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zombie wrote:outing someone as gay or trans. revealing that someone is a rapist. revealing that someone has cheated on their wife. revealing that someone slept with a prostitute. it should all be treated the same way, seemed to be what you were going for.
I think it should all be kept private. I believe everyone deserves that, celebrity or not. Let's say two people sleep together, one is married. Why does anyone get to use that information as a weapon or for profit? Do you know that is outside the bounds of their marriage? Do you know if perhaps they were in a bad place and separated?

Same with being gay or trans. No one should have the right to weaponize or profit from that, regardless of whether they slept with them or not.

Between the rapid spread of information, the permanence, and the tabloid nature of our media, I feel like we have entered a bad time.
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zombie wrote:outing someone as gay or trans. revealing that someone is a rapist. revealing that someone has cheated on their wife. revealing that someone slept with a prostitute. it should all be treated the same way, seemed to be what you were going for.
I think it should all be kept private. I believe everyone deserves that, celebrity or not. Let's say two people sleep together, one is married. Why does anyone get to use that information as a weapon or for profit? Do you know that is outside the bounds of their marriage? Do you know if perhaps they were in a bad place and separated?

Same with being gay or trans. No one should have the right to weaponize or profit from that, regardless of whether they slept with them or not.

Between the rapid spread of information, the permanence, and the tabloid nature of our media, I feel like we have entered a bad time.
if you rape or violate someone, there is no "deserve" about keeping that private. not under any circumstances.

if you cheat, there is no "deserve" about keeping that private from your family or significant other. not under any circumstances.

as for the rest, you're right. it should not be used against you. it should be kept private. but if you present yourself as not sleeping with a prostitute, as an example, and it comes you have.. then that's between you and whoever gave you the position that you felt you needed to lie in order to gain that position.
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zombie wrote:outing someone as gay or trans. revealing that someone is a rapist. revealing that someone has cheated on their wife. revealing that someone slept with a prostitute. it should all be treated the same way, seemed to be what you were going for.
If someone is a rapist, I have no problem with their face being plastered all over town, because others need to know to watch out for them, or at least be wary.

If someone is gay, that hurts no one, so no one has any right to out such a person.
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zombie wrote:
Foo wrote:
zombie wrote:outing someone as gay or trans. revealing that someone is a rapist. revealing that someone has cheated on their wife. revealing that someone slept with a prostitute. it should all be treated the same way, seemed to be what you were going for.
I think it should all be kept private. I believe everyone deserves that, celebrity or not. Let's say two people sleep together, one is married. Why does anyone get to use that information as a weapon or for profit? Do you know that is outside the bounds of their marriage? Do you know if perhaps they were in a bad place and separated?

Same with being gay or trans. No one should have the right to weaponize or profit from that, regardless of whether they slept with them or not.

Between the rapid spread of information, the permanence, and the tabloid nature of our media, I feel like we have entered a bad time.
if you rape or violate someone, there is no "deserve" about keeping that private. not under any circumstances.

if you cheat, there is no "deserve" about keeping that private from your family or significant other. not under any circumstances.

as for the rest, you're right. it should not be used against you. it should be kept private. but if you present yourself as not sleeping with a prostitute, as an example, and it comes you have.. then that's between you and whoever gave you the position that you felt you needed to lie in order to gain that position.
Crimes should be reported to the police. Simple as that. Should not be weaponized as media assisted blackmail.

The problem is a third party determining what is cheating in a relationship they are not in and also, who is "family"?

What jobs are given based on private sex lives?
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Crimes should be reported to the police. Simple as that. Should not be weaponized as media assisted blackmail.

The problem is a third party determining what is cheating in a relationship they are not in and also, who is "family"?

