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So it has gone like this:

Mom: "honey, we need a new car, the Ford escort needs a new engine."
Dad: "oh, ok, do we want to get another Ford escort or maybe we should look at Chevy cavaliers or a Kia?"
Mom: "I want a rocket ship that is powered by unicorn farts!"
Dad: "well, that is not really something we can afford unless you go back to work and stop trying to sell edible soap on etsy."
Mom: *hits dad in the face with a frying pan and tells everyone he raped the cat*

Foo wrote:

zombie wrote:

Foo wrote: Did we? The reason laws were passed was because we did not have them to deal with men lingering in ladies rooms. Without a law, how do you stop it?

what steps are they taking now to police bathrooms that they weren't taking before the law was enacted? wouldn't it be the same as if someone was causing a scene in the bathroom of the gender they were born as?

It is not about policing, it is about having the law there to charge the crime.

Previously if a man was standing in a ladies room, what would police do? There was nothing to charge them with.

what crime? loitering and leering or what? there must have been something in place to prevent that, or to quickly deal with it. or else a pervert guy would just go into the women's bathroom to watch. maybe i'm being naive but it feels really weird that that wouldn't already have a way to deal with.

zombie wrote:

Foo wrote:

zombie wrote:

Foo wrote: Did we? The reason laws were passed was because we did not have them to deal with men lingering in ladies rooms. Without a law, how do you stop it?

what steps are they taking now to police bathrooms that they weren't taking before the law was enacted? wouldn't it be the same as if someone was causing a scene in the bathroom of the gender they were born as?

It is not about policing, it is about having the law there to charge the crime.

Previously if a man was standing in a ladies room, what would police do? There was nothing to charge them with.

what crime? loitering and leering or what? there must have been something in place to prevent that, or to quickly deal with it. or else a perverts guy would just go into the women's bathroom to watch. maybe i'm being naive but it feels really weird that that wouldn't already have a way to deal with.

You tell me the crime before they passed the law for a guy standing in the restroom while girls are trying to use it.

Again, when we had shared values, we knew it was wrong. Everyone would have applauded when the guy was taken out of the bathroom by either a husband, father, or police by opening the door with his face. Now leftists are defending the guy, filing lawsuits, and everything else.

We knew as a collective it was wrong. Again, the radical shift is the source of the division.

Foo wrote:

zombie wrote:

Foo wrote:

zombie wrote:

Foo wrote: Did we? The reason laws were passed was because we did not have them to deal with men lingering in ladies rooms. Without a law, how do you stop it?

what steps are they taking now to police bathrooms that they weren't taking before the law was enacted? wouldn't it be the same as if someone was causing a scene in the bathroom of the gender they were born as?

It is not about policing, it is about having the law there to charge the crime.

Previously if a man was standing in a ladies room, what would police do? There was nothing to charge them with.

what crime? loitering and leering or what? there must have been something in place to prevent that, or to quickly deal with it. or else a perverts guy would just go into the women's bathroom to watch. maybe i'm being naive but it feels really weird that that wouldn't already have a way to deal with.

You tell me the crime before they passed the law for a guy standing in the restroom while girls are trying to use it.

Again, when we had shared values, we knew it was wrong. Everyone would have applauded when the guy was taken out of the bathