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zombie wrote:

Foo wrote:I mentioned that long after Head introduced that discovering evidence was racist because the victim was black.

i know. you mentioned it in our discussion, as a way to try to dismiss my argument. to try to say that i was using race politics or some shit.

Foo wrote:

zombie wrote: if you have some other info that would give reason for including his drug use into this case, please share it? otherwise it's just a way to attack his character and cloud the actual issue at hand.

I have the greatest reason. The case is not settled. Until the case is settled, you document and consider all evidence because the person is innocent until proven guilty.

Serious question: Do you even know what the suspect is charged with?

zombie wrote:

Foo wrote:

zombie wrote: if you have some other info that would give reason for including his drug use into this case, please share it? otherwise it's just a way to attack his character and cloud the actual issue at hand.

I have the greatest reason. The case is not settled. Until the case is settled, you document and consider all evidence because the person is innocent until proven guilty.

Serious question: Do you even know what the suspect is charged with?

i believe she was charged with manslaughter?

Foo wrote:

zombie wrote:

Foo wrote:I mentioned that long after Head introduced that discovering evidence was racist because the victim was black.

i know. you mentioned it in our discussion, as a way to try to dismiss my argument. to try to say that i was using race politics or some shit.

Your argument was that evidence should be ignored. Sorry, that is a silly argument. You are literally saying that contraband found at a crime scene should be ignored by police. That has to rank up there with one of the most bizarre things I have heard.

Foo wrote: Ok, and have you considered my position is that she may actually be guilty of murder rather than the lesser charge of manslaughter? And that I am not saying marijuana clouds the issue, but rather it is simply evidence that may or may not shed more light onto what happened, given the victim cannot give his side?

zombie wrote:

Foo wrote:

zombie wrote:

Foo wrote:I mentioned that long after Head introduced that discovering evidence was racist because the victim was black.

i know. you mentioned it in our discussion, as a way to try to dismiss my argument. to try to say that i was using race politics or some shit.

Your argument was that evidence should be ignored. Sorry, that is a silly argument. You are literally saying that contraband found at a crime scene should be ignored by police. That has to rank up there with one of the most bizarre things I have heard.

and you are saying that the contraband should be taken into account, because he was a stranger to her that she knew nothing about before shooting him, so every fragment of his life needs to be brought into evidence in the trial and used in her defense.

Tiggnutz wrote:Whole streets of Baltimore work as one big drug dispenser how do you police that. Police affect there income and means of sustainability.

Foo wrote:I mentioned that long after Head introduced that discovering evidence was racist because the victim was black.

zombie wrote:

Foo wrote: Ok, and have you considered my position is that she may actually be guilty of murder rather than the lesser charge of manslaughter? And that I am not saying marijuana clouds the issue, but rather it is simply evidence that may or may not shed more light onto what happened, given the victim cannot give his side?

then what was that all about his character is suspect before? why did you wait to bring that up at all, until just now? it could have saved a lot of time arguing in circles. and would have given a better idea of your point of view.

why would she make a claim about being tired and shooting him mistakenly, if she knew he was using illegal drugs? wouldn't that be the better defense on her part? wouldn't she have a better chance of not facing time at all, if she used that as the defense?

Foo wrote:How do you know with absolute certainty he was a stranger to her? Residents have disputed her accounts.

I think you have such strong opinions on marijuana that you cannot look at these situations objectively. No matter what you think of it, it is not legal everywhere. So when police see it at a crime scene, they are not going to act like it is a ham sandwich.

Tiggnutz wrote:

Headhunter wrote:

Tiggnutz wrote:

Headhunter wrote:

Jason wrote:

Headhunter wrote:The cops in Prague are pretty damn polite, friendly and mostly unoccupied.

It's a real shock to the system when you first interact with one. Just regular people doing a job. The sad thing is the Czechs tend to really disrespect them. I have seen people yelling at cops on the street and have been told by students that it's a regular occurrence for people to talk shit to them when they get pulled over. These people don't have a clue how good they have it sometimes. Especially the young people here who didn't live through or can't remember what it was like under Soviet rule, they have no perspective.

That's literally how it is in America. lol.

Nah, cops are assholes there.

Generalization is never a good thing and I've never delt with Prague police but I have had dealings with plenty of douche European police and they have machine guns but like everywhere the vast majority are awesome people. A little respect and courtesy go along way

Machine guns that they don't fire.