What jobs are given based on private sex lives?
the rape should be reported to the police. no one should be blackmailed or made to be silent about it. but the rapist does not deserve silence or privacy about that act either.

family, to me, is direct family. spouse / significant other, and children with that spouse or significant other. in this regard at least, everyone else can fuck off. :P

people are given jobs, all the time, based on an image. if that image is false, those employers (or voters in the case of a politician) deserve to know. sexual preference aside. that should make no more difference than religion, gender, or race does.. in general.
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zombie wrote:
Foo wrote:
Crimes should be reported to the police. Simple as that. Should not be weaponized as media assisted blackmail.

The problem is a third party determining what is cheating in a relationship they are not in and also, who is "family"?

What jobs are given based on private sex lives?
the rape should be reported to the police. no one should be blackmailed or made to be silent about it. but the rapist does not deserve silence or privacy about that act either.

family, to me, is direct family. spouse / significant other, and children with that spouse or significant other. in this regard at least, everyone else can fuck off. :P

people are given jobs, all the time, based on an image. if that image is false, those employers (or voters in the case of a politician) deserve to know. sexual preference aside. that should make no more difference than religion, gender, or race does.. in general.
I kinda feel like until they are convicted, they do deserve privacy. You shouldn't be able to splash mud over everyone's name who you believe wronged you. That is why we have courts of law.

So you think you can take it upon yourself to tell the child of someone you slept with that their parent is a cheater? How can you be 100% sure that it was even cheating unless you are in their relationship? Would you have the right to splash it all over social media as well?

Being elected is not "given a job". Also, it is weird to think you know the exact reasons why a person was elected. Was it fair game for people to declare Obama was a Muslim because they thought he was? I don't think that is fair at all.
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Jigsaw wrote:
zombie wrote:outing someone as gay or trans. revealing that someone is a rapist. revealing that someone has cheated on their wife. revealing that someone slept with a prostitute. it should all be treated the same way, seemed to be what you were going for.
If someone is a rapist, I have no problem with their face being plastered all over town, because others need to know to watch out for them, or at least be wary.

If someone is gay, that hurts no one, so no one has any right to out such a person.
How about the time when the person is falsely accused? Are you cool with their face having been plastered all over town?

Ask the wives of gay men who end up with AIDS from their husband if him being gay hurt them.
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Foo wrote:
Jigsaw wrote:
zombie wrote:outing someone as gay or trans. revealing that someone is a rapist. revealing that someone has cheated on their wife. revealing that someone slept with a prostitute. it should all be treated the same way, seemed to be what you were going for.
If someone is a rapist, I have no problem with their face being plastered all over town, because others need to know to watch out for them, or at least be wary.

If someone is gay, that hurts no one, so no one has any right to out such a person.
How about the time when the person is falsely accused? Are you cool with their face having been plastered all over town?

Ask the wives of gay men who end up with AIDS from their husband if him being gay hurt them.
If it turns out that the individual was indeed falsely accused, that's great. But I would rather people know beforehand any possible danger of sexual assault or rape as opposed to a rapist sexually assaulting multiple others because they have some right to "privacy."

Being gay didn't hurt the wives. Living in a society that looks down upon homosexuals and caused the gay men to marry women in the first place is the problem. Ideally, if a gay man knows he has aids, he should leave the wife, be honest with her, or at the very least, stop having sex with her. But it all depends on the situation.
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Foo wrote:
I kinda feel like until they are convicted, they do deserve privacy. You shouldn't be able to splash mud over everyone's name who you believe wronged you. That is why we have courts of law.

So you think you can take it upon yourself to tell the child of someone you slept with that their parent is a cheater? How can you be 100% sure that it was even cheating unless you are in their relationship? Would you have the right to splash it all over social media as well?

