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Reign in Blood wrote:What I find interesting, is where are the accusations on major musicians? Not talking the R. Kelly's or some shit that are known scum. From the 60's and beyond, you know the groupies and shiz were treated like crap, and modern rappers to their groupies etc. How wrestlers treated ring rats, and even fellow women wrestlers is known lore. That penny hasn't dropped.

For modern musicians, the groupies ain't throwing away their meal tickets. But the ex-groupies who are now in their 50s and 60s, you would think something would come out. In general, I would say the music groupies are more vulnerable just in terms of not having any real options. Successful people gravitate toward each other in the film industry, musicians just like to bang hotties who do drugs and have some eclectic qualities.

DancesWithWerewolves wrote:

Reign in Blood wrote:What I find interesting, is where are the accusations on major musicians? Not talking the R. Kelly's or some shit that are known scum. From the 60's and beyond, you know the groupies and shiz were treated like crap, and modern rappers to their groupies etc. How wrestlers treated ring rats, and even fellow women wrestlers is known lore. That penny hasn't dropped.

I've seen memes being made dragging Elvis and Steven Tyler through the mud as pedophile groomers.

Elvis had slumber parties with 12-13 year old girls and obsessively wanted to fuck his mom so nothing would shock me there.

Foo wrote:
I am saying that without evidence, people can get away with things, and that is just part of the system. It is a very dangerous precedent we are setting by prosecuting without evidence.

and i'm saying, we have a tendency, as a society, to shame and dismiss and even threaten people for coming forward to even talk about being raped or violated. let alone go to the police about it.

both are dangerous. we should work toward not doing either, as much as we can.

Headhunter wrote:

DancesWithWerewolves wrote:

Reign in Blood wrote:What I find interesting, is where are the accusations on major musicians? Not talking the R. Kelly's or some shit that are known scum. From the 60's and beyond, you know the groupies and shiz were treated like crap, and modern rappers to their groupies etc. How wrestlers treated ring rats, and even fellow women wrestlers is known lore. That penny hasn't dropped.

I've seen memes being made dragging Elvis and Steven Tyler through the mud as pedophile groomers.

Elvis had slumber parties with 12-13 year old girls and obsessively wanted to fuck his mom so nothing would shock me there.

And met his wife when she was 14.

Headhunter wrote:

DancesWithWerewolves wrote:

Reign in Blood wrote:What I find interesting, is where are the accusations on major musicians? Not talking the R. Kelly's or some shit that are known scum. From the 60's and beyond, you know the groupies and shiz were treated like crap, and modern rappers to their groupies etc. How wrestlers treated ring rats, and even fellow women wrestlers is known lore. That penny hasn't dropped.

I've seen memes being made dragging Elvis and Steven Tyler through the mud as pedophile groomers.

Elvis had slumber parties with 12-13 year old girls and obsessively wanted to fuck his mom so nothing would shock me there.

LOL. Hold That Tiger!

zombie wrote:

Foo wrote:
I am saying that without evidence, people can get away with things, and that is just part of the system. It is a very dangerous precedent we are setting by prosecuting without evidence.

and i'm saying, we have a tendency, as a society, to shame and dismiss and even threaten people for coming forward to even talk about being raped or violated. let alone go to the police about it.

both are dangerous. we should work toward not doing either, as much as we can.

this woman is not being trusted because of inconsistencies in her story combined with the very suspicious timing, plus she is a political person with an opposing agenda to boot.

Seriously, what would you think of any story that involves you naming three people who were there and none of them corroborate what the 4th person says?

say a family finds their son goes missing and then his body is found later. the family calls it murder. do you ask the family "what it really murder though?" (or debate it on message boards, whichever) or do you err on the side of believing that it was murder, as friends and family and community, until you find out different?

it doesn't mean a witch hunt, it just means not dismissing the victim outright.

Grammatically correct that, zombs, before Foo sees.

zombie wrote:say a family finds their son goes missing and then his body is found later. the family calls it murder. do you ask the family "what it really murder though?" (or debate it on message boards, whichever) or do you err on the side of believing that it was murder, as friends and family and community, until you find out different?

it doesn't mean a witch hunt, it just means not dismissing the victim outright.

What does the evidence show? Boy is dead, but was he found with a gun in his hand and by all appearances that he shot himself with no leads or evidence anyone else was there?

Of does he have a bullet in his back and footprints walking away?

Foo wrote:

zombie wrote:

Foo wrote:
I am saying that without evidence, people can get away with things, and that is just part of the system. It is a very dangerous precedent we are setting by prosecuting without evidence.

and i'm saying, we have a tendency, as a society, to shame and dismiss and even threaten people for coming forward to even talk about being raped or violated. let alone go to the police about it.

both are dangerous. we should work toward not doing either, as much as we can.

this woman is not being trusted because of inconsistencies in her story combined with the very suspicious timing, plus she is a political person with an opposing agenda to boot.

Seriously, what would you think of any story that involves you naming three people who were there and none of them corroborate what the 4th person says?

said before that i don't know what to make of the kavanaugh situation.

if you mentioned that story about the girl and you in bed, to another friend who was there, and they didn't remember it. does that mean it didn't happen? i don't know what to make of that particular situation.

Reign in Blood wrote:Grammatically correct that, zombs, before Foo sees.

too late.

zombie wrote:

Reign in Blood wrote:Grammatically correct that, zombs, before Foo sees.

too late.

Damnit! I tried, he is quick on the draw.

