Liberal Hollywood and the Pedophilia Problem

[Jason]

Hard to trust some of these girls, too. So many false sexual assault allegations from up and coming athletes out of the blue.

That right there is why it is such an underreported crime.

Sure it is not overreported?

Yes. Historically sexual assaults and sexual harassment are grossly under reported because of attitudes like yours and Jason’s. You guys are the problem.

The problem is the dumb broads who constantly cry rape, yet, were never touched, their story changes, or they are caught in a flat out lie.

[Reign in Blood]

Hard to trust some of these girls, too. So many false sexual assault allegations from up and coming athletes out of the blue.

That right there is why it is such an underreported crime.

Sure it is not overreported?

Yes. Historically sexual assaults and sexual harassment are grossly under reported because of attitudes like yours and Jason’s. You guys are the problem.

Wait, one created this thread talking about the pedophilia problem in Hollywood and the other has been speculating/calling out Spacey for awhile, and they're the problem?

Golly guys, next time shut the fuck up.

[Tiggnutz]

Did seem like a topic about pedophilia in the entertainment business morphed into something else. Some creepy misogynistic thing.

[Foo]

Hard to trust some of these girls, too. So many false sexual assault allegations from up and coming athletes out of the blue.

That right there is why it is such an underreported crime.

Sure it is not overreported?

Yes. Historically sexual assaults and sexual harassment are grossly under reported because of attitudes like yours and Jason’s. You guys are the problem.

I am fairly certain rapists and those who claim rape when it did not happen are the problems.

[Foo]

Does rape and sexual assault happen? Yes.

Does the overreaction to an accusation make for a culture where many are falsely accused? Yes.

Right now, accusations are incentivized WAY beyond damages. That is creating an alternate set of problems that are reaching higher magnitudes than some of the so called assaults.

[Foo]

Professional victims.

[Reign in Blood]

Did seem like a topic about pedophilia in the entertainment business morphed into something else. Some creepy misogynistic thing.

Let us not act like there has been no woman to come out of the blue to make accusations for an opportunistic means at personal gain or revenge.

Not to misconstrue, the "casting couch" has always been real and doing potentially degrading things for roles, this isn't some shocking thing. But let's all come out of the woodwork and act outraged now! Come on.

[Foo]

When the money truck rolls up, a line is apt to form, whether the money is earned or not.

[Foo]

Some dude is now literally claiming he had ptsd for six months because Spacey touched his crotch.

[showa58taro]

Did seem like a topic about pedophilia in the entertainment business morphed into something else. Some creepy misogynistic thing.

Let us not act like there has been no woman to come out of the blue to make accusations for an opportunistic means at personal gain or revenge.

Not to misconstrue, the "casting couch" has always been real and doing potentially degrading things for roles, this isn't some shocking thing. But let's all come out of the woodwork and act outraged now! Come on.

Foo and Jadon (and now I guess kind of you) are the reason that women don’t come out more and are often unwilling to report these assaults. Of course it’s not worth reporting when it’s hard to prove one way or another, and coming out leads to exactly this kind of misogyny and defamation of character. It’s truly depressing to see that you have as a default assumption that dudes are innocents but women are guilty, greedy liars. And that’s the reality of it.

If the #MeToo showed anything it’s that these things that women don’t want to have happen, are occurring at a way higher rate than thought before. It’s shocking to see, but it’s more shocking to then see you all go off on how women are the problem here.

It also should be noted that groups coming forward is actually the most likely thing because people feel safer and it looks more legitimate to have others. It leads to higher conviction rates and a more lengthy sentence. Because it points to long term patterned behaviour. Hence the “why wait till now” but, which is coupled with having to deal with the putrid attitude of assuming the woman is lying because the rich powerful men who say to people “they’ll let you do anything, grab them by the pussy” are clearly not likely to do inappropriate things.

[Tiggnutz]

Some dude is now literally claiming he had ptsd for six months because Spacey touched his crotch.

I'm sure lots of bullshitters will come a running but I'm not going to use it as justification not to take real potential victims seriously. I can't imagine how hard it would be to live with having had that happen to you than you finally speak out and you get called a greedy whore or a liar.

[showa58taro]

Some dude is now literally claiming he had ptsd for six months because Spacey touched his crotch.

I'm sure lots of bullshitters will come a running but I'm not going to use it as justification not to take real potential victims seriously. I can't imagine how hard it would be to live with having had that happen to you than you finally speak out and you get called a greedy whore or a liar.

This is exactly where I stand on this issue. 100% with Tigg here.

[Dream]

Some dude is now literally claiming he had ptsd for six months because Spacey touched his crotch.

I'm sure lots of bullshitters will come a running but I'm not going to use it as justification not to take real potential victims seriously. I can't imagine how hard it would be to live with having had that happen to you than you finally speak out and you get called a greedy whore or a liar.

I can't speak on being called greedy, but being called a liar absolutely sucks and is one of the main reasons people don't speak out. Other reasons are feeling ashamed, being threatened, or fearing retaliation from those in power.

