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Re: Liberals and the Manufactured Divide

Posted: Sat Nov 10, 2018 12:37 pm
by Headhunter
showa58taro wrote:Everyone should want everyone to vote and make it as easy as possible.
You mean "should" in a purely hypothetical reality where most demographics aren't a threat to Republican power? Because they're exactly right to not want most people to vote.

Re: Liberals and the Manufactured Divide

Posted: Sat Nov 10, 2018 1:07 pm
by Foo
Headhunter wrote:Btw, could the voting mechanisms in the U.S. be any more primitive? I realize there are a lot of safeguards to account for, but holy SHIT.
We could give everyone a marble.

Re: Liberals and the Manufactured Divide

Posted: Sat Nov 10, 2018 1:11 pm
by showa58taro
Foo wrote:
Headhunter wrote:Btw, could the voting mechanisms in the U.S. be any more primitive? I realize there are a lot of safeguards to account for, but holy SHIT.
We could give everyone a marble.
iPhones and androids now gone with more Biometrics than most tho Gs did 10 years ago. There’s no reason not to invest in e-voting, among the many things you could do. Any number of simplifyers would work.

Re: Liberals and the Manufactured Divide

Posted: Sat Nov 10, 2018 1:13 pm
by Foo
Headhunter wrote:
showa58taro wrote:Everyone should want everyone to vote and make it as easy as possible.
You mean "should" in a purely hypothetical reality where most demographics aren't a threat to Republican power? Because they're exactly right to not want most people to vote.
It wouldn't be that way if everyone was voting.

For one thing, there would hopefully be a return to a greater emphasis on the constitution, which is all real republicans ask for.

I think you would be surprised how many moderates would join the fray. It would be 100 million Foo's and 1 million Jiggy's.

Re: Liberals and the Manufactured Divide

Posted: Sat Nov 10, 2018 1:14 pm
by Foo
showa58taro wrote:
Foo wrote:
Headhunter wrote:Btw, could the voting mechanisms in the U.S. be any more primitive? I realize there are a lot of safeguards to account for, but holy SHIT.
We could give everyone a marble.
iPhones and androids now gone with more Biometrics than most tho Gs did 10 years ago. There’s no reason not to invest in e-voting, among the many things you could do. Any number of simplifyers would work.
Voting should not involve giving your biometric data to the state.

Re: Liberals and the Manufactured Divide

Posted: Sat Nov 10, 2018 1:27 pm
by showa58taro
Foo wrote:
showa58taro wrote:
Foo wrote:
Headhunter wrote:Btw, could the voting mechanisms in the U.S. be any more primitive? I realize there are a lot of safeguards to account for, but holy SHIT.
We could give everyone a marble.
iPhones and androids now gone with more Biometrics than most tho Gs did 10 years ago. There’s no reason not to invest in e-voting, among the many things you could do. Any number of simplifyers would work.
Voting should not involve giving your biometric data to the state.
So you want voting, but not fraudulent voting, but want to have no good way to verify voting?

Also anyone with a passport already has given biometric data to the state. As has anyone coming into your country for the last 10 years buddy.

Re: Liberals and the Manufactured Divide

Posted: Sat Nov 10, 2018 2:08 pm
by Foo
showa58taro wrote:
Foo wrote:
showa58taro wrote:
Foo wrote:
Headhunter wrote:Btw, could the voting mechanisms in the U.S. be any more primitive? I realize there are a lot of safeguards to account for, but holy SHIT.
We could give everyone a marble.
iPhones and androids now gone with more Biometrics than most tho Gs did 10 years ago. There’s no reason not to invest in e-voting, among the many things you could do. Any number of simplifyers would work.
Voting should not involve giving your biometric data to the state.
So you want voting, but not fraudulent voting, but want to have no good way to verify voting?

Also anyone with a passport already has given biometric data to the state. As has anyone coming into your country for the last 10 years buddy.
And? I have given up my data to work on the Census as well as to obtain a passport. Neither of those were fundamental rights. Voting is a fundamental right.

In no way shape or form should you be forced to give up such data without evidence you have committed a crime. Way too easily abused.