Being elected is not "given a job". Also, it is weird to think you know the exact reasons why a person was elected. Was it fair game for people to declare Obama was a Muslim because they thought he was? I don't think that is fair at all.
"believe wronged you" vs. "actually wronged you"... there's a difference. and when it comes to rape, i do think they should have mud on their name, if they actually did it. similar to child molesters.

go to the spouse of the person you "cheated" with. let them decide how or if to tell the children.

they declared him a lot more than a muslim, because they thought he was. and no it shouldn't be fair game. i said that already. also, remember not to make this political. :P
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Jigsaw wrote:
Foo wrote:
Jigsaw wrote:
zombie wrote:outing someone as gay or trans. revealing that someone is a rapist. revealing that someone has cheated on their wife. revealing that someone slept with a prostitute. it should all be treated the same way, seemed to be what you were going for.
If someone is a rapist, I have no problem with their face being plastered all over town, because others need to know to watch out for them, or at least be wary.

If someone is gay, that hurts no one, so no one has any right to out such a person.
How about the time when the person is falsely accused? Are you cool with their face having been plastered all over town?

Ask the wives of gay men who end up with AIDS from their husband if him being gay hurt them.
If it turns out that the individual was indeed falsely accused, that's great. But I would rather people know beforehand any possible danger of sexual assault or rape as opposed to a rapist sexually assaulting multiple others because they have some right to "privacy."

Being gay didn't hurt the wives. Living in a society that looks down upon homosexuals and caused the gay men to marry women in the first place is the problem. Ideally, if a gay man knows he has aids, he should leave the wife, be honest with her, or at the very least, stop having sex with her. But it all depends on the situation.
Do you know how many people are ostracized because people think they look creepy and rumors are spread? And how it impacts their lives? You think we should be free to spread around shit about anyone we don't like and then just disappear when it is proved otherwise. That sounds like an awful society.

Some gay men want a family and are not gay the entire time. I worked with one. He and his wife split when his child became an adult.
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zombie wrote:
Foo wrote:
I kinda feel like until they are convicted, they do deserve privacy. You shouldn't be able to splash mud over everyone's name who you believe wronged you. That is why we have courts of law.

So you think you can take it upon yourself to tell the child of someone you slept with that their parent is a cheater? How can you be 100% sure that it was even cheating unless you are in their relationship? Would you have the right to splash it all over social media as well?

Being elected is not "given a job". Also, it is weird to think you know the exact reasons why a person was elected. Was it fair game for people to declare Obama was a Muslim because they thought he was? I don't think that is fair at all.
"believe wronged you" vs. "actually wronged you"... there's a difference. and when it comes to rape, i do think they should have mud on their name, if they actually did it. similar to child molesters.

go to the spouse of the person you "cheated" with. let them decide how or if to tell the children.

they declared him a lot more than a muslim, because they thought he was. and no it shouldn't be fair game. i said that already. also, remember not to make this political. :P
You think rape is always clear? Remember the Asia Argento story? She did not protest his advances and she "pretended" to enjoy herself. Then she went on to have a multi-year relationship with him that included vacations and family visits. That is a hell of a rape.

So, knowingly have sex with someone who is married, and then run to their spouse. Sounds classy and interesting.

Could also be any athlete or public figure. Around draft time, it is not at all uncommon for some rat to crawl out of the woodwork and float the notion of a rape to get money, because even the slightest doubt can cause a player to slide down picks and lose millions. So even if not true, they pay them for silence. Numerous cases of this.
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Foo wrote:
Jigsaw wrote:
Foo wrote:
Jigsaw wrote:
zombie wrote:outing someone as gay or trans. revealing that someone is a rapist. revealing that someone has cheated on their wife. revealing that someone slept with a prostitute. it should all be treated the same way, seemed to be what you were going for.
If someone is a rapist, I have no problem with their face being plastered all over town, because others need to know to watch out for them, or at least be wary.

If someone is gay, that hurts no one, so no one has any right to out such a person.
How about the time when the person is falsely accused? Are you cool with their face having been plastered all over town?

Ask the wives of gay men who end up with AIDS from their husband if him being gay hurt them.
If it turns out that the individual was indeed falsely accused, that's great. But I would rather people know beforehand any possible danger of sexual assault or rape as opposed to a rapist sexually assaulting multiple others because they have some right to "privacy."

