Liberal Hollywood and the Pedophilia Problem

[Foo]

#MeToo

I have been hugged by more co-workers than I can count. I do not like to be touched by anyone I am not intimate with. This includes friends or family. I have been hugged from behind, around my neck, and around my waist. I have had my butt patted, my shoulders rubbed, and my biceps squeezed, all without my consent. I have been subjected to females grinding their vaginas into my leg and touching my penis at bars. I have had tongues forced into my mouth and ear by intoxicated women.

#MeToo

[Reign in Blood]

We can't pick and choose. I support gun ownership because I support the ability of the average citizen to defend theirselves. If Rose McGowen had a gun, she could have killed Weinstein as he tried to rape her.

In doing so, I am complicit in the unintended consequences, as well. I take responsibility. Do you?

i take responsibility for my actions. not for the actions of others who happen to have something or do something in common with me, nor for people i watch on tv.

i also don't take credit when those people i watch on tv win an oscar/emmy. i don't take credit for the good they accomplish. i don't take responsibility for the wrong they commit.

You don't have to take responsibility, you are outright supporting it with your time and money. Just like with me and the NFL. Simply watching is support. They make money based on my viewership.

Good one. Because of all the kneeling during the anthem snafu, viewership is down and most of their major sponsors/affiliates are feeling the pain of people boycotting shit they don't like. You are either complicit in supporting it or not. The side is the bottom line. Pick one!

[zombie]

Even in analogy 1, is it that different then saying "watch how you dress, don't get too drunk, don't be alone with that scuzzy dude" etc. and then when it's all ignored and it happens you scrutinize (or shame in liberal terms)? Let me tell you, if that boy did get jumped and was even hospitalized, I still would have been saying you fucking idiot, I done told you! Remember, zombs, victims aren't we all.

Like most anything, it's not all black and white. But we can't operate by this mob rule court of public opinion shit. My main point of contention is that by the day each guy that is accused, their life's work (if not their lives in general) are getting buried. For Weinstein, Spacey, Ratner, Toback, I have no reason not to believe the accusers, and thus they may very well deserve it. But the #MeToo shit is even the level of goosing a butt, where does it end? Some things you gotta stand up for yourself with, and the more serious, go to the police as has been said.

would you ask if that guy was really jumped or attacked? would you ask "why would someone jump you?"

i thought i made it clear that i don't want a witch hunt or mob rule? false accusation is a part of the problem. but i'm not going to pretend that disbelief and accusation against a victim is not part of the problem as well.

the "me too" thing does not seem to be about convicting people. it seems to be showing solidarity and support for those who have gone through something similar. letting them know that they can / should speak up and come forward. it's trying for a sense of safety or comfort for those that remain silent. granted, those people should be encouraged to speak up in their communities. among their family/friends, and to the authorities, supposing it's something recent that they can prove happened.

[Foo]

And let me clarify the difference between Spacey and Weinstein from what we know thus far.

Spacey was molesting kids. Weinstein was using his power and influence on women, and so many of the stories are iffy. It is tough to take some of these things seriously when you see the photos of him with the women AFTER these assaults occurred. Plus, some of these stories where the woman was allegedly sexually assaulted by him, and then continue going back to his hotel room are pretty dubious. That is more consistent with prostitution than violent rape.

[zombie]

We can't pick and choose. I support gun ownership because I support the ability of the average citizen to defend theirselves. If Rose McGowen had a gun, she could have killed Weinstein as he tried to rape her.

In doing so, I am complicit in the unintended consequences, as well. I take responsibility. Do you?

i take responsibility for my actions. not for the actions of others who happen to have something or do something in common with me, nor for people i watch on tv.

i also don't take credit when those people i watch on tv win an oscar/emmy. i don't take credit for the good they accomplish. i don't take responsibility for the wrong they commit.

You don't have to take responsibility, you are outright supporting it with your time and money. Just like with me and the NFL. Simply watching is support. They make money based on my viewership.

and when they win the superbowl, you did that!

[Foo]

"Why were you jumped?"

"Didn't we talk about going to those pool halls after midnight?"

