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Re: Untangling Harvey Weinstein

Posted: Mon Oct 09, 2017 1:53 am
by showa58taro
Foo wrote:Prostitution is about as consensual as slavery.
Not always.

Re: Untangling Harvey Weinstein

Posted: Mon Oct 09, 2017 9:15 am
by Foo
showa58taro wrote:
Foo wrote:Prostitution is about as consensual as slavery.
Not always.
Yeah, always. It is an incredibly demeaning way to make money.

Re: Untangling Harvey Weinstein

Posted: Mon Oct 09, 2017 11:38 am
by zombie
slavery isn't a choice, otherwise it would be called volunteering or something. when prostitution isn't a choice, it's rape.

Re: Untangling Harvey Weinstein

Posted: Mon Oct 09, 2017 12:46 pm
by showa58taro
Foo wrote:
showa58taro wrote:
Foo wrote:Prostitution is about as consensual as slavery.
Not always.
Yeah, always. It is an incredibly demeaning way to make money.
See Netherlands

Re: Untangling Harvey Weinstein

Posted: Mon Oct 09, 2017 1:04 pm
by Foo
showa58taro wrote:
Foo wrote:
showa58taro wrote:
Foo wrote:Prostitution is about as consensual as slavery.
Not always.
Yeah, always. It is an incredibly demeaning way to make money.
See Netherlands
Yeah, those people are super rapey. Would want no part of that disgusting culture.

Re: Untangling Harvey Weinstein

Posted: Mon Oct 09, 2017 1:06 pm
by Foo
zombie wrote:slavery isn't a choice, otherwise it would be called volunteering or something. when prostitution isn't a choice, it's rape.
How many prostitutes do you think are really doing it by choice? Molested, drug addicted, and unemployable being used as cum dumpsters by men with no soul. It is a tragedy, every single time.

Re: Untangling Harvey Weinstein

Posted: Mon Oct 09, 2017 1:12 pm
by showa58taro
Foo wrote:
showa58taro wrote:
Foo wrote:
showa58taro wrote:
Foo wrote:Prostitution is about as consensual as slavery.
Not always.
Yeah, always. It is an incredibly demeaning way to make money.
See Netherlands
Yeah, those people are super rapey. Would want no part of that disgusting culture.
But it is regulated and well established, removing a lot of the underground aspect. So it does address your idea of it being slavery.

Re: Untangling Harvey Weinstein

Posted: Mon Oct 09, 2017 1:19 pm
by zombie
Foo wrote:
zombie wrote:slavery isn't a choice, otherwise it would be called volunteering or something. when prostitution isn't a choice, it's rape.
How many prostitutes do you think are really doing it by choice? Molested, drug addicted, and unemployable being used as cum dumpsters by men with no soul. It is a tragedy, every single time.
i don't know how many. i do think that some are though. when / if they're molested and drug addicted, that is a tragedy. if they are unemployable, that is a problem with society, not with prostitution. but prostitution is a profession. if there are harmful, tragic elements to the job, then that should be cracked down on. forcing drug addiction, and molesting an employee should be illegal, and not given a pass just because prostitution is also seen as illegal. i think a lot of the tragedy is that prostitutes are deemed not worth helping, because they do it to themselves or whatever. it's one of the few instances where blaming the victim is deemed to be okay, largely. and that sucks.

Re: Untangling Harvey Weinstein

Posted: Mon Oct 09, 2017 1:44 pm
by Jigsaw
I know plenty of feminists who are pro-prostitution, such as myself. If it's regulated, I see zero issue with it. Calling all prostitution "rape" and calling it a demeaning way to make money, which is purely opinion, strikes me as idiotic, but then again, most political conversations seem to go that way with some of the people here.