Being gay didn't hurt the wives. Living in a society that looks down upon homosexuals and caused the gay men to marry women in the first place is the problem. Ideally, if a gay man knows he has aids, he should leave the wife, be honest with her, or at the very least, stop having sex with her. But it all depends on the situation.
Do you know how many people are ostracized because people think they look creepy and rumors are spread? And how it impacts their lives? You think we should be free to spread around shit about anyone we don't like and then just disappear when it is proved otherwise. That sounds like an awful society.

Some gay men want a family and are not gay the entire time. I worked with one. He and his wife split when his child became an adult.
He was gay all time. He just apparently didn't want to leave his marriage before his son grew up. But he was gay during all of it. If he wasn't, then he'd be bisexual, not gay.

And I didn't say those who make, what turn out to be, false accusations get to go hide. I think there should be investigations into why they made that allegation, and depending on the findings ("Oh, I was just pissed he keyed my car, so I made up a story of how he took advantage of me"), then I think there should be penalties, be it fines or short terms in jail.
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Between 1,000,000 people being falsely accused of rape and a dozen rapists running free because no one spoke out against them, I'll gladly go with the first one.
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Jigsaw wrote:
Foo wrote:
Jigsaw wrote:
Foo wrote:
Jigsaw wrote:
zombie wrote:outing someone as gay or trans. revealing that someone is a rapist. revealing that someone has cheated on their wife. revealing that someone slept with a prostitute. it should all be treated the same way, seemed to be what you were going for.
If someone is a rapist, I have no problem with their face being plastered all over town, because others need to know to watch out for them, or at least be wary.

If someone is gay, that hurts no one, so no one has any right to out such a person.
How about the time when the person is falsely accused? Are you cool with their face having been plastered all over town?

Ask the wives of gay men who end up with AIDS from their husband if him being gay hurt them.
If it turns out that the individual was indeed falsely accused, that's great. But I would rather people know beforehand any possible danger of sexual assault or rape as opposed to a rapist sexually assaulting multiple others because they have some right to "privacy."

Being gay didn't hurt the wives. Living in a society that looks down upon homosexuals and caused the gay men to marry women in the first place is the problem. Ideally, if a gay man knows he has aids, he should leave the wife, be honest with her, or at the very least, stop having sex with her. But it all depends on the situation.
Do you know how many people are ostracized because people think they look creepy and rumors are spread? And how it impacts their lives? You think we should be free to spread around shit about anyone we don't like and then just disappear when it is proved otherwise. That sounds like an awful society.

Some gay men want a family and are not gay the entire time. I worked with one. He and his wife split when his child became an adult.
He was gay all time. He just apparently didn't want to leave his marriage before his son grew up. But he was gay during all of it. If he wasn't, then he'd be bisexual, not gay.

And I didn't say those who make, what turn out to be, false accusations get to go hide. I think there should be investigations into why they made that allegation, and depending on the findings ("Oh, I was just pissed he keyed my car, so I made up a story of how he took advantage of me"), then I think there should be penalties, be it fines or short terms in jail.
He is an intelligent, articulate gentleman who is mega successful. I think I will take his description of his own sexuality over your description of his sexuality.

Have you considered that sometimes people make false allegations that they actually believe? You gonna fine them or put them is jail? Why not let it play out the way it is supposed to, through the legal system?
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Jigsaw wrote:Between 1,000,000 people being falsely accused of rape and a dozen rapists running free because no one spoke out against them, I'll gladly go with the first one.
You gonna clean up the blood and brain spatter from the people who raped no one but put a shotgun in their mouth and ended their life because they were being judged by the mob based on a story and not by evidence?