Re: Liberals and the Manufactured Divide

Posted: Sat Nov 10, 2018 3:16 pm
by Foo
Headhunter wrote:
showa58taro wrote:Everyone should want everyone to vote and make it as easy as possible.
You mean "should" in a purely hypothetical reality where most demographics aren't a threat to Republican power? Because they're exactly right to not want most people to vote.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/georgia-demo ... ction.html

Lol. It sure seems like Democrats are only looking for Democrat votes, not ALL votes.

"So, should we try to find some votes that might have been missed?"

"Make sure we only use the BLACK radio stations."

Re: Liberals and the Manufactured Divide

Posted: Sat Nov 10, 2018 3:24 pm
by showa58taro
Foo wrote:
showa58taro wrote:
Foo wrote:
showa58taro wrote:
Foo wrote:
Headhunter wrote:Btw, could the voting mechanisms in the U.S. be any more primitive? I realize there are a lot of safeguards to account for, but holy SHIT.
We could give everyone a marble.
iPhones and androids now gone with more Biometrics than most tho Gs did 10 years ago. There’s no reason not to invest in e-voting, among the many things you could do. Any number of simplifyers would work.
Voting should not involve giving your biometric data to the state.
So you want voting, but not fraudulent voting, but want to have no good way to verify voting?

Also anyone with a passport already has given biometric data to the state. As has anyone coming into your country for the last 10 years buddy.
And? I have given up my data to work on the Census as well as to obtain a passport. Neither of those were fundamental rights. Voting is a fundamental right.

In no way shape or form should you be forced to give up such data without evidence you have committed a crime. Way too easily abused.
What’s your solution? I mean I’m allfor just having people give their name and voting.

Re: Liberals and the Manufactured Divide

Posted: Sat Nov 10, 2018 3:26 pm
by showa58taro
Foo wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
showa58taro wrote:Everyone should want everyone to vote and make it as easy as possible.
You mean "should" in a purely hypothetical reality where most demographics aren't a threat to Republican power? Because they're exactly right to not want most people to vote.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/georgia-demo ... ction.html

Lol. It sure seems like Democrats are only looking for Democrat votes, not ALL votes.

"So, should we try to find some votes that might have been missed?"

"Make sure we only use the BLACK radio stations."
Black radio stations?

All votes need to be counted. Votes from black communities appear to have been lost/ignored/discounted. This seems a solution though it’s nit the only one. I saw 8 different tweets about Georgia votes and calling to confirm etc. I’m a white guy in London. Clearly it’s not just minorities who can hear and see these messages.

Re: Liberals and the Manufactured Divide

Posted: Sat Nov 10, 2018 3:30 pm
by Headhunter
Foo wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
showa58taro wrote:Everyone should want everyone to vote and make it as easy as possible.
You mean "should" in a purely hypothetical reality where most demographics aren't a threat to Republican power? Because they're exactly right to not want most people to vote.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/georgia-demo ... ction.html

Lol. It sure seems like Democrats are only looking for Democrat votes, not ALL votes.

"So, should we try to find some votes that might have been missed?"

"Make sure we only use the BLACK radio stations."
That's a consequence of Republican cuntery.

Re: Liberals and the Manufactured Divide

Posted: Sat Nov 10, 2018 4:15 pm
by Foo
showa58taro wrote:
Foo wrote:
showa58taro wrote:
Foo wrote:
showa58taro wrote:
Foo wrote:
Headhunter wrote:Btw, could the voting mechanisms in the U.S. be any more primitive? I realize there are a lot of safeguards to account for, but holy SHIT.
We could give everyone a marble.
iPhones and androids now gone with more Biometrics than most tho Gs did 10 years ago. There’s no reason not to invest in e-voting, among the many things you could do. Any number of simplifyers would work.
Voting should not involve giving your biometric data to the state.
So you want voting, but not fraudulent voting, but want to have no good way to verify voting?

Also anyone with a passport already has given biometric data to the state. As has anyone coming into your country for the last 10 years buddy.
And? I have given up my data to work on the Census as well as to obtain a passport. Neither of those were fundamental rights. Voting is a fundamental right.

