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Re: Crime, Poverty, and the Footopia
Posted: Fri Jun 23, 2017 5:53 pm
by zombie
Tiggnutz wrote:I hope people don't mistake my posts as some hunt for a conservative wonderland that's not my goal my goal is to show democrats and liberals have destoyed cities and generations of people. While we joke thousands of lives suffer.
conservatives only save lives and make us better as a nation.
Re: Crime, Poverty, and the Footopia
Posted: Fri Jun 23, 2017 5:54 pm
by Reign in Blood
zombie wrote:showa58taro wrote:zombie wrote:how would the news and entertainment media be handled? how would you ensure that public opinion didn't shift away from what you want in the system?
Controlled censorship. Best way to make it work.
i am getting the sense from all of this that foo (and maybe reign too?) wants some sort of mix of north korea and an idealized 1950s america. but i want to give the chance to show that isn't the case. that their ideal would work with a more free and open media.
I want a better country that works for us all, zombs. This is the way.
Re: Crime, Poverty, and the Footopia
Posted: Fri Jun 23, 2017 5:56 pm
by Tiggnutz
zombie wrote:Tiggnutz wrote:I hope people don't mistake my posts as some hunt for a conservative wonderland that's not my goal my goal is to show democrats and liberals have destoyed cities and generations of people. While we joke thousands of lives suffer.
conservatives only save lives and make us better as a nation.
Zombs it's just as simple as this one way doesn't work so why not try something else.
Re: Crime, Poverty, and the Footopia
Posted: Fri Jun 23, 2017 5:56 pm
by zombie
Reign in Blood wrote:zombie wrote:showa58taro wrote:zombie wrote:how would the news and entertainment media be handled? how would you ensure that public opinion didn't shift away from what you want in the system?
Controlled censorship. Best way to make it work.
i am getting the sense from all of this that foo (and maybe reign too?) wants some sort of mix of north korea and an idealized 1950s america. but i want to give the chance to show that isn't the case. that their ideal would work with a more free and open media.
I want a better country that works for us all, zombs. This is the way.
well, foo seems to think it's inevitable that liberalism will implode and die. so if it happens in our lifetime, i guess we'll see what the outcome is.
Re: Crime, Poverty, and the Footopia
Posted: Fri Jun 23, 2017 5:57 pm
by zombie
Tiggnutz wrote:zombie wrote:Tiggnutz wrote:I hope people don't mistake my posts as some hunt for a conservative wonderland that's not my goal my goal is to show democrats and liberals have destoyed cities and generations of people. While we joke thousands of lives suffer.
conservatives only save lives and make us better as a nation.
Zombs it's just as simple as this one way doesn't work so why not try something else.
i think there is room to give and take and find what works best, somewhere in the middle between completely liberal and completely conservative.
Re: Crime, Poverty, and the Footopia
Posted: Fri Jun 23, 2017 5:58 pm
by Tiggnutz
I would rather have someone acknowledge a problem than ignore it or blame it on someone else and never try and fix it.
Re: Crime, Poverty, and the Footopia
Posted: Fri Jun 23, 2017 6:00 pm
by zombie
Tiggnutz wrote:I would rather have someone acknowledge a problem than ignore it or blame it on someone else and never try and fix it.
if i've ignored a problem, i never meant to. having different ideas on how to work it out, is not ignoring it.
Re: Crime, Poverty, and the Footopia
Posted: Fri Jun 23, 2017 6:02 pm
by Tiggnutz
If one day people said enough is enough fix it do you think they would be speaking to a liberal or a conservative? Answer is obvious
Re: Crime, Poverty, and the Footopia
Posted: Fri Jun 23, 2017 6:02 pm
by Reign in Blood
Tiggnutz wrote:I hope people don't mistake my posts as some hunt for a conservative wonderland that's not my goal my goal is to show democrats and liberals have destoyed cities and generations of people. While we joke thousands of lives suffer.
You're absolutely right. And that is why my vision included the independents and high-high libertarians into the bosom. And when the liberals on their side get their way and destroy their cities and generations of people with no one else to blame, some will see the light, and we will welcome them into the bosom as well. A bit extreme of Foo's tough love, but you can't make an omelet... my man. Boom, recipe #1 for the welfare folk.