"Didn't we talk about not wearing your rolex and acting like a big shot in bars?"

"Didn't we talk about going out and getting drunk among rough characters?"

"Didn't we talk about avoiding fights rather than instigating them?"

[Foo]

We can't pick and choose. I support gun ownership because I support the ability of the average citizen to defend theirselves. If Rose McGowen had a gun, she could have killed Weinstein as he tried to rape her.

In doing so, I am complicit in the unintended consequences, as well. I take responsibility. Do you?

i take responsibility for my actions. not for the actions of others who happen to have something or do something in common with me, nor for people i watch on tv.

i also don't take credit when those people i watch on tv win an oscar/emmy. i don't take credit for the good they accomplish. i don't take responsibility for the wrong they commit.

You don't have to take responsibility, you are outright supporting it with your time and money. Just like with me and the NFL. Simply watching is support. They make money based on my viewership.

and when they win the superbowl, you did that!

Home field advantage is a thing. Also, revenues are a thing. Both help teams win.

Of course, the NFL as a whole always has a Super Bowl Champion, so I am not sure where you are going with that.

Do you think Weinstein could continue making films without people watching them?

[zombie]

We can't pick and choose. I support gun ownership because I support the ability of the average citizen to defend theirselves. If Rose McGowen had a gun, she could have killed Weinstein as he tried to rape her.

In doing so, I am complicit in the unintended consequences, as well. I take responsibility. Do you?

i take responsibility for my actions. not for the actions of others who happen to have something or do something in common with me, nor for people i watch on tv.

i also don't take credit when those people i watch on tv win an oscar/emmy. i don't take credit for the good they accomplish. i don't take responsibility for the wrong they commit.

You don't have to take responsibility, you are outright supporting it with your time and money. Just like with me and the NFL. Simply watching is support. They make money based on my viewership.

and when they win the superbowl, you did that!

Home field advantage is a thing. Also, revenues are a thing. Both help teams win.

Of course, the NFL as a whole always has a Super Bowl Champion, so I am not sure where you are going with that.

Do you think Weinstein could continue making films without people watching them?

you know where i was going, you just want to be dismissive. that's fair play.

no, i don't. i've supported him producing films, because i've paid for them directly. i didn't tell him to force himself onto rose mcgowan or ashley judd.

[Foo]

We cannot pick and choose. I have supported the hollywood culture and was complicit. As are you. Just because you are not comfortable with it does not make it less true.

[zombie]

i'm not comfortable taking responsibility for other people's successes or wrongdoings. but if you are, then fair enough.

[zombie]

if you listen to nirvana. you killed kurt cobain. if you watch the revenant, you won leonardo dicaprio an oscar. i don't buy either. but if you do, cool.

[Foo]

Triggered.

[zombie]

those who can't reason, mock.

[Foo]

those who can't reason, mock.

Do you consider your previous two posts to be mocking?

[zombie]

those who can't reason, mock.

Do you consider your previous two posts to be mocking?

nope. mocking was not my intention.

[Dream]

Dream, not one person in this thread even had the thought that you'd be lying. Get out of here with that.

Why not? I never went to the police, no evidence was ever gathered. I said it happened, he says it didn't. Three of the guys from when I was a kid are dead now so they can't defend themselves against my claims.

What benefit do I have over another accuser that your statements about accusers lying for revenge or money don't apply to me or my claims?

[Dream]

Also, people who are dramatic about an ass pat do more damage to assault victims than anyone. People who continue to support the HOLLYWOOD culture by consuming what they produce are also complicit.

I am complicit because I don't really care.

An ass pat would be harassment not assault, both were covered under that campaign so accusations were broad. What one person would consider harassment another would be fine with. I've been hugged and kissed by people I didn't want to touch me, but I know their intentions were only in being friendly not sexual so I wrote that off as just me being overly sensitive to being touched and don't consider that harassment. On the other hand an old guy following me out behind the building where I worked at 16 and propositioning me was harassment even though he didn't touch me during the encounter. Context matters in all of these cases and I'm not arguing otherwise.

