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zombie wrote:if we wanna discuss something other than mocking me all over the place, that would be cool. :P
Every time you smite poor Gwyneth, I will screen Bounce and the Pallbearer, so we will suffer indignity together.
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zombie wrote:if we wanna discuss something other than mocking me all over the place, that would be cool. :P
Every time you smite poor Gwyneth, I will screen Bounce and the Pallbearer, so we will suffer indignity together.
Zombie can be so heartless.
I thought his heart had maybe stripes of dark, shades of black even. I didn't know it was pitch. :cry:
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Ribbing our beloved Zombie aside, anybody else think its interesting that Gwyneth's next high profile relationship was with a Weinstein made boy in Affleck, who knew of various transgressions. Illuminati shit of "I'll make you two stars, fuck like bunnies while I jerk my chub to it, get in front of the media cameras and smile like a radiant couple, and shut your fucking mouths". Hey, they both got Oscars under Harvey, I'd bet on it.
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Reign in Blood wrote:Ribbing our beloved Zombie aside, anybody else think its interesting that Gwyneth's next high profile relationship was with a Weinstein made boy in Affleck, who knew of various transgressions. Illuminati shit of "I'll make you two stars, fuck like bunnies while I jerk my chub to it, get in front of the media cameras and smile like a radiant couple, and shut your fucking mouths". Hey, they both got Oscars under Harvey, I'd bet on it.
so, weinstein played voyeur to affleck and paltrow essentially? i could see that, but i don't think it would be something they agreed to. if it was done, he did in private more than likely. i don't think they let him watch them fuck or anything. :P
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Reign in Blood wrote:Ribbing our beloved Zombie aside, anybody else think its interesting that Gwyneth's next high profile relationship was with a Weinstein made boy in Affleck, who knew of various transgressions. Illuminati shit of "I'll make you two stars, fuck like bunnies while I jerk my chub to it, get in front of the media cameras and smile like a radiant couple, and shut your fucking mouths". Hey, they both got Oscars under Harvey, I'd bet on it.
so, weinstein played voyeur to affleck and paltrow essentially? i could see that, but i don't think it would be something they agreed to. if it was done, he did in private more than likely. i don't think they let him watch them fuck or anything. :P
Forget the documented voyeur. In private, I'd agree. What if it was just forget/shut up to anything you've seen.
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Reign in Blood wrote:
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Reign in Blood wrote:Ribbing our beloved Zombie aside, anybody else think its interesting that Gwyneth's next high profile relationship was with a Weinstein made boy in Affleck, who knew of various transgressions. Illuminati shit of "I'll make you two stars, fuck like bunnies while I jerk my chub to it, get in front of the media cameras and smile like a radiant couple, and shut your fucking mouths". Hey, they both got Oscars under Harvey, I'd bet on it.
so, weinstein played voyeur to affleck and paltrow essentially? i could see that, but i don't think it would be something they agreed to. if it was done, he did in private more than likely. i don't think they let him watch them fuck or anything. :P
Forget the documented voyeur. In private, I'd agree. What if it was just forget/shut up to anything you've seen.
yeah, supposedly matt damon and russell crowe told someone to shut up on behalf of weinstein. so i guess he could pressure affleck and paltrow to shut up and look the other way. it's possible, for sure.

