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you were going on about dating pool. pass as a woman. dressed like a clown. etc. if it was meant to be about mental illness, you seemed to have missed the mark a bit.
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zombie wrote:you were going on about dating pool. pass as a woman. dressed like a clown. etc. if it was meant to be about mental illness, you seemed to have missed the mark a bit.
The best artwork allows you to draw your own conclusions.

BTW, do you have any thoughts about Dave Melltzer commenting on the body of Peyton Royce?
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zombie wrote:you were going on about dating pool. pass as a woman. dressed like a clown. etc. if it was meant to be about mental illness, you seemed to have missed the mark a bit.
The best artwork allows you to draw your own conclusions.

BTW, do you have any thoughts about Dave Melltzer commenting on the body of Peyton Royce?
work on finding a way to get your readers to conclude what you actually intend them to, then. *shrug*

no, no thoughts. i'm not even aware of it.
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Foo wrote:
zombie wrote:you were going on about dating pool. pass as a woman. dressed like a clown. etc. if it was meant to be about mental illness, you seemed to have missed the mark a bit.
The best artwork allows you to draw your own conclusions.

BTW, do you have any thoughts about Dave Melltzer commenting on the body of Peyton Royce?
work on finding a way to get your readers to conclude what you actually intend them to, then. *shrug*

no, no thoughts. i'm not even aware of it.
Basically, he said a wrestler was better looking and stood out more when she was thinner while in WWE's developmental territory. After leaving the territory, she had breast implants done and does appear to not be as lean.

Lots of outrage.
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Foo wrote:
zombie wrote:
Foo wrote:
zombie wrote:you were going on about dating pool. pass as a woman. dressed like a clown. etc. if it was meant to be about mental illness, you seemed to have missed the mark a bit.
The best artwork allows you to draw your own conclusions.

BTW, do you have any thoughts about Dave Melltzer commenting on the body of Peyton Royce?
work on finding a way to get your readers to conclude what you actually intend them to, then. *shrug*

no, no thoughts. i'm not even aware of it.
Basically, he said a wrestler was better looking and stood out more when she was thinner while in WWE's developmental territory. After leaving the territory, she had breast implants done and does appear to not be as lean.

Lots of outrage.
was he asked about it, or did he just offer his opinion unsolicited? have they been a couple before, or worked together before, in some way? i don't know the context, nor the reason for the outrage. i guess you want me to have an opinion on this, so i'll go look it up.
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okay. have to ask, how often do male wrestlers get talked down in this way? "that guy has gotten flabby, since such and such a match" or whatever? does it happen much with women wrestlers, beyond this one comment? does it happen with that woman wrestler a lot or no?
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zombie wrote:okay. have to ask, how often do male wrestlers get talked down in this way? "that guy has gotten flabby, since such and such a match" or whatever? does it happen much with women wrestlers, beyond this one comment? does it happen with that woman wrestler a lot or no?
Meltzer is without a doubt, the top of the wrestling journalism pyramid. He has long critiqued men's physiques, but I can't speak to the rate, as there are many more male wrestlers and also female wrestlers held a different role for a long time.

I guess my thing i that they are not accountants. They are fake fighters who entertain in bikinis (both men and women). Just like someone in a superhero or action movie, they try to match their body to the role.
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all i'm getting is out of context bits. i don't know the full details. but they mentioned she had a transformation. i guess that's the implants? could be the reason she did that, was because of criticism of her look already. and now more criticism of her look. i can see where she would feel insecure and defensive. the other wrestlers defending her isn't a bad thing. and the internet is going to run with it.
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zombie wrote:all i'm getting is out of context bits. i don't know the full details. but they mentioned she had a transformation. i guess that's the implants? could be the reason she did that, was because of criticism of her look already. and now more criticism of her look. i can see where she would feel insecure and defensive. the other wrestlers defending her isn't a bad thing. and the internet is going to run with it.
I think what he was talking about is that she had a more unique look before. Now she looks like a ton of other women in wrestling with the fake boobs.

I viewed it like Jake the Snake, Bundy, and Hogan. They all had vastly different bodies, but all kinda looked like ass kickers. If Jake went on steroids and Bundy got thin, and Hogan lost his muscle, those characters start to blur together. In wrestling terms, Bundy had a great "Look" despite being a giant fat man. Jake had a great "look".

Another notable example is Chris Masters. His gimmick was built around his physique. When he came back much lighter, his character never recovered because he no longer fit the gimmick.
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zombie wrote:okay. have to ask, how often do male wrestlers get talked down in this way? "that guy has gotten flabby, since such and such a match" or whatever? does it happen much with women wrestlers, beyond this one comment? does it happen with that woman wrestler a lot or no?
Meltzer is without a doubt, the top of the wrestling journalism pyramid. He has long critiqued men's physiques, but I can't speak to the rate, as there are many more male wrestlers and also female wrestlers held a different role for a long time.

I guess my thing i that they are not accountants. They are fake fighters who entertain in bikinis (both men and women). Just like someone in a superhero or action movie, they try to match their body to the role.
she has bosses and trainers. have they criticized her work ethic or anything? have the other wrestlers she gone up against? is she failing to meet requirements of the trade? or is it just his opinion, from the outside looking in?
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zombie wrote:okay. have to ask, how often do male wrestlers get talked down in this way? "that guy has gotten flabby, since such and such a match" or whatever? does it happen much with women wrestlers, beyond this one comment? does it happen with that woman wrestler a lot or no?
Meltzer is without a doubt, the top of the wrestling journalism pyramid. He has long critiqued men's physiques, but I can't speak to the rate, as there are many more male wrestlers and also female wrestlers held a different role for a long time.

I guess my thing i that they are not accountants. They are fake fighters who entertain in bikinis (both men and women). Just like someone in a superhero or action movie, they try to match their body to the role.
she has bosses and trainers. have they criticized her work ethic or anything? have the other wrestlers she gone up against? is she failing to meet requirements of the trade? or is it just his opinion, from the outside looking in?
He is a critic and journalist. It is purely his opinion.

What does it say when everyone jumps to defend a female, but say nothing about critique of men?
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Foo wrote:
zombie wrote:all i'm getting is out of context bits. i don't know the full details. but they mentioned she had a transformation. i guess that's the implants? could be the reason she did that, was because of criticism of her look already. and now more criticism of her look. i can see where she would feel insecure and defensive. the other wrestlers defending her isn't a bad thing. and the internet is going to run with it.
I think what he was talking about is that she had a more unique look before. Now she looks like a ton of other women in wrestling with the fake boobs.

I viewed it like Jake the Snake, Bundy, and Hogan. They all had vastly different bodies, but all kinda looked like ass kickers. If Jake went on steroids and Bundy got thin, and Hogan lost his muscle, those characters start to blur together. In wrestling terms, Bundy had a great "Look" despite being a giant fat man. Jake had a great "look".

Another notable example is Chris Masters. His gimmick was built around his physique. When he came back much lighter, his character never recovered because he no longer fit the gimmick.
could be. but again, the transformation even with the male wrestlers could be to do with pressure and criticism to change already. so they change to satisfy whatever was being criticized. and still they're criticized. you don't see how that could ha a negative impact, especially for someone who makes a living on their image, as you had already pointed out.
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zombie wrote:
Foo wrote:
zombie wrote:all i'm getting is out of context bits. i don't know the full details. but they mentioned she had a transformation. i guess that's the implants? could be the reason she did that, was because of criticism of her look already. and now more criticism of her look. i can see where she would feel insecure and defensive. the other wrestlers defending her isn't a bad thing. and the internet is going to run with it.
I think what he was talking about is that she had a more unique look before. Now she looks like a ton of other women in wrestling with the fake boobs.

I viewed it like Jake the Snake, Bundy, and Hogan. They all had vastly different bodies, but all kinda looked like ass kickers. If Jake went on steroids and Bundy got thin, and Hogan lost his muscle, those characters start to blur together. In wrestling terms, Bundy had a great "Look" despite being a giant fat man. Jake had a great "look".

Another notable example is Chris Masters. His gimmick was built around his physique. When he came back much lighter, his character never recovered because he no longer fit the gimmick.
could be. but again, the transformation even with the male wrestlers could be to do with pressure and criticism to change already. so they change to satisfy whatever was being criticized. and still they're criticized. you don't see how that could ha a negative impact, especially for someone who makes a living on their image, as you had already pointed out.
So let's take bodybuilders. Should they not be judged based on their bodies because it is about their image and their feelings might be hurt?
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Foo wrote:
He is a critic and journalist. It is purely his opinion.

What does it say when everyone jumps to defend a female, but say nothing about critique of men?
it's a double standard. women are perceived to be more in need of taking care with. men are supposed to be stronger, not get bothered by it. not accept sympathy or taking care with. that's our culture, for a long time. men are pussies, if they have insecurity. etc. a radio host would probably be among the first to jump all over that kind of thinking, so yeah.
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Foo wrote:
zombie wrote:
Foo wrote:
zombie wrote:all i'm getting is out of context bits. i don't know the full details. but they mentioned she had a transformation. i guess that's the implants? could be the reason she did that, was because of criticism of her look already. and now more criticism of her look. i can see where she would feel insecure and defensive. the other wrestlers defending her isn't a bad thing. and the internet is going to run with it.
I think what he was talking about is that she had a more unique look before. Now she looks like a ton of other women in wrestling with the fake boobs.

