Jason wrote:
Because most of the time they don't mean it baby, yeahhh.
You can have respect for women, but the left do the pussy-on-a-pedestal thing and crank the volume all the way to max where it's like "Hey, you know what, we men are just inferior to you wimmens on every aspect. Please fuck me" kinda thing.
Bill Burr touched base pretty good on it. lol. The fuckin' breakfast story is hilarious.
DancesWithWerewolves wrote:Austin Powers: International Man Of Mystery
Would did you think? I recently tried to rewatch this too, and I loved it as a teen/early 20's, now I couldn't even finish it.
Still dug it, but I've always preferred The Spy Who Shagged Me.
I was thinking though, that the first two are easily movies that could be thrown in a pile of "couldn't be made today because of crybabies." Hell, Austin would be considered a Sex Offender because he kept pursuing Vanessa after she told him "no".
Yeah that Toxic Masculinity thing. Such a sad state the way things are now.
How is it okay for you to keep pestering a woman for a date after she told you 'no'? Have some respect for the decision and leave the woman alone.
I don't see how increasing the respect we have for the opposite gender is anything to be ashamed of, but then again, I am a proud feminist, so maybe I'll just never understand this "man's man/alpha male" bullshit.
The point is people would piss and moan about a stereotype of a masculine character. And they would. It has nothing to do with asking women out several times which you see as a form of predation and get to speak for all women becuase you are a feminist.
the themes and tropes of film are going to change as culture changes. i think there are still masculine characters today. and there should be. and there should be feminine characters as well. the way forward is not to make men to be all wimpy, nor to make women all butch or not feminine. both masculinity and femininity should be allowed to have a place.
DancesWithWerewolves wrote:Austin Powers: International Man Of Mystery
Would did you think? I recently tried to rewatch this too, and I loved it as a teen/early 20's, now I couldn't even finish it.
Still dug it, but I've always preferred The Spy Who Shagged Me.
I was thinking though, that the first two are easily movies that could be thrown in a pile of "couldn't be made today because of crybabies." Hell, Austin would be considered a Sex Offender because he kept pursuing Vanessa after she told him "no".
Yeah that Toxic Masculinity thing. Such a sad state the way things are now.
How is it okay for you to keep pestering a woman for a date after she told you 'no'? Have some respect for the decision and leave the woman alone.
I don't see how increasing the respect we have for the opposite gender is anything to be ashamed of, but then again, I am a proud feminist, so maybe I'll just never understand this "man's man/alpha male" bullshit.
The point is people would piss and moan about a stereotype of a masculine character. And they would. It has nothing to do with asking women out several times which you see as a form of predation and get to speak for all women becuase you are a feminist.
I never said I get to speak for all women. Women can speak for themselves. It would be nice if men listened, though.
DancesWithWerewolves wrote:Austin Powers: International Man Of Mystery
Would did you think? I recently tried to rewatch this too, and I loved it as a teen/early 20's, now I couldn't even finish it.
Still dug it, but I've always preferred The Spy Who Shagged Me.
I was thinking though, that the first two are easily movies that could be thrown in a pile of "couldn't be made today because of crybabies." Hell, Austin would be considered a Sex Offender because he kept pursuing Vanessa after she told him "no".
Yeah that Toxic Masculinity thing. Such a sad state the way things are now.
How is it okay for you to keep pestering a woman for a date after she told you 'no'? Have some respect for the decision and leave the woman alone.
I don't see how increasing the respect we have for the opposite gender is anything to be ashamed of, but then again, I am a proud feminist, so maybe I'll just never understand this "man's man/alpha male" bullshit.
The point is people would piss and moan about a stereotype of a masculine character. And they would. It has nothing to do with asking women out several times which you see as a form of predation and get to speak for all women becuase you are a feminist.
I never said I get to speak for all women. Women can speak for themselves. It would be nice if men listened, though.
I listen. And I'm considered a dick for keeping track of how many times they change their mind (I love it when it's in written format that I pull up too, thanks emails!)
Regarding moving on after being told "no" once. Nice idea, but like any continued argument, you feel your case has not been made on the first judgement (especially if they think rumors about you are true when they aren't), so you try again. Of course, I think it gets to a point where it becomes beating a deadhorse before becoming stalker-ish, so I believe in a 3-strike rule. Of course I say that, but haven't practiced it since middle school. Would just give up after the first rejection since. Low self esteem crushed lower from rejections in middle school.
DancesWithWerewolves wrote:Regarding moving on after being told "no" once. Nice idea, but like any continued argument, you feel your case has not been made on the first judgement (especially if they think rumors about you are true when they aren't), so you try again. Of course, I think it gets to a point where it becomes beating a deadhorse before becoming stalker-ish, so I believe in a 3-strike rule. Of course I say that, but haven't practiced it since middle school. Would just give up after the first rejection since. Low self esteem crushed lower from rejections in middle school.
Asking a girl out is not supposed to be anything like an argument. If she's into you, she's into you. If her initial judgements are poor, all the more reason to keep it moving.