In no way shape or form should you be forced to give up such data without evidence you have committed a crime. Way too easily abused.
What’s your solution? I mean I’m allfor just having people give their name and voting.
Drivers licenses marked with eligibility and those without get a free ID card with such eligibility confirmed.

Re: Liberals and the Manufactured Divide

Posted: Sat Nov 10, 2018 4:53 pm
by Jmac Attack
How did people vote before IDs?

Re: Liberals and the Manufactured Divide

Posted: Sat Nov 10, 2018 4:54 pm
by Jmac Attack
Foo wrote:
showa58taro wrote:
Foo wrote:
showa58taro wrote:
Foo wrote:
showa58taro wrote:
Foo wrote:
Headhunter wrote:Btw, could the voting mechanisms in the U.S. be any more primitive? I realize there are a lot of safeguards to account for, but holy SHIT.
We could give everyone a marble.
iPhones and androids now gone with more Biometrics than most tho Gs did 10 years ago. There’s no reason not to invest in e-voting, among the many things you could do. Any number of simplifyers would work.
Voting should not involve giving your biometric data to the state.
So you want voting, but not fraudulent voting, but want to have no good way to verify voting?

Also anyone with a passport already has given biometric data to the state. As has anyone coming into your country for the last 10 years buddy.
And? I have given up my data to work on the Census as well as to obtain a passport. Neither of those were fundamental rights. Voting is a fundamental right.

In no way shape or form should you be forced to give up such data without evidence you have committed a crime. Way too easily abused.
What’s your solution? I mean I’m allfor just having people give their name and voting.
Drivers licenses marked with eligibility and those without get a free ID card with such eligibility confirmed.
Who is paying for those free IDs? Obamerghard? Lol

In all seriousness, that's not a bad idea, Foo.

Re: Liberals and the Manufactured Divide

Posted: Sat Nov 10, 2018 4:59 pm
by showa58taro
Jmac Attack wrote:How did people vote before IDs?
Being white.

Re: Liberals and the Manufactured Divide

Posted: Sat Nov 10, 2018 5:00 pm
by Jmac Attack
showa58taro wrote:
Jmac Attack wrote:How did people vote before IDs?
Being white.
Lmao! :lol:

Re: Liberals and the Manufactured Divide

Posted: Sat Nov 10, 2018 5:02 pm
by Jmac Attack
I had to show ID when I voted, but I think I have had to all my life? I can't remember. But I think everyone deserves the right to vote. Like the guy who decided to buy diapers for his baby instead of an ID.

Re: Liberals and the Manufactured Divide

Posted: Sat Nov 10, 2018 5:32 pm
by DancesWithWerewolves
Jmac Attack wrote:I had to show ID when I voted, but I think I have had to all my life? I can't remember. But I think everyone deserves the right to vote. Like the guy who decided to buy diapers for his baby instead of an ID.
In Cali all you need to do is say a street name in the area and they don't bother confirming it.

Re: Liberals and the Manufactured Divide

Posted: Sat Nov 10, 2018 6:20 pm
by showa58taro
DancesWithWerewolves wrote:
Jmac Attack wrote:I had to show ID when I voted, but I think I have had to all my life? I can't remember. But I think everyone deserves the right to vote. Like the guy who decided to buy diapers for his baby instead of an ID.
In Cali all you need to do is say a street name in the area and they don't bother confirming it.
But you need to be registered?

Re: Liberals and the Manufactured Divide

Posted: Sat Nov 10, 2018 6:30 pm
by DancesWithWerewolves
showa58taro wrote:
DancesWithWerewolves wrote:
Jmac Attack wrote:I had to show ID when I voted, but I think I have had to all my life? I can't remember. But I think everyone deserves the right to vote. Like the guy who decided to buy diapers for his baby instead of an ID.
In Cali all you need to do is say a street name in the area and they don't bother confirming it.
But you need to be registered?
That's the claim. I do the mail-in vote thing now so I don't have to deal with standing in line or the pressure of figuring out how things are worded right on the spot, but before, I was shocked at how they wouldn't cross reference anything, so long as you said a street name that's in the district.