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Glad it got back on track. Was worried about the thread there for a minute.

I saw it, and really liked it. Think it was in part the subversive comedy aspect, in part the brilliance of having a single writer director rather than a Star Wars by committee feeling. And I thoroughly enjoyed Adam Driver in it. Really liked that characters arc.

There are “flaws” as it were. The film basically is a series of subplots that all endcin failure and nobody being any the wiser. The film starts and ends with nobody having advanced anything st all. I like it as it’s charactsr driven but you’d think something would be achievable. I’m many ways it’s one of the best films in that sense. It has a message and it never deviated. The message is that you grow more from weakness and failure. And oh boy did we see a lot of failure.

Few things that properly bug me:

1. Space bombers. What the actual fuck. In an era of Death Stars, lasers, torpedoes and advanced weaponry, slow moving giant bomb ships was really the best option?! And, it’s soace. Opening the bay doors so they can fall literally doesn’t work. Which means they have to be propelled and guided by something. At which point guide and propel them from a safe distance. This is whilst ignoring in its entirety the impossibility of big fire explosions in space, an oxygen-free environment.

2. The stupid horse-creature release program. That isn’t a victory, they’re a mile outside town where they can be recaptured. You’ve left the arena intact. Idiots.

3. Rose and Finn love story angle. It seems completely out of nowhere.

Things I really liked

1. The character arc for Luke and his bitter man to doubting Jedi to full on badass. Great way to end it.

2. The subversion of Snoke as a leader.

3. The Driver-Ridley chemistry and character changes

4. The classic Puppet Yoda.

Never thought about the lack of oxygen environment making the bombs pointless. But then never bugged me that the Death Star used to explode like it had oxygen around it (they fixed that in the special editions) so I just didn't notice. And hell yeah for being on board with the Failure theme throughout. You really don't see much of that in genre movies anymore. Though I would argue that it is in fact Luke that advances the resistance in the end after all those setbacks (with **SPOILERS** the most fittingly bad ass jedi mind trick ever).

This movie probably has the widest range of reviews from any movie I've read about in years. Everywhere from "it's the best Star Wars ever" to "It might be worse than Attack of the Clones". Some liked it, disliked it, hated it. I've heard people say that there is really nothing good at all and people are forcing themselves to like it because it's the IN thing to do.

All over the place. Lol. I do think the latter part of that post holds true to a lot of people, though.

DancesWithWerewolves wrote:Never thought about the lack of oxygen environment making the bombs pointless. But then never bugged me that the Death Star used to explode like it had oxygen around it (they fixed that in the special editions) so I just didn't notice. And hell yeah for being on board with the Failure theme throughout. You really don't see much of that in genre movies anymore. Though I would argue that it is in fact Luke that advances the resistance in the end after all those setbacks (with **SPOILERS** the most fittingly bad ass jedi mind trick ever).

Honestly I should’ve spotted that it wasn’t him (different hair, beard, using the recently broken lightsaber) but I genuinely didn’t catch it on the day and thought he was such a badass.

Tbh it still was super badass. No taking away from that.

showa58taro wrote:

DancesWithWerewolves wrote:Never thought about the lack of oxygen environment making the bombs pointless. But then never bugged me that the Death Star used to explode like it had oxygen around it (they fixed that in the special editions) so I just didn't notice. And hell yeah for being on board with the Failure theme throughout. You really don't see much of that in genre movies anymore. Though I would argue that it is in fact Luke that advances the resistance in the end after all those setbacks (with **SPOILERS** the most fittingly bad ass jedi mind trick ever).

Honestly I should’ve spotted that it wasn’t him (different hair, beard, using the recently broken lightsaber) but I genuinely didn’t catch it on the day and thought he was such a badass.

i've also heard that luke didn't make footprints, while kylo did. but i haven't had the chance to see it yet.

showa58taro wrote:

DancesWithWerewolves wrote:Never thought about the lack of oxygen environment making the bombs pointless. But then never bugged me that the Death Star used to explode like it had oxygen around it (they fixed that in the special editions) so I just didn't notice. And hell yeah for being on board with the Failure theme throughout. You really don't see much of that in genre movies anymore. Though I would argue that it is in fact Luke that advances the resistance in the end after all those setbacks (with **SPOILERS** the most fittingly bad ass jedi mind trick ever).

Honestly I should’ve spotted that it wasn’t him (different hair, beard, using the recently broken lightsaber) but I genuinely didn’t catch it on the day and thought he was such a badass.

*spoilers*

I took it as Kylo didn't notice, because Luke knew he'd be so full of rage, that he just wouldn't notice, making him feel like such a bigger ass when Luke vanishes (yeah, if I were Hux I'd give him the same look too when Kylo picked up the dice). Also, notice Luke wasn't leaving footprints in the salt?

zombie wrote:

showa58taro wrote:

DancesWithWerewolves wrote:Never thought about the lack of oxygen environment making the bombs pointless. But then never bugged me that the Death Star used to explode like it had oxygen around it (they fixed that in the special editions) so I just didn't notice. And hell yeah for being on board with the Failure theme throughout. You really don't see much of that in genre movies anymore. Though I would argue that it is in fact Luke that advances the resistance in the end after all those setbacks (with **SPOILERS** the most fittingly bad ass jedi mind trick ever).

Honestly I should’ve spotted that it wasn’t him (different hair, beard, using the recently broken lightsaber) but I genuinely didn’t catch it on the day and thought he was such a badass.

i've also heard that luke didn't make footprints, while kylo did. but i haven't had the chance to see it yet.

*nods*

Jason wrote:This movie probably has the widest range of reviews from any movie I've read about in years. Everywhere from "it's the best Star Wars ever" to "It might be worse than Attack of the Clones". Some liked it, disliked it, hated it. I've heard people say that there is really nothing good at all and people are forcing themselves to like it because it's the IN thing to do.

All over the place. Lol. I do think the latter part of that post holds true to a lot of people, though.

While it can be true, I also think it's true for the other end, forcing themselves to hate it because it's the "in" thing. I mean, I've seen poorly spelled reviews claiming it was worse than the Christmas special.

DancesWithWerewolves wrote:

Jason wrote:This movie probably has the widest range of reviews from any movie I've read about in years. Everywhere from "it's the best Star Wars ever" to "It might be worse than Attack of the Clones". Some liked it, disliked it, hated it. I've heard people say that there is really nothing good at all and people are forcing themselves to like it because it's the IN thing to do.

All over the place. Lol. I do think the latter part of that post holds true to a lot of people, though.

While it can be true, I also think it's true for the other end, forcing themselves to hate it because it's the "in" thing. I mean, I've seen poorly spelled reviews claiming it was worse than the Christmas special.

Nothing on Earth is worse than the Christmas Special.

Think you’re just trying to be a hipster. If you say this is the worst film ever etc.