Imagine you and a girl get drunk and mess around. She reconciles with her jealous boyfriend, and it is later discovered she has your baby in her. Maybe that drunk night gets spun a little but different...
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Foo wrote:
Jigsaw wrote:
Foo wrote:
Jigsaw wrote:
Foo wrote:
Jigsaw wrote:
zombie wrote:outing someone as gay or trans. revealing that someone is a rapist. revealing that someone has cheated on their wife. revealing that someone slept with a prostitute. it should all be treated the same way, seemed to be what you were going for.
If someone is a rapist, I have no problem with their face being plastered all over town, because others need to know to watch out for them, or at least be wary.

If someone is gay, that hurts no one, so no one has any right to out such a person.
How about the time when the person is falsely accused? Are you cool with their face having been plastered all over town?

Ask the wives of gay men who end up with AIDS from their husband if him being gay hurt them.
If it turns out that the individual was indeed falsely accused, that's great. But I would rather people know beforehand any possible danger of sexual assault or rape as opposed to a rapist sexually assaulting multiple others because they have some right to "privacy."

Being gay didn't hurt the wives. Living in a society that looks down upon homosexuals and caused the gay men to marry women in the first place is the problem. Ideally, if a gay man knows he has aids, he should leave the wife, be honest with her, or at the very least, stop having sex with her. But it all depends on the situation.
Do you know how many people are ostracized because people think they look creepy and rumors are spread? And how it impacts their lives? You think we should be free to spread around shit about anyone we don't like and then just disappear when it is proved otherwise. That sounds like an awful society.

Some gay men want a family and are not gay the entire time. I worked with one. He and his wife split when his child became an adult.
He was gay all time. He just apparently didn't want to leave his marriage before his son grew up. But he was gay during all of it. If he wasn't, then he'd be bisexual, not gay.

And I didn't say those who make, what turn out to be, false accusations get to go hide. I think there should be investigations into why they made that allegation, and depending on the findings ("Oh, I was just pissed he keyed my car, so I made up a story of how he took advantage of me"), then I think there should be penalties, be it fines or short terms in jail.
He is an intelligent, articulate gentleman who is mega successful. I think I will take his description of his own sexuality over your description of his sexuality.

Have you considered that sometimes people make false allegations that they actually believe? You gonna fine them or put them is jail? Why not let it play out the way it is supposed to, through the legal system?
Well, since I've seen no evidence that people can choose their sexual orientation, I will maintain my belief that he was always gay or bisexual.

Sure, but if someone is making a false allegation that they believe to be true, how is that verified? I have no idea, but if it can be verified, of course you wouldn't demand jail time or fines. If they believed the allegation true, then the innocent individual accused can accept an apology and move on.

Because some police officers ask women what they are wearing when an alleged rape occurs, which doesn't matter. Women are raped and never file reports, and when they do, they get gag orders from the courts so they can't talk about it.

For women and victims of rape in this country, the legal system right now is a joke. If a woman is raped, the first thing I would recommend doing, after medical care and a rape kit (many of which are never processed) is to publicly out the individual who raped them, and then go to the authorities to see if they'll do anything about it.
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Foo wrote:
Jigsaw wrote:Between 1,000,000 people being falsely accused of rape and a dozen rapists running free because no one spoke out against them, I'll gladly go with the first one.
You gonna clean up the blood and brain spatter from the people who raped no one but put a shotgun in their mouth and ended their life because they were being judged by the mob based on a story and not by evidence?

Imagine you and a girl get drunk and mess around. She reconciles with her jealous boyfriend, and it is later discovered she has your baby in her. Maybe that drunk night gets spun a little but different...
No, my job is in pricing, not crime scene cleaning.

First, I'd ask for a DNA test, because if she and her boyfriend had had sex after getting together, I don't see why the fetus couldn't be his and not mine. That said, are you saying that she would then claim I raped her?

