, we don't even investigate to discover the truth. All crimes are the same so intent doesn't matter. Killing someone trying to break into your home is exactly the same as executing someone because they are black. Amazing system.

go back through my posts. did i mention race at all? did i say her intent doesn't matter? did i even mention what the punishment should be?

so, maybe he committed other crimes, did she trespass into his home mistaking it for hers, or did she trespass to arrest him for those crimes?

Foo wrote:"Not in this case"

The legal precedent where we do not discover facts because we know everything based on some half ass news reports and police statements. Welcome to the jungle.

you're being ridiculous. unless her intent was not shooting an intruder in her home. what other crimes he may have done, does not in any way play into what she did to him.

I find the "character" stuff incredibly disingenuous. I remember Foo calling George Zimmerman a great neighbor who he would want to live in his neighborhood. Since then, Zimmerman has proven to be a deranged psychopath with multiple incidents on record of threatening/stalking people, being publicly racist and abusing women. Some of the domestic abuse stuff was on record before the shooting. There was no issue of credibility or character there, though...

Headhunter wrote:I find the "character" stuff incredibly disingenuous. I remember Foo calling George Zimmerman a great neighbor who he would want to live in his neighborhood. Since then, Zimmerman has proven to be a deranged psychopath with multiple incidents on record of threatening/stalking people, being publicly racist and abusing women. Some of the domestic abuse stuff was on record before the shooting. There was no issue of credibility or character there, though...

So if he was a bad guy, that excuses Trayvon from jumping him and bashing his head into the ground?

Does character matter or not?

Foo wrote:

Headhunter wrote:I find the "character" stuff incredibly disingenuous. I remember Foo calling George Zimmerman a great neighbor who he would want to live in his neighborhood. Since then, Zimmerman has proven to be a deranged psychopath with multiple incidents on record of threatening/stalking people, being publicly racist and abusing women. Some of the domestic abuse stuff was on record before the shooting. There was no issue of credibility or character there, though...

So if he was a bad guy, that excuses Trayvon from jumping him and bashing his head into the ground?

Does character matter or not?

character matters. it's just irrelevant in this case, unless her intent was not to shoot a random intruder in her home.

zombie wrote:

Foo wrote:"Not in this case"

The legal precedent where we do not discover facts because we know everything based on some half ass news reports and police statements. Welcome to the jungle.

you're being ridiculous. unless her intent was not shooting an intruder in her home. what other crimes he may have done, does not in any way play into what she did to him.

Do you know everything she has alleged? You honestly believe police should not report a crime simply because another crime occurred?

A rapist is shot. Let's ignore the crime he was committing and focus on the thing we can play racial politics with?

Odds are his weed has nothing to do with her crime. Doesn't mean it does not get documented for a variety of reasons.

Character of the shooter might in this case. Character of the deceased does not, given they died.

When some kiddie porn king is shot in the head, just send the pork to his next of kin. We have bigger fish to fry!

Foo wrote:
Do you know everything she has alleged? You honestly believe police should not report a crime simply because another crime occurred?

A rapist is shot. Let's ignore the crime he was committing and focus on the thing we can play racial politics with?

Odds are his weed has nothing to do with her crime. Doesn't mean it does not get documented for a variety of reasons.

i want to know what she's alleging? i want to know if her intent was not just shooting an intruder in her home? l want to know if she meant to arrest him or some other thing that would make your argument fit?

i am not playing racial politics, but you are. the police can document his crime. it just shouldn't be leaked to the public and it should not play into the ruling on this case.

Foo wrote:When some kiddie porn king is shot in the head, just send the pork to his next of kin. We have bigger fish to fry!

you are being ridiculous, again.

Even if they had kiddie porn that’s literally not a thing in these circumstances.

If you think it's a coincidence that in all these cases, anything that can be used to smear the character of victims always finds its way to the public, you're not paying close enough attention.

Police culture in the U.S. is so toxic it's unbelievable. And that's still only a small piece of the puzzle.

Indeed. ACAB.

Jigsaw wrote:Indeed. ACAB.

this is too far.

The cops in Prague are pretty damn polite, friendly and mostly unoccupied.

It's a real shock to the system when you first interact with one. Just regular people doing a job. The sad thing is the Czechs tend to really disrespect them. I have seen people yelling at cops on the street and have been told by students that it's a regular occurrence for people to talk shit to them when they get pulled over. These people don't have a clue how good they have it sometimes. Especially the young people here who didn't live through or can't remember what it was like under Soviet rule, they have no perspective.