[Dream]

And yes, if you claim you are mugged or the victim of some other crime, you are expected to go to the police with evidence to get justice. There are a million scammers out there claiming theft, cancer, and everything else to get money and sympathy, especially in the gofundme era.

I agree, but generally the people who go to the police after a mugging or another crime are generally not seen as looking to get even or being vindictive when filing the report, nor do they have to prove they didn't deserve what happened to them. On top of which the police aren't known to try and convince people not to file a report for stuff stolen out of an unlocked car, but they are known to try and talk assault victims out of filing reports.

Recently in the town I lived in Alabama, a 14 year old girl was raped by her aunt's friend and the girl's little sister ran to get help from a neighbor. When the cops took her to the hospital to get a rape kit done, the hospital didn't have one, neither did the police station. Someone had to drive to another town to get one for the girl. My cousin told me it wasn't even a day before rumors of the girl just being a drugged up prostitute started swirling around while they were saying the guy was really a good guy who was having his life ruined cause the seven year old didn't understand what was *really* happening. That's all kinds of fucked up, but that's the norm there, that's the kind of thinking I grew up around. Excuses are made for the guys who rape and the girls are cut down to having deserved it for reasons that usually aren't even true. Her attack was filed because the guy was caught in the act. I know of other girls who were raped that never filed cause they were afraid of what the people in town would say about them.

I'm guessing that if the same stigma was applied to theft the results would be the same, fewer reports of theft rather than less occurrences of theft.

[Dream]

Did seem like a topic about pedophilia in the entertainment business morphed into something else. Some creepy misogynistic thing.

Let us not act like there has been no woman to come out of the blue to make accusations for an opportunistic means at personal gain or revenge.

Not to misconstrue, the "casting couch" has always been real and doing potentially degrading things for roles, this isn't some shocking thing. But let's all come out of the woodwork and act outraged now! Come on.

Foo and Jadon (and now I guess kind of you) are the reason that women don’t come out more and are often unwilling to report these assaults. Of course it’s not worth reporting when it’s hard to prove one way or another, and coming out leads to exactly this kind of misogyny and defamation of character. It’s truly depressing to see that you have as a default assumption that dudes are innocents but women are guilty, greedy liars. And that’s the reality of it.

If the #MeToo showed anything it’s that these things that women don’t want to have happen, are occurring at a way higher rate than thought before. It’s shocking to see, but it’s more shocking to then see you all go off on how women are the problem here.

It also should be noted that groups coming forward is actually the most likely thing because people feel safer and it looks more legitimate to have others. It leads to higher conviction rates and a more lengthy sentence. Because it points to long term patterned behaviour. Hence the “why wait till now” but, which is coupled with having to deal with the putrid attitude of assuming the woman is lying because the rich powerful men who say to people “they’ll let you do anything, grab them by the pussy” are clearly not likely to do inappropriate things.

Do we want justice or mob rule? Men are grabbed too. Shit happens, move on. If we constantly cry about victimization, it just creates a class of people who believe they are lesser. Don't teach them to cry, teach them to fight. If you are grabbed by the pussy, gouge out an eye, don't talk about it on Twitter ten years later.

Ideally that is what girls and boys growing up now will be taught. I wasn't. I was taught you keep quiet and I saw the consequences of not keeping quiet in my house. It's incredibly easy to say "Shit happens, move on" it's much harder to actually do it.

I mean hell, I was afraid to cross the street on my own cause it broke the rules. My family teases me about being a goody-two-shoes cause of my fear of not doing as I'm told, but the consequences of breaking rules in my house was being held down on the ground by your neck with a shotgun in your face. My cousins never saw that side of my dad, and my mom forbid us to talk about it to anyone and actively told us that stuff never happened if we brought it up. When my sister called the cops to report my dad, she was kicked out of the house. So yeah, afraid to contact the cops, afraid to speak up for myself, and afraid to even step slightly out of line because that's what I was taught. I still hesitate to cross the street when I'm alone cause it's really fucking hard to stop that mindset when you saw it as a requirement for your survival.

[DancesWithWerewolves]

Corey dropped a name!

http://www.eonline.com/news/891240/core ... al-abusers

He was in License to Drive and Dream A Little Dream.