In such a case, I'd see what happens in court, point out logically why I think the allegations false. If we were both drunk, then we were both culpable of the effects (pregnancy). If the baby was mine, I'd pay child support if court-ordered, but I'd fight like hell against the rape charge, and I suspect anyone would.
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Jigsaw wrote:
Foo wrote:
Jigsaw wrote:
Foo wrote:
Jigsaw wrote:
Foo wrote:
Jigsaw wrote:
zombie wrote:outing someone as gay or trans. revealing that someone is a rapist. revealing that someone has cheated on their wife. revealing that someone slept with a prostitute. it should all be treated the same way, seemed to be what you were going for.
If someone is a rapist, I have no problem with their face being plastered all over town, because others need to know to watch out for them, or at least be wary.

If someone is gay, that hurts no one, so no one has any right to out such a person.
How about the time when the person is falsely accused? Are you cool with their face having been plastered all over town?

Ask the wives of gay men who end up with AIDS from their husband if him being gay hurt them.
If it turns out that the individual was indeed falsely accused, that's great. But I would rather people know beforehand any possible danger of sexual assault or rape as opposed to a rapist sexually assaulting multiple others because they have some right to "privacy."

Being gay didn't hurt the wives. Living in a society that looks down upon homosexuals and caused the gay men to marry women in the first place is the problem. Ideally, if a gay man knows he has aids, he should leave the wife, be honest with her, or at the very least, stop having sex with her. But it all depends on the situation.
Do you know how many people are ostracized because people think they look creepy and rumors are spread? And how it impacts their lives? You think we should be free to spread around shit about anyone we don't like and then just disappear when it is proved otherwise. That sounds like an awful society.

Some gay men want a family and are not gay the entire time. I worked with one. He and his wife split when his child became an adult.
He was gay all time. He just apparently didn't want to leave his marriage before his son grew up. But he was gay during all of it. If he wasn't, then he'd be bisexual, not gay.

And I didn't say those who make, what turn out to be, false accusations get to go hide. I think there should be investigations into why they made that allegation, and depending on the findings ("Oh, I was just pissed he keyed my car, so I made up a story of how he took advantage of me"), then I think there should be penalties, be it fines or short terms in jail.
He is an intelligent, articulate gentleman who is mega successful. I think I will take his description of his own sexuality over your description of his sexuality.

Have you considered that sometimes people make false allegations that they actually believe? You gonna fine them or put them is jail? Why not let it play out the way it is supposed to, through the legal system?
Well, since I've seen no evidence that people can choose their sexual orientation, I will maintain my belief that he was always gay or bisexual.

Sure, but if someone is making a false allegation that they believe to be true, how is that verified? I have no idea, but if it can be verified, of course you wouldn't demand jail time or fines. If they believed the allegation true, then the innocent individual accused can accept an apology and move on.

Because some police officers ask women what they are wearing when an alleged rape occurs, which doesn't matter. Women are raped and never file reports, and when they do, they get gag orders from the courts so they can't talk about it.

For women and victims of rape in this country, the legal system right now is a joke. If a woman is raped, the first thing I would recommend doing, after medical care and a rape kit (many of which are never processed) is to publicly out the individual who raped them, and then go to the authorities to see if they'll do anything about it.
I don't think you get to decide people's sexuality based on reading some shit on the internet. We either allow people to define themselves or we don't. I didn't like sushi when I was younger, now I love it. People can change.

I think you are better suited at whatever you are doing than practicing law. I doubt any attorney would suggest doing what you just described.
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Jigsaw wrote:
Foo wrote:
Jigsaw wrote:Between 1,000,000 people being falsely accused of rape and a dozen rapists running free because no one spoke out against them, I'll gladly go with the first one.
You gonna clean up the blood and brain spatter from the people who raped no one but put a shotgun in their mouth and ended their life because they were being judged by the mob based on a story and not by evidence?

Imagine you and a girl get drunk and mess around. She reconciles with her jealous boyfriend, and it is later discovered she has your baby in her. Maybe that drunk night gets spun a little but different...
No, my job is in pricing, not crime scene cleaning.

