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Reign in Blood wrote:I'm sorry, this is bad parenting. A dude holds you down, wants to take off your clothes and touch your naughty bits, whatever, you call that shit out when it happened immediately. You don't wait 30+ fucking years with a faulty mind and shaky accusations to do so. Done. Next issue.

Hold That Tiger?

Yup. We never bury things that make us uncomfortable or feel ashamed of.

showa58taro wrote:

Reign in Blood wrote:

showa58taro wrote:Statistically speaking, the level of unreported rapes and sexual assaults massively dwarfs the false accusations. Massively.

If they're unreported/untold, where are you getting the numbers?

Unreported =/= untold. Report suggests to authorities. It’s not an exact science, but there is a lot of research on the subject.

Ya know, fair enough with that, I linked zombs to a sickening story that was told but left by the wayside because of fucked-ness.

Reign in Blood wrote:

showa58taro wrote:

Reign in Blood wrote:

showa58taro wrote:Statistically speaking, the level of unreported rapes and sexual assaults massively dwarfs the false accusations. Massively.

If they're unreported/untold, where are you getting the numbers?

Unreported =/= untold. Report suggests to authorities. It’s not an exact science, but there is a lot of research on the subject.

Ya know, fair enough with that, I linked zombs to a sickening story that was told but left by the wayside because of fucked-ness.

There’s awful stories in both directions. There’s some awful stories. The hashtag #WhyIDidntReport is awful to read on Twitter. So many horror stories.

showa58taro wrote:

Reign in Blood wrote:I'm sorry, this is bad parenting. A dude holds you down, wants to take off your clothes and touch your naughty bits, whatever, you call that shit out when it happened immediately. You don't wait 30+ fucking years with a faulty mind and shaky accusations to do so. Done. Next issue.

Hold That Tiger?

Yup. We never bury things that make us uncomfortable or feel ashamed of.

Seb, do you make a global spectacle of things that made you uncomfortable or that you're ashamed of?

Will share another story. Had a caregiver for my aunt who stole from me. I discovered not only that she was taking money to watch her and then leaving, but she also stole cash and watches. Cash was probably a couple hundred and retail value on the watches was maybe $2k.

Because I had no evidence of the thefts but only that she was not watching my aunt, I let her go. It was a pointless endeavor to go to the police or slander her throughout the community because I had not evidence. Sometimes people are wronged and get no recourse because they lack evidence. The alternative is witch trials.

Reign in Blood wrote:I'm sorry, this is bad parenting. A dude holds you down, wants to take off your clothes and touch your naughty bits, whatever, you call that shit out when it happened immediately. You don't wait 30+ fucking years with a faulty mind and shaky accusations to do so. Done. Next issue.

Hold That Tiger?

Reign in Blood wrote:

showa58taro wrote:

Reign in Blood wrote:I'm sorry, this is bad parenting. A dude holds you down, wants to take off your clothes and touch your naughty bits, whatever, you call that shit out when it happened immediately. You don't wait 30+ fucking years with a faulty mind and shaky accusations to do so. Done. Next issue.

Hold That Tiger?

Yup. We never bury things that make us uncomfortable or feel ashamed of.

Seb, do you make a global spectacle of things that made you uncomfortable or that you're ashamed of?

Nothing ever happened to me that bore this much on me. But when would you speak up if you hadn’t nearly on. Randomly, or when it mattered and the injustice felt the most accute.

showa58taro wrote:

Reign in Blood wrote:

showa58taro wrote:

Reign in Blood wrote:I'm sorry, this is bad parenting. A dude holds you down, wants to take off your clothes and touch your naughty bits, whatever, you call that shit out when it happened immediately. You don't wait 30+ fucking years with a faulty mind and shaky accusations to do so. Done. Next issue.

Hold That Tiger?

Yup. We never bury things that make us uncomfortable or feel ashamed of.

Seb, do you make a global spectacle of things that made you uncomfortable or that you're ashamed of?

Nothing ever happened to me that bore this much on me. But when would you speak up if you hadn’t nearly on. Randomly, or when it mattered and the injustice felt the most accute.

But it certainly, all of the sudden, happened on every fucking women in the god damn world.

Hold That Tiger! Hit me again, Headward!

Reign in Blood wrote:

showa58taro wrote:

Reign in Blood wrote:

showa58taro wrote:

Reign in Blood wrote:I'm sorry, this is bad parenting. A dude holds you down, wants to take off your clothes and touch your naughty bits, whatever, you call that shit out when it happened immediately. You don't wait 30+ fucking years with a faulty mind and shaky accusations to do so. Done. Next issue.

Hold That Tiger?

Yup. We never bury things that make us uncomfortable or feel ashamed of.

Seb, do you make a global spectacle of things that made you uncomfortable or that you're ashamed of?

Nothing ever happened to me that bore this much on me. But when would you speak up if you hadn’t nearly on. Randomly, or when it mattered and the injustice felt the most accute.

But it certainly, all of the sudden, happened on every fucking women in the god damn world.

Hold That Tiger! Hit me again, Headward!

The story here is that rape and sexual assault is way more prevalent than we as men perceive and are aware of.

In 6th grade, there was a male teacher that would uncomfortably rub my shoulders a lot. That's the closest I've got. There were plenty of witnesses though, I mean I was mocked for it for cryin' out loud.

Hold that tiger!