Re: Untangling Harvey Weinstein

Posted: Mon Oct 09, 2017 2:05 pm
by Foo
Jigsaw wrote:I know plenty of feminists who are pro-prostitution, such as myself. If it's regulated, I see zero issue with it. Calling all prostitution "rape" and calling it a demeaning way to make money, which is purely opinion, strikes me as idiotic, but then again, most political conversations seem to go that way with some of the people here.
You are not really a feminist if you think it is ok to use a victim of abuse as a cum dumpster for your own gratification. Those girls are victims in need of help, not sexual exploitation.

None of them want to be in that situation. Think for a moment how desperate and low you would have to be in life to allow yourself to be penetrated sexually and risk disease by some stranger. That is where those people are.

Re: Untangling Harvey Weinstein

Posted: Mon Oct 09, 2017 2:06 pm
by Foo
zombie wrote:
Foo wrote:
zombie wrote:slavery isn't a choice, otherwise it would be called volunteering or something. when prostitution isn't a choice, it's rape.
How many prostitutes do you think are really doing it by choice? Molested, drug addicted, and unemployable being used as cum dumpsters by men with no soul. It is a tragedy, every single time.
i don't know how many. i do think that some are though. when / if they're molested and drug addicted, that is a tragedy. if they are unemployable, that is a problem with society, not with prostitution. but prostitution is a profession. if there are harmful, tragic elements to the job, then that should be cracked down on. forcing drug addiction, and molesting an employee should be illegal, and not given a pass just because prostitution is also seen as illegal. i think a lot of the tragedy is that prostitutes are deemed not worth helping, because they do it to themselves or whatever. it's one of the few instances where blaming the victim is deemed to be okay, largely. and that sucks.
Is rape victim also a profession? You really think sucking dicks is a valid career?

Re: Untangling Harvey Weinstein

Posted: Mon Oct 09, 2017 2:07 pm
by Foo
showa58taro wrote:
Foo wrote:
showa58taro wrote:
Foo wrote:
showa58taro wrote:
Foo wrote:Prostitution is about as consensual as slavery.
Not always.
Yeah, always. It is an incredibly demeaning way to make money.
See Netherlands
Yeah, those people are super rapey. Would want no part of that disgusting culture.
But it is regulated and well established, removing a lot of the underground aspect. So it does address your idea of it being slavery.
Legality changes little. It is a moral problem.

Re: Untangling Harvey Weinstein

Posted: Mon Oct 09, 2017 2:14 pm
by zombie
Foo wrote:
zombie wrote:
Foo wrote:
zombie wrote:slavery isn't a choice, otherwise it would be called volunteering or something. when prostitution isn't a choice, it's rape.
How many prostitutes do you think are really doing it by choice? Molested, drug addicted, and unemployable being used as cum dumpsters by men with no soul. It is a tragedy, every single time.
i don't know how many. i do think that some are though. when / if they're molested and drug addicted, that is a tragedy. if they are unemployable, that is a problem with society, not with prostitution. but prostitution is a profession. if there are harmful, tragic elements to the job, then that should be cracked down on. forcing drug addiction, and molesting an employee should be illegal, and not given a pass just because prostitution is also seen as illegal. i think a lot of the tragedy is that prostitutes are deemed not worth helping, because they do it to themselves or whatever. it's one of the few instances where blaming the victim is deemed to be okay, largely. and that sucks.
Is rape victim also a profession? You really think sucking dicks is a valid career?
no, rape victim is not a profession. i think that prostitution is a profession. and that it can be done more safely and with less abuse (or no abuse, preferably). i don't know how to determine validity. it's not something that i would willingly choose, but that's not to say that others wouldn't, and don't.