Re: Crime, Poverty, and the Footopia
Posted: Fri Jun 23, 2017 6:04 pm
by zombie
Tiggnutz wrote:If one day people said enough is enough fix it do you think they would be speaking to a liberal or a conservative? Answer is obvious
conservative, cause liberals tend to push for more freedom.
Re: Crime, Poverty, and the Footopia
Posted: Fri Jun 23, 2017 6:06 pm
by Tiggnutz
zombie wrote:Tiggnutz wrote:I would rather have someone acknowledge a problem than ignore it or blame it on someone else and never try and fix it.
if i've ignored a problem, i never meant to. having different ideas on how to work it out, is not ignoring it.
Zombs I love you I dig your views on stuff. This is broader than us bigger than us
Re: Crime, Poverty, and the Footopia
Posted: Fri Jun 23, 2017 6:07 pm
by showa58taro
Tiggnutz wrote:Baltimore is on pace for the most deadly year in its history.
Tragedy. If only there were more prisons.
Re: Crime, Poverty, and the Footopia
Posted: Fri Jun 23, 2017 6:07 pm
by Tiggnutz
zombie wrote:Tiggnutz wrote:If one day people said enough is enough fix it do you think they would be speaking to a liberal or a conservative? Answer is obvious
conservative, cause liberals tend to push for more freedom.
What freedom do conservatives try and take
Re: Crime, Poverty, and the Footopia
Posted: Fri Jun 23, 2017 6:09 pm
by Tiggnutz
showa58taro wrote:Tiggnutz wrote:Baltimore is on pace for the most deadly year in its history.
Tragedy. If only there were more prisons.
Do you have a different take on what to do with criminals. Share.
Re: Crime, Poverty, and the Footopia
Posted: Fri Jun 23, 2017 6:09 pm
by Reign in Blood
zombie wrote:Tiggnutz wrote:If one day people said enough is enough fix it do you think they would be speaking to a liberal or a conservative? Answer is obvious
conservative, cause liberals tend to push for more freedom.
*bookmarked for eternity* That was some Mark Twain shit.
Re: Crime, Poverty, and the Footopia
Posted: Fri Jun 23, 2017 6:19 pm
by Tiggnutz
I think democrats breaking their current trend of identity politics will be a step in the right direction I would of thought their Empress losing to a goofball would of already done that but guess not. It will work itself out to the middle eventually.
Re: Crime, Poverty, and the Footopia
Posted: Fri Jun 23, 2017 6:21 pm
by Foo
Ideal conservative future: everyone is working and contributing. Families have two parents. Kids go to school, play outside and then come home for dinner.
Ideal liberal future: video ganes and welfare replace work. everyone is trying to figure out their gender while in a magic mushroom induced haze. People are not entirely sure if they have kids because they are not sure if they came in a male butthole or a vagina.
Re: Crime, Poverty, and the Footopia
Posted: Fri Jun 23, 2017 6:22 pm
by Reign in Blood
zombie wrote:Tiggnutz wrote:I hope people don't mistake my posts as some hunt for a conservative wonderland that's not my goal my goal is to show democrats and liberals have destoyed cities and generations of people. While we joke thousands of lives suffer.
conservatives only save lives and make us better as a nation.
This is interesting coupled with Foo's fact on the low success rate of AA. You know one thing that does reform a lot of drug users, addicts and criminals? Religion, when they find God. I am sure plenty use it as some half-assed attempt to find redemption that may never come even if it were true, but it's powerful none-the-less.
Re: Crime, Poverty, and the Footopia
Posted: Fri Jun 23, 2017 6:24 pm
by zombie
Foo wrote:
Ideal liberal future: video ganes and welfare replace work. everyone is trying to figure out their gender while in a magic mushroom induced haze. People are not entirely sure if they have kids because they are not sure if they came in a male butthole or a vagina.
quality trolljob.
Re: Crime, Poverty, and the Footopia
Posted: Fri Jun 23, 2017 6:27 pm
by zombie
Tiggnutz wrote:zombie wrote:Tiggnutz wrote:If one day people said enough is enough fix it do you think they would be speaking to a liberal or a conservative? Answer is obvious
conservative, cause liberals tend to push for more freedom.
What freedom do conservatives try and take
i think that conservatives (in generality. it's not true of every conservative) try to take away or restrict a lot of freedoms, where it comes to lifestyle, entertainment, and the like.