I viewed it like Jake the Snake, Bundy, and Hogan. They all had vastly different bodies, but all kinda looked like ass kickers. If Jake went on steroids and Bundy got thin, and Hogan lost his muscle, those characters start to blur together. In wrestling terms, Bundy had a great "Look" despite being a giant fat man. Jake had a great "look".

Another notable example is Chris Masters. His gimmick was built around his physique. When he came back much lighter, his character never recovered because he no longer fit the gimmick.
could be. but again, the transformation even with the male wrestlers could be to do with pressure and criticism to change already. so they change to satisfy whatever was being criticized. and still they're criticized. you don't see how that could ha a negative impact, especially for someone who makes a living on their image, as you had already pointed out.
So let's take bodybuilders. Should they not be judged based on their bodies because it is about their image and their feelings might be hurt?
judge them. but be aware of the consequences and impact it may have on them as well. has that radio guy ever wrestled, out of curiosity?
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zombie wrote:
Foo wrote:
He is a critic and journalist. It is purely his opinion.

What does it say when everyone jumps to defend a female, but say nothing about critique of men?
it's a double standard. women are perceived to be more in need of taking care with. men are supposed to be stronger, not get bothered by it. not accept sympathy or taking care with. that's our culture, for a long time. men are pussies, if they have insecurity. etc. a radio host would probably be among the first to jump all over that kind of thinking, so yeah.
Would you say I am on the cutting edge of progress since I don't mind calling women who do the same thing pussies?
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Foo wrote:
zombie wrote:
Foo wrote:
He is a critic and journalist. It is purely his opinion.

What does it say when everyone jumps to defend a female, but say nothing about critique of men?
it's a double standard. women are perceived to be more in need of taking care with. men are supposed to be stronger, not get bothered by it. not accept sympathy or taking care with. that's our culture, for a long time. men are pussies, if they have insecurity. etc. a radio host would probably be among the first to jump all over that kind of thinking, so yeah.
Would you say I am on the cutting edge of progress since I don't mind calling women who do the same thing pussies?
you don't care who you hurt, man or woman. i'm not sure how cutting edge that is. :P
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zombie wrote:
Foo wrote:
zombie wrote:
Foo wrote:
He is a critic and journalist. It is purely his opinion.

What does it say when everyone jumps to defend a female, but say nothing about critique of men?
it's a double standard. women are perceived to be more in need of taking care with. men are supposed to be stronger, not get bothered by it. not accept sympathy or taking care with. that's our culture, for a long time. men are pussies, if they have insecurity. etc. a radio host would probably be among the first to jump all over that kind of thinking, so yeah.
Would you say I am on the cutting edge of progress since I don't mind calling women who do the same thing pussies?
you don't care who you hurt, man or woman. i'm not sure how cutting edge that is. :P
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Foo wrote:
zombie wrote:
Foo wrote:
zombie wrote:
Foo wrote:
He is a critic and journalist. It is purely his opinion.

What does it say when everyone jumps to defend a female, but say nothing about critique of men?
it's a double standard. women are perceived to be more in need of taking care with. men are supposed to be stronger, not get bothered by it. not accept sympathy or taking care with. that's our culture, for a long time. men are pussies, if they have insecurity. etc. a radio host would probably be among the first to jump all over that kind of thinking, so yeah.
Would you say I am on the cutting edge of progress since I don't mind calling women who do the same thing pussies?
you don't care who you hurt, man or woman. i'm not sure how cutting edge that is. :P
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virtue signaling! maybe you are on the progressive edge.
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zombie wrote:
Foo wrote:
zombie wrote:
Foo wrote:
zombie wrote:
Foo wrote:
He is a critic and journalist. It is purely his opinion.

What does it say when everyone jumps to defend a female, but say nothing about critique of men?
it's a double standard. women are perceived to be more in need of taking care with. men are supposed to be stronger, not get bothered by it. not accept sympathy or taking care with. that's our culture, for a long time. men are pussies, if they have insecurity. etc. a radio host would probably be among the first to jump all over that kind of thinking, so yeah.
Would you say I am on the cutting edge of progress since I don't mind calling women who do the same thing pussies?
you don't care who you hurt, man or woman. i'm not sure how cutting edge that is. :P
Equality!
virtue signaling! maybe you are on the progressive edge.
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