Re: Untangling Harvey Weinstein

Posted: Mon Oct 09, 2017 2:15 pm
by Foo
zombie wrote:
Foo wrote:
zombie wrote:
Foo wrote:
zombie wrote:slavery isn't a choice, otherwise it would be called volunteering or something. when prostitution isn't a choice, it's rape.
How many prostitutes do you think are really doing it by choice? Molested, drug addicted, and unemployable being used as cum dumpsters by men with no soul. It is a tragedy, every single time.
i don't know how many. i do think that some are though. when / if they're molested and drug addicted, that is a tragedy. if they are unemployable, that is a problem with society, not with prostitution. but prostitution is a profession. if there are harmful, tragic elements to the job, then that should be cracked down on. forcing drug addiction, and molesting an employee should be illegal, and not given a pass just because prostitution is also seen as illegal. i think a lot of the tragedy is that prostitutes are deemed not worth helping, because they do it to themselves or whatever. it's one of the few instances where blaming the victim is deemed to be okay, largely. and that sucks.
Is rape victim also a profession? You really think sucking dicks is a valid career?
no, rape victim is not a profession. i think that prostitution is a profession. and that it can be done more safely and with less abuse (or no abuse, preferably). i don't know how to determine validity. it's not something that i would willingly choose, but that's not to say that others wouldn't, and don't.
What would you say if your daughter or sister stated they would like to be a prostitute when they grow up?

Re: Untangling Harvey Weinstein

Posted: Mon Oct 09, 2017 2:19 pm
by zombie
Foo wrote: What would you say if your daughter or sister stated they would like to be a prostitute when they grow up?
i would encourage them not to. tell them the risks. encourage something else that satisfied whatever reason that they felt like choosing that.

Re: Untangling Harvey Weinstein

Posted: Mon Oct 09, 2017 2:23 pm
by Tiggnutz
zombie wrote:
Foo wrote: What would you say if your daughter or sister stated they would like to be a prostitute when they grow up?
i would encourage them not to. tell them the risks. encourage something else that satisfied whatever reason that they felt like choosing that.
Same as getting into porn I guess

Re: Untangling Harvey Weinstein

Posted: Mon Oct 09, 2017 2:24 pm
by zombie
Tiggnutz wrote:
zombie wrote:
Foo wrote: What would you say if your daughter or sister stated they would like to be a prostitute when they grow up?
i would encourage them not to. tell them the risks. encourage something else that satisfied whatever reason that they felt like choosing that.
Same as getting into porn I guess
i would also encourage something else that satisfied that. :P

Re: Untangling Harvey Weinstein

Posted: Mon Oct 09, 2017 2:26 pm
by Foo
zombie wrote:
Foo wrote: What would you say if your daughter or sister stated they would like to be a prostitute when they grow up?
i would encourage them not to. tell them the risks. encourage something else that satisfied whatever reason that they felt like choosing that.
So, what professions would you say you would prefer prostitution over? In other words, would you rather them be taking cum shots from a stranger a few times a day or working at Walmart?

Re: Untangling Harvey Weinstein

Posted: Mon Oct 09, 2017 2:28 pm
by zombie
Foo wrote:
zombie wrote:
Foo wrote: What would you say if your daughter or sister stated they would like to be a prostitute when they grow up?
i would encourage them not to. tell them the risks. encourage something else that satisfied whatever reason that they felt like choosing that.
So, what professions would you say you would prefer prostitution over? In other words, would you rather them be taking cum shots from a stranger a few times a day or working at Walmart?
yes, i would prefer them working retail. but that likely would do nothing to quell whatever they wanted in choosing prostitution as a profession. maybe acting, modeling. i don't know.

Re: Untangling Harvey Weinstein

Posted: Mon Oct 09, 2017 2:38 pm
by showa58taro
Foo wrote:
showa58taro wrote:
Foo wrote:
showa58taro wrote:
Foo wrote:
showa58taro wrote:
Foo wrote:Prostitution is about as consensual as slavery.
Not always.
Yeah, always. It is an incredibly demeaning way to make money.
See Netherlands
Yeah, those people are super rapey. Would want no part of that disgusting culture.
But it is regulated and well established, removing a lot of the underground aspect. So it does address your idea of it being slavery.
Legality changes little. It is a moral problem.
Changes everything if your saying it’s skavery and using the worst stereotypes to propagate it. If your point is that you find it immoral then that’s fine. But that wasn’t your original point.