i think that a lot of the silence for anyone that knew something or saw something is because it's not their place. if the victim isn't coming out and naming names, telling how they were abused and by who, then that person who knows some kind of incident, is not likely to come forward and tell that victim's story. it's their story to tell. it's their victimization.
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Let it be noted, the reason for the severity of Hollywood's reaction is not because of the child molestation, it is because Spacey reaffirmed the link between homosexuality and pedofilia.
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Foo wrote:Let it be noted, the reason for the severity of Hollywood's reaction is not because of the child molestation, it is because Spacey reaffirmed the link between homosexuality and pedofilia.
he was explaining why he was allegedly with a male, underage or not. the two things are not linked inextricably. you can have pedophilia without having homosexuality. you can have homosexuality without having pedophilia.
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i hope that feldman can get the protection and support that he's looking for, and that he deserves to have for trying to come out.
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zombie wrote:
Foo wrote:Let it be noted, the reason for the severity of Hollywood's reaction is not because of the child molestation, it is because Spacey reaffirmed the link between homosexuality and pedofilia.
he was explaining why he was allegedly with a male, underage or not. the two things are not linked inextricably. you can have pedophilia without having homosexuality. you can have homosexuality without having pedophilia.
Homosexuals are FAR more likely to molest. It is an inconvenient truth gay advocates try to hide at all costs.
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Foo wrote:
zombie wrote:
Foo wrote:Let it be noted, the reason for the severity of Hollywood's reaction is not because of the child molestation, it is because Spacey reaffirmed the link between homosexuality and pedofilia.
he was explaining why he was allegedly with a male, underage or not. the two things are not linked inextricably. you can have pedophilia without having homosexuality. you can have homosexuality without having pedophilia.
Homosexuals are FAR more likely to molest. It is an inconvenient truth gay advocates try to hide at all costs.
pedophilia shouldn't be covered for, and it also shouldn't be assumed to be something lurking in all homosexuals.
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with this whole issue, i think that a lot more transparency needs to happen. and for that to happen, there needs to be a sense of safety for the victim. that doesn't seem to be the case a lot of the time. again, matt demon and russel crowe allegedly worked actively against that. i'm sure they are not the only ones too. corey feldman is afraid for his life, in potentially coming forward, as the most extreme example. i think that the cesspool (as foo puts it) can be cleaned up, but it won't as long as people in power can dodge accountability for things.

and some people do manipulate or lie about a situation to make themselves appear to be the victim. those people need to be called out too, so that it doesn't become turned against people who are actual victims. i don't know how to do that. but i don't think that it should be looking to blame the victim for actions taken against them. if someone is beaten, they don't get blamed for not wearing a helmet or pads or carrying a weapon. whatever. don't jump to just blaming the victim, out of reflex.

and some people don't intend to cause harm. they take things too far, or overstep, or think some kind of attraction is there, when it's not. a big part of hollywood (and of any industry involving public figures and celebrity status and such) is appearance and image and sex appeal, so there is always going to be that risk. and when it happens, innocently or at least not maliciously, not manipulative or abusive, then that should be discussed between the people involved and apologized for and made amends for, if possible.

it should not be covered up, or swept under the rug, or made excuses for. people shouldn't be pressured to come forward before they are ready. people shouldn't just automatically be seen as asking for it, in whatever way. and people shouldn't be ruined for coming forward, or even for being falsely accused.

i don't have all of the answers for how to clean things up, but i do think that it can be done. and i think that it can be done without destroying or killing the industry.
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zombie wrote:
Foo wrote:
zombie wrote:
Foo wrote:Let it be noted, the reason for the severity of Hollywood's reaction is not because of the child molestation, it is because Spacey reaffirmed the link between homosexuality and pedofilia.
he was explaining why he was allegedly with a male, underage or not. the two things are not linked inextricably. you can have pedophilia without having homosexuality. you can have homosexuality without having pedophilia.
Homosexuals are FAR more likely to molest. It is an inconvenient truth gay advocates try to hide at all costs.
pedophilia shouldn't be covered for, and it also shouldn't be assumed to be something lurking in all homosexuals.
Maybe we should acknowledge the homosexual link to pedofilia so we can get people help and recognize warning signs rather than continue the lies that there is no connection.
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zombie wrote:with this whole issue, i think that a lot more transparency needs to happen. and for that to happen, there needs to be a sense of safety for the victim. that doesn't seem to be the case a lot of the time. again, matt demon and russel crowe allegedly worked actively against that. i'm sure they are not the only ones too. corey feldman is afraid for his life, in potentially coming forward, as the most extreme example. i think that the cesspool (as foo puts it) can be cleaned up, but it won't as long as people in power can dodge accountability for things.

and some people do manipulate or lie about a situation to make themselves appear to be the victim. those people need to be called out too, so that it doesn't become turned against people who are actual victims. i don't know how to do that. but i don't think that it should be looking to blame the victim for actions taken against them. if someone is beaten, they don't get blamed for not wearing a helmet or pads or carrying a weapon. whatever. don't jump to just blaming the victim, out of reflex.

and some people don't intend to cause harm. they take things too far, or overstep, or think some kind of attraction is there, when it's not. a big part of hollywood (and of any industry involving public figures and celebrity status and such) is appearance and image and sex appeal, so there is always going to be that risk. and when it happens, innocently or at least not maliciously, not manipulative or abusive, then that should be discussed between the people involved and apologized for and made amends for, if possible.