DancesWithWerewolves wrote:Regarding moving on after being told "no" once. Nice idea, but like any continued argument, you feel your case has not been made on the first judgement (especially if they think rumors about you are true when they aren't), so you try again. Of course, I think it gets to a point where it becomes beating a deadhorse before becoming stalker-ish, so I believe in a 3-strike rule. Of course I say that, but haven't practiced it since middle school. Would just give up after the first rejection since. Low self esteem crushed lower from rejections in middle school.
i can't help but feeling like there should be a distinction made between "the chase" and trying to convince someone to have an interest in you. but then i've never actually had a relationship in person, so yeah.
DancesWithWerewolves wrote:Regarding moving on after being told "no" once. Nice idea, but like any continued argument, you feel your case has not been made on the first judgement (especially if they think rumors about you are true when they aren't), so you try again. Of course, I think it gets to a point where it becomes beating a deadhorse before becoming stalker-ish, so I believe in a 3-strike rule. Of course I say that, but haven't practiced it since middle school. Would just give up after the first rejection since. Low self esteem crushed lower from rejections in middle school.
i can't help but feeling like there should be a distinction made between "the chase" and trying to convince someone to have an interest in you. but then i've never actually had a relationship in person, so yeah.
We're not really talking about the chase so much as we are the necessary moment of truth though. The chase ends no matter what answer you get. That's how it's gotta be.
DancesWithWerewolves wrote:Regarding moving on after being told "no" once. Nice idea, but like any continued argument, you feel your case has not been made on the first judgement (especially if they think rumors about you are true when they aren't), so you try again. Of course, I think it gets to a point where it becomes beating a deadhorse before becoming stalker-ish, so I believe in a 3-strike rule. Of course I say that, but haven't practiced it since middle school. Would just give up after the first rejection since. Low self esteem crushed lower from rejections in middle school.
i can't help but feeling like there should be a distinction made between "the chase" and trying to convince someone to have an interest in you. but then i've never actually had a relationship in person, so yeah.
I've never really tried a "Chase" so I can't say. My 3-time attempt in middle school was actually over the course of 3 years, it was pretty spread out. I crushed pretty hard on that girl. Had I regularly asked her out like Screech asking out Lisa on Saved By The Bell, then I could see "The Chase" in place. Nah, mine was more trying to prove my worth, which turned out to be very little. The prequel to my mopey High School years
Where girls need to be better with all that is in ripping off the band-aid. Guys are pretty transparent and girls pretty intuitive so if they can see they're going to drag out the chase, they have to be willing to step up and either cut them off or tell them they're into it.
It's largely a fear-based dynamic that drags that stuff out though, that has to be said.
Are we talking about 7th grade rejection or adult-era rejection? I pull numbers on the norm and they all respond, even the ones who don't want to go for it. I can pick up on that pretty easily through chatting and when the conversation ends, I always leave it there.
The Chipotle girl was the toughest read. I asked if she was in a relationship, she leaned toward no, is the best way I can describe it. She gave me the number and she addressed it right away saying she went on a date with a guy recently who lives an hour away. I was fine with it, we chatted, she wanted me to follow her on instant graham, but I am a male and don't really do that shit and let her know right away I'm not on it. She was off and on with her responses, she'd say nothing for days, then make a weird claim about forgetting to pay her phone bill. Weird stuff like that, hard to get a vibe. Went to her instant graham and saw a couple videos and pictures of her with a guy that seemed relationship-y to me. So I assumed I was just the Back Door Man in the conversation. I stopped talking to her, she's said nothing for months.
That's the only difficult read I've had in a long time. Other than that it's been pretty straight forward. The ones that drop hints they're into pursuing a relationship are the tough ones, because then I kinda back away because I'm a dumb ass who ain't ready.
The rejection I discuss is early on "7th grade" rejection, before "if you fail, try and try again" became taboo for attempting to get dates thanks to a bunch of asshats ruining it and making women think every guy is going to rape and kill them and repeated attempts is THE red flag.
When watching Austin Power: The Spy Who Shagged Me when it came out with one of my high school friends I really liked, I did ask her out during that, but she rejected going further than just friends. I was bummed, but I never felt the urge to drop her as a friend because I think that's a shitty thing to do and am surprised that's something that runs rampant these days, giving "unrequited love" a bad name. Did not harm our enjoyment of the movie.
I had followed up International Man of Mystery with Spy Who Shagged Me and Goldmember. Still overall fun, but the jokes were still tired by Goldmember.
I don't think it's good or bad to drop the girl as a friend, you just have to be honest with yourself. Everyone thinks they can be a good guy about it and keep the friendship going (or they tell themselves that to subconsciously justify maintaining the chase), but usually it ends up just being an uncomfortable dynamic with constant hints at the rejection and that's not fair to the girl.
Sons of Anarchy season 3 finale (spoiler free for anyone willing to read).
Second time around with Sons. I give the overall show a generally favorable review. A lot of gripes will always nip at the overall ranking of it. Overall I'd rank Sons somewhere between pretty good and very good. Season 3 itself overall has probably been my least favorite of the first three at this point... But the season finale of season 3 is likely the absolute most satisfying finale in the history of television. No way to explain that unless the show is seen by peeps up until that point, but the satisfaction is so undeniable. There could not have been a more perfect finale for that season. It is so great that I quit watching for the night just to post this.
Big Mouth, season one. I've watched the whole season before, but they are having a new season in October. This is some of the funniest shit ever. We've all been through puberty. This show nails it. Lol