First, I'd ask for a DNA test, because if she and her boyfriend had had sex after getting together, I don't see why the fetus couldn't be his and not mine. That said, are you saying that she would then claim I raped her?

In such a case, I'd see what happens in court, point out logically why I think the allegations false. If we were both drunk, then we were both culpable of the effects (pregnancy). If the baby was mine, I'd pay child support if court-ordered, but I'd fight like hell against the rape charge, and I suspect anyone would.
Can you prove you didn't rape her? You have no relationship with her, she is carrying your baby, and she says you did it. No one else is acknowledging you were good work friends and got together to watch netflix and it just happened. She would never cheat on Bob, and you look kinda iffy, so it had to be rape, right? Plus you are black, so you know how those animals can be with white women here in West Virginia...
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Re: May 25th 2018

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zombie wrote:outing someone as gay or trans. revealing that someone is a rapist. revealing that someone has cheated on their wife. revealing that someone slept with a prostitute. it should all be treated the same way, seemed to be what you were going for.
If someone is a rapist, I have no problem with their face being plastered all over town, because others need to know to watch out for them, or at least be wary.

If someone is gay, that hurts no one, so no one has any right to out such a person.
How about the time when the person is falsely accused? Are you cool with their face having been plastered all over town?

Ask the wives of gay men who end up with AIDS from their husband if him being gay hurt them.
If it turns out that the individual was indeed falsely accused, that's great. But I would rather people know beforehand any possible danger of sexual assault or rape as opposed to a rapist sexually assaulting multiple others because they have some right to "privacy."

Being gay didn't hurt the wives. Living in a society that looks down upon homosexuals and caused the gay men to marry women in the first place is the problem. Ideally, if a gay man knows he has aids, he should leave the wife, be honest with her, or at the very least, stop having sex with her. But it all depends on the situation.
Do you know how many people are ostracized because people think they look creepy and rumors are spread? And how it impacts their lives? You think we should be free to spread around shit about anyone we don't like and then just disappear when it is proved otherwise. That sounds like an awful society.

Some gay men want a family and are not gay the entire time. I worked with one. He and his wife split when his child became an adult.
He was gay all time. He just apparently didn't want to leave his marriage before his son grew up. But he was gay during all of it. If he wasn't, then he'd be bisexual, not gay.

And I didn't say those who make, what turn out to be, false accusations get to go hide. I think there should be investigations into why they made that allegation, and depending on the findings ("Oh, I was just pissed he keyed my car, so I made up a story of how he took advantage of me"), then I think there should be penalties, be it fines or short terms in jail.
He is an intelligent, articulate gentleman who is mega successful. I think I will take his description of his own sexuality over your description of his sexuality.

Have you considered that sometimes people make false allegations that they actually believe? You gonna fine them or put them is jail? Why not let it play out the way it is supposed to, through the legal system?
Well, since I've seen no evidence that people can choose their sexual orientation, I will maintain my belief that he was always gay or bisexual.

Sure, but if someone is making a false allegation that they believe to be true, how is that verified? I have no idea, but if it can be verified, of course you wouldn't demand jail time or fines. If they believed the allegation true, then the innocent individual accused can accept an apology and move on.

Because some police officers ask women what they are wearing when an alleged rape occurs, which doesn't matter. Women are raped and never file reports, and when they do, they get gag orders from the courts so they can't talk about it.

For women and victims of rape in this country, the legal system right now is a joke. If a woman is raped, the first thing I would recommend doing, after medical care and a rape kit (many of which are never processed) is to publicly out the individual who raped them, and then go to the authorities to see if they'll do anything about it.
I don't think you get to decide people's sexuality based on reading some shit on the internet. We either allow people to define themselves or we don't. I didn't like sushi when I was younger, now I love it. People can change.

I think you are better suited at whatever you are doing than practicing law. I doubt any attorney would suggest doing what you just described.
I doubt I care about what an attorney says, which shows we need better attorneys out there.
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