They don't have to they are given proper respect. I know there are bad cops here maybe more than should be accepted or expected but this is a far more dangerous place to be a cop. I know places in the states one I live in that I can't see a possible way to be policed

Headhunter wrote:

Tiggnutz wrote:Whole streets of Baltimore work as one big drug dispenser how do you police that. Police affect there income and means of sustainability.

Sensible drug policy.

Foo wrote:

Headhunter wrote:

Tiggnutz wrote:Whole streets of Baltimore work as one big drug dispenser how do you police that. Police affect there income and means of sustainability.

Sensible drug policy.

Just the other day I was thinking that the hood rats in Baltimore need more unfettered access to weed, meth, herion, and coke.

Foo wrote: I am looking at all the angles. I would like to know two things:

1. Is her confusion story plausible? Might her story seem more likely if you learned the many residents of the building have went to the wrong apartment because it all looks the same?

2. What is the history of suspect and victim interactions?

I am not trying to prosecute a case before having all the information. And yes, using illegal drugs is a character flaw. Doesn't mean he deserved to be murdered.

zombie wrote:

Headhunter wrote:

Jason wrote:

Headhunter wrote:The cops in Prague are pretty damn polite, friendly and mostly unoccupied.

It's a real shock to the system when you first interact with one. Just regular people doing a job. The sad thing is the Czechs tend to really disrespect them. I have seen people yelling at cops on the street and have been told by students that it's a regular occurrence for people to talk shit to them when they get pulled over. These people don't have a clue how good they have it sometimes. Especially the young people here who didn't live through or can't remember what it was like under Soviet rule, they have no perspective.

That's literally how it is in America. lol.

Nah, cops are assholes there.

some are. and some aren't. my own experience with police has mostly been positive.

zombie wrote:

Foo wrote: I am looking at all the angles. I would like to know two things:

1. Is her confusion story plausible? Might her story seem more likely if you learned the many residents of the building have went to the wrong apartment because it all looks the same?

2. What is the history of suspect and victim interactions?

I am not trying to prosecute a case before having all the information. And yes, using illegal drugs is a character flaw. Doesn't mean he deserved to be murdered.

i gave her the benefit of the doubt, that she was being truthful in the mistaken home and shooting a suspected intruder defense. i have been through this discussion, if you read my posts.

what is the history of suspect and victim interaction? if you know something that i don't, let me know. if i don't have all the facts, share them. fill in the blanks and i'll adjust my opinion, based on my new understanding of the situation.

Headhunter wrote:

Foo wrote:

Headhunter wrote:

Tiggnutz wrote:Whole streets of Baltimore work as one big drug dispenser how do you police that. Police affect there income and means of sustainability.

Sensible drug policy.

Just the other day I was thinking that the hood rats in Baltimore need more unfettered access to weed, meth, herion, and coke.

Do you want to reduce violence or moralize for the sake of moralizing?

People love drugs. They've loved drugs for thousands of years. Get over it and build rational, unemotional policy to make the best of it.

Tiggnutz wrote:

Headhunter wrote:

Foo wrote:

Headhunter wrote:

Tiggnutz wrote:Whole streets of Baltimore work as one big drug dispenser how do you police that. Police affect there income and means of sustainability.

Sensible drug policy.

Just the other day I was thinking that the hood rats in Baltimore need more unfettered access to weed, meth, herion, and coke.

Do you want to reduce violence or moralize for the sake of moralizing?

People love drugs. They've loved drugs for thousands of years. Get over it and build rational, unemotional policy to make the best of it.

This would be acceptable for certain drugs but it's playing stupid to think it's the same for all drugs heroin,coke and others I'm sure you could name destroy masses and not by regulaton but by their nature

Headhunter wrote:

Tiggnutz wrote:

Headhunter wrote:

Foo wrote:

Headhunter wrote:

Tiggnutz wrote:Whole streets of Baltimore work as one big drug dispenser how do you police that. Police affect there income and means of sustainability.

Sensible drug policy.

Just the other day I was thinking that the hood rats in Baltimore need more unfettered access to weed, meth, herion, and coke.

Do you want to reduce violence or moralize for the sake of moralizing?

People love drugs. They've loved drugs for thousands of years. Get over it and build rational, unemotional policy to make the best of it.

This would be acceptable for certain drugs but it's playing stupid to think it's the same for all drugs heroin,coke and others I'm sure you could name destroy masses and not by regulaton but by their nature

Do they not destroy masses now?