it should not be covered up, or swept under the rug, or made excuses for. people shouldn't be pressured to come forward before they are ready. people shouldn't just automatically be seen as asking for it, in whatever way. and people shouldn't be ruined for coming forward, or even for being falsely accused.

i don't have all of the answers for how to clean things up, but i do think that it can be done. and i think that it can be done without destroying or killing the industry.
Too many "shoulds". If everyone did what they should do, you wouldn't have this conversation.
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Foo wrote:
zombie wrote:with this whole issue, i think that a lot more transparency needs to happen. and for that to happen, there needs to be a sense of safety for the victim. that doesn't seem to be the case a lot of the time. again, matt demon and russel crowe allegedly worked actively against that. i'm sure they are not the only ones too. corey feldman is afraid for his life, in potentially coming forward, as the most extreme example. i think that the cesspool (as foo puts it) can be cleaned up, but it won't as long as people in power can dodge accountability for things.

and some people do manipulate or lie about a situation to make themselves appear to be the victim. those people need to be called out too, so that it doesn't become turned against people who are actual victims. i don't know how to do that. but i don't think that it should be looking to blame the victim for actions taken against them. if someone is beaten, they don't get blamed for not wearing a helmet or pads or carrying a weapon. whatever. don't jump to just blaming the victim, out of reflex.

and some people don't intend to cause harm. they take things too far, or overstep, or think some kind of attraction is there, when it's not. a big part of hollywood (and of any industry involving public figures and celebrity status and such) is appearance and image and sex appeal, so there is always going to be that risk. and when it happens, innocently or at least not maliciously, not manipulative or abusive, then that should be discussed between the people involved and apologized for and made amends for, if possible.

it should not be covered up, or swept under the rug, or made excuses for. people shouldn't be pressured to come forward before they are ready. people shouldn't just automatically be seen as asking for it, in whatever way. and people shouldn't be ruined for coming forward, or even for being falsely accused.

i don't have all of the answers for how to clean things up, but i do think that it can be done. and i think that it can be done without destroying or killing the industry.
Too many "shoulds". If everyone did what they should do, you wouldn't have this conversation.
and getting hung up on semantics is certainly a valid way to move the conversation forward.
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Foo wrote:
zombie wrote:
Foo wrote:
zombie wrote:
Foo wrote:Let it be noted, the reason for the severity of Hollywood's reaction is not because of the child molestation, it is because Spacey reaffirmed the link between homosexuality and pedofilia.
he was explaining why he was allegedly with a male, underage or not. the two things are not linked inextricably. you can have pedophilia without having homosexuality. you can have homosexuality without having pedophilia.
Homosexuals are FAR more likely to molest. It is an inconvenient truth gay advocates try to hide at all costs.
pedophilia shouldn't be covered for, and it also shouldn't be assumed to be something lurking in all homosexuals.
Maybe we should acknowledge the homosexual link to pedofilia so we can get people help and recognize warning signs rather than continue the lies that there is no connection.
definitely help people to recognize warning signs for pedophilia. just as you would with psychopathy or sociopathy. (according to the spell check function, sociopathy isn't a word, but it should be. :P)
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People should just stop killing each other!

Murder problem solved. I can go home now.
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zombie wrote:
Foo wrote:
zombie wrote:
Foo wrote:
zombie wrote:
Foo wrote:Let it be noted, the reason for the severity of Hollywood's reaction is not because of the child molestation, it is because Spacey reaffirmed the link between homosexuality and pedofilia.
he was explaining why he was allegedly with a male, underage or not. the two things are not linked inextricably. you can have pedophilia without having homosexuality. you can have homosexuality without having pedophilia.
Homosexuals are FAR more likely to molest. It is an inconvenient truth gay advocates try to hide at all costs.
pedophilia shouldn't be covered for, and it also shouldn't be assumed to be something lurking in all homosexuals.
Maybe we should acknowledge the homosexual link to pedofilia so we can get people help and recognize warning signs rather than continue the lies that there is no connection.
definitely help people to recognize warning signs for pedophilia. just as you would with psychopathy or sociopathy. (according to the spell check function, sociopathy isn't a word, but it should be. :P)
Two biggest risk factors:

Being molested yourself and being gay.
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Foo wrote:People should just stop killing each other!

Murder problem solved. I can go home now.
that ramble was not meant as a final solution,and i was pretty clear about that within the ramble, but it's easy to mock when you don't really want to discuss. *shrug*
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