Foo wrote:

zombie wrote:say a family finds their son goes missing and then his body is found later. the family calls it murder. do you ask the family "what it really murder though?" (or debate it on message boards, whichever) or do you err on the side of believing that it was murder, as friends and family and community, until you find out different?

it doesn't mean a witch hunt, it just means not dismissing the victim outright.

What does the evidence show? Boy is dead, but was he found with a gun in his hand and by all appearances that he shot himself with no leads or evidence anyone else was there?

Of does he have a bullet in his back and footprints walking away?

so you'd ask your friend or family member if it was really murder? enh...

zombie wrote:

Foo wrote:

zombie wrote:

Foo wrote:
I am saying that without evidence, people can get away with things, and that is just part of the system. It is a very dangerous precedent we are setting by prosecuting without evidence.

and i'm saying, we have a tendency, as a society, to shame and dismiss and even threaten people for coming forward to even talk about being raped or violated. let alone go to the police about it.

both are dangerous. we should work toward not doing either, as much as we can.

this woman is not being trusted because of inconsistencies in her story combined with the very suspicious timing, plus she is a political person with an opposing agenda to boot.

Seriously, what would you think of any story that involves you naming three people who were there and none of them corroborate what the 4th person says?

said before that i don't know what to make of the kavanaugh situation.

if you mentioned that story about the girl and you in bed, to another friend who was there, and they didn't remember it. does that mean it didn't happen? i don't know what to make of that particular situation.

Without evidence of an event, it is the same as not happening for all intensive purposes.

Reign in Blood wrote:

Headhunter wrote:

DancesWithWerewolves wrote:

Reign in Blood wrote:What I find interesting, is where are the accusations on major musicians? Not talking the R. Kelly's or some shit that are known scum. From the 60's and beyond, you know the groupies and shiz were treated like crap, and modern rappers to their groupies etc. How wrestlers treated ring rats, and even fellow women wrestlers is known lore. That penny hasn't dropped.

I've seen memes being made dragging Elvis and Steven Tyler through the mud as pedophile groomers.

Elvis had slumber parties with 12-13 year old girls and obsessively wanted to fuck his mom so nothing would shock me there.

LOL. Hold That Tiger!

zombie wrote:

Foo wrote:

zombie wrote:say a family finds their son goes missing and then his body is found later. the family calls it murder. do you ask the family "what it really murder though?" (or debate it on message boards, whichever) or do you err on the side of believing that it was murder, as friends and family and community, until you find out different?

it doesn't mean a witch hunt, it just means not dismissing the victim outright.

What does the evidence show? Boy is dead, but was he found with a gun in his hand and by all appearances that he shot himself with no leads or evidence anyone else was there?

Of does he have a bullet in his back and footprints walking away?

so you'd ask your friend or family member if it was really murder? enh...

Depending on how well they would react, I would either tell them exactly what I thought, I tell others I did not believe them. My family making up stupid theories does not make them any less stupid.

Foo wrote:

zombie wrote:

Foo wrote:

zombie wrote:

Foo wrote:
I am saying that without evidence, people can get away with things, and that is just part of the system. It is a very dangerous precedent we are setting by prosecuting without evidence.

and i'm saying, we have a tendency, as a society, to shame and dismiss and even threaten people for coming forward to even talk about being raped or violated. let alone go to the police about it.

both are dangerous. we should work toward not doing either, as much as we can.

this woman is not being trusted because of inconsistencies in her story combined with the very suspicious timing, plus she is a political person with an opposing agenda to boot.

Seriously, what would you think of any story that involves you naming three people who were there and none of them corroborate what the 4th person says?

said before that i don't know what to make of the kavanaugh situation.

if you mentioned that story about the girl and you in bed, to another friend who was there, and they didn't remember it. does that mean it didn't happen? i don't know what to make of that particular situation.

Without evidence of an event, it is the same as not happening for all intensive purposes.

but i'm gonna take you at your word that it did happen. even, not knowing whether it did and not having any way to verify.

I appreciate Zombie beating Foo to the punch on the off the wall analogies. I can't be bothered to read all that but tip of the cap to you, sir.

Headhunter wrote:I appreciate Zombie beating Foo to the punch on the off the wall analogies. I can't be bothered to read all that but tip of the cap to you, sir.

it was only one off the wall analogy.

zombie wrote:

Foo wrote:

zombie wrote:

Foo wrote:

zombie wrote:

Foo wrote:
I am saying that without evidence, people can get away with things, and that is just part of the system. It is a very dangerous precedent we are setting by prosecuting without evidence.

and i'm saying, we have a tendency, as a society, to shame and dismiss and even threaten people for coming forward to even talk about being raped or violated. let alone go to the police about it.

both are dangerous. we should work toward not doing either, as much as we can.

this woman is not being trusted because of inconsistencies in her story combined with the very suspicious timing, plus she is a political person with an opposing agenda to boot.

Seriously, what would you think of any story that involves you naming three people who were there and none of them corroborate what the 4th person says?

said before that i don't know what to make of the kavanaugh situation.

if you mentioned that story about the girl and you in bed, to another friend who was there, and they didn't remember it. does that mean it didn't happen? i don't know what to make of that particular situation.

Without evidence of an event, it is the same as not happening for all intensive purposes.

but i'm gonna take you at your word that it did happen. even, not knowing whether it did and not having any way to verify.

That's great, but it makes no difference. I am not asking to impact a person's life in any way with my story.