It's one of the few crimes where the victim has to prove they were victimized and anything short of serious physical injury is seen as a nothing more than a scorned lover out for revenge even if they have nothing to gain from it. I've never heard a victim of theft have to defend leaving a valuable object out in view of potential thieves, but someone who was sexually assaulted has to prove they weren't displaying themselves to potential rapists. A carjacking victim has never been asked how forcefully they told the carjacker "No," but a victim of assault has to defend their actions or lack thereof even though it's well known that many people lock up during an assault and are incapable of fighting back or verbalizing because they are in shock. Someone who was mugged is believed even if there are no signs of injury but someone who was sexually assaulted with no signs of injury is just an easy girl/guy who regretted their actions the next day and is trying to get back at the person they slept with.

And the odds of sexual assault against children is extremely low the further away from relatives and family friends you move. I seriously doubt any of the parents of kids abused in Hollywood were unaware of the events, they just didn't care enough to stop it, or worse, encouraged it for a glimpse of fame.

Gotta admit I've been having a hell of a hard time with all of this, but I've also been a little relieved to see that the majority of people talking about stuff that happened to them wasn't just one or two minor incidences, it's a stream of shit, often beginning at a very young age. I kept quiet for a really fucking long time cause there were so many instances in my life that shit happened to me I didn't think it was believable so why bother dragging it all back up when it's easier to just completely hate myself?

When I did finally bring it up, you guys were the ones I told and it was fucking hard and I still don't know if any of you believed me or not, judging by some of your opinions in this thread, probably not, but it really doesn't matter anymore cause I'm actually trying to deal with it now instead of pretending it doesn't bother me and bottling it up until the next time I try to kill myself.

So yeah, it hurts to think you won't be believed and that's enough to keep you quiet about it. Continuing the idea of false accusations being more problematic than actual assaults is a great way to ensure low-lifes get away with assault because it scares victims into thinking they won't be believed, so they don't speak up.

[Jason]

Dream, not one person in this thread even had the thought that you'd be lying. Get out of here with that.

[Foo]

Here is the thing, if you attempt to do a trial by public opinion, as people are doing in droves now, expect to be judged based on the evidence you present. If you are assaulted, go to the police. Shouting names at each other on Twitter is not appropriate in polite society.

When these people present themselves as unbalanced and frantic, and then make wild claims accusing each other, what do you expect?

[Foo]

Also, people who are dramatic about an ass pat do more damage to assault victims than anyone. People who continue to support the HOLLYWOOD culture by consuming what they produce are also complicit.

I am complicit because I don't really care.

[Foo]

And yes, if you claim you are mugged or the victim of some other crime, you are expected to go to the police with evidence to get justice. There are a million scammers out there claiming theft, cancer, and everything else to get money and sympathy, especially in the gofundme era.

[Foo]

Did seem like a topic about pedophilia in the entertainment business morphed into something else. Some creepy misogynistic thing.

Let us not act like there has been no woman to come out of the blue to make accusations for an opportunistic means at personal gain or revenge.

Not to misconstrue, the "casting couch" has always been real and doing potentially degrading things for roles, this isn't some shocking thing. But let's all come out of the woodwork and act outraged now! Come on.

Foo and Jadon (and now I guess kind of you) are the reason that women don’t come out more and are often unwilling to report these assaults. Of course it’s not worth reporting when it’s hard to prove one way or another, and coming out leads to exactly this kind of misogyny and defamation of character. It’s truly depressing to see that you have as a default assumption that dudes are innocents but women are guilty, greedy liars. And that’s the reality of it.

If the #MeToo showed anything it’s that these things that women don’t want to have happen, are occurring at a way higher rate than thought before. It’s shocking to see, but it’s more shocking to then see you all go off on how women are the problem here.

It also should be noted that groups coming forward is actually the most likely thing because people feel safer and it looks more legitimate to have others. It leads to higher conviction rates and a more lengthy sentence. Because it points to long term patterned behaviour. Hence the “why wait till now” but, which is coupled with having to deal with the putrid attitude of assuming the woman is lying because the rich powerful men who say to people “they’ll let you do anything, grab them by the pussy” are clearly not likely to do inappropriate things.

Do we want justice or mob rule? Men are grabbed too. Shit happens, move on. If we constantly cry about victimization, it just creates a class of people who believe they are lesser. Don't teach them to cry, teach them to fight. If you are grabbed by the pussy, gouge out an eye, don't talk about it on Twitter ten years later.

[Foo]

By the way, Corey Feldman, a dude, blew his credibility with me when he asked for money to reveal his molesters.

[zombie]

And yes, if you claim you are mugged or the victim of some other crime, you are expected to go to the police with evidence to get justice. There are a million scammers out there claiming theft, cancer, and everything else to get money and sympathy, especially in the gofundme era.

that didn't seem to be the point she was trying to make. victims of theft or robbery are not scrutinized for what they did to cause or invite that burglary or theft.