What I find interesting, is where are the accusations on major musicians? Not talking the R. Kelly's or some shit that are known scum. From the 60's and beyond, you know the groupies and shiz were treated like crap, and modern rappers to their groupies etc. How wrestlers treated ring rats, and even fellow women wrestlers is known lore. That penny hasn't dropped.

Foo wrote:Will share another story. Had a caregiver for my aunt who stole from me. I discovered not only that she was taking money to watch her and then leaving, but she also stole cash and watches. Cash was probably a couple hundred and retail value on the watches was maybe $2k.

Because I had no evidence of the thefts but only that she was not watching my aunt, I let her go. It was a pointless endeavor to go to the police or slander her throughout the community because I had not evidence. Sometimes people are wronged and get no recourse because they lack evidence. The alternative is witch trials.

no one here is advocating witch hunts or witch trials. but so you came forward and ultimately couldn't prove it. does that mean that we should start to doubt and question anyone else who comes forward with an accusation of theft? or should we leave it to the authorities to investigate and err on the side of believing that they were wronged or violated, as friends/family without pointing fingers at the accused (until it's proven or dis-proven)?

Jmac Attack wrote:I was molested when I was 6 years old. I told you guys about this a few years ago. You guys are the only people I've ever told. Dude was a pastor. Very well respected guy. Did it not happen because I was too ashamed to tell anyone? Including family.

The guy was eventually killed by a kid he was molesting. It was kept all hush hush.

Obviously your case is legitimate, but there is an epidemic of disgusting human beings (mostly women) who jump at the opportunity in a heartbeat to ruin the life of someone because they have a chance at a decent pay day even though it was all consensual or it never even fucking happened at all. They are just as bad as the rapists.

Reign in Blood wrote:What I find interesting, is where are the accusations on major musicians? Not talking the R. Kelly's or some shit that are known scum. From the 60's and beyond, you know the groupies and shiz were treated like crap, and modern rappers to their groupies etc. How wrestlers treated ring rats, and even fellow women wrestlers is known lore. That penny hasn't dropped.

Nobody wants to outlaw lascivious behavior. There’s every chance done shady shit exists, but also some of it is pure consensual stuff.

zombie wrote:

Foo wrote:Will share another story. Had a caregiver for my aunt who stole from me. I discovered not only that she was taking money to watch her and then leaving, but she also stole cash and watches. Cash was probably a couple hundred and retail value on the watches was maybe $2k.

Because I had no evidence of the thefts but only that she was not watching my aunt, I let her go. It was a pointless endeavor to go to the police or slander her throughout the community because I had not evidence. Sometimes people are wronged and get no recourse because they lack evidence. The alternative is witch trials.

no one here is advocating witch hunts or witch trials. but so you came forward and ultimately couldn't prove it. does that mean that we should start to doubt and question anyone else who comes forward with an accusation of theft? or should we leave it to the authorities to investigate and err on the side of believing that they were wronged or violated, as friends/family without pointing fingers at the accused (until it's proven or dis-proven)?

I am saying that without evidence, people can get away with things, and that is just part of the system. It is a very dangerous precedent we are setting by prosecuting without evidence.

Foo wrote:

zombie wrote:

Foo wrote:Will share another story. Had a caregiver for my aunt who stole from me. I discovered not only that she was taking money to watch her and then leaving, but she also stole cash and watches. Cash was probably a couple hundred and retail value on the watches was maybe $2k.

Because I had no evidence of the thefts but only that she was not watching my aunt, I let her go. It was a pointless endeavor to go to the police or slander her throughout the community because I had not evidence. Sometimes people are wronged and get no recourse because they lack evidence. The alternative is witch trials.

no one here is advocating witch hunts or witch trials. but so you came forward and ultimately couldn't prove it. does that mean that we should start to doubt and question anyone else who comes forward with an accusation of theft? or should we leave it to the authorities to investigate and err on the side of believing that they were wronged or violated, as friends/family without pointing fingers at the accused (until it's proven or dis-proven)?

I am saying that without evidence, people can get away with things, and that is just part of the system. It is a very dangerous precedent we are setting by prosecuting without evidence.

The consequences for most of this has been private, not prosecutions.

showa58taro wrote:

Reign in Blood wrote:I'm sorry, this is bad parenting. A dude holds you down, wants to take off your clothes and touch your naughty bits, whatever, you call that shit out when it happened immediately. You don't wait 30+ fucking years with a faulty mind and shaky accusations to do so. Done. Next issue.

Hold That Tiger?

Yup. We never bury things that make us uncomfortable or feel ashamed of.

When money is involved, the timing becomes impeccable!

Jason wrote:

showa58taro wrote:

Reign in Blood wrote:I'm sorry, this is bad parenting. A dude holds you down, wants to take off your clothes and touch your naughty bits, whatever, you call that shit out when it happened immediately. You don't wait 30+ fucking years with a faulty mind and shaky accusations to do so. Done. Next issue.

Hold That Tiger?

Yup. We never bury things that make us uncomfortable or feel ashamed of.

When money is involved, the timing becomes impeccable!

In this case, what money? There’s no money here.

Reign in Blood wrote:What I find interesting, is where are the accusations on major musicians? Not talking the R. Kelly's or some shit that are known scum. From the 60's and beyond, you know the groupies and shiz were treated like crap, and modern rappers to their groupies etc. How wrestlers treated ring rats, and even fellow women wrestlers is known lore. That penny hasn't dropped.

I've seen memes being made dragging Elvis and Steven Tyler through the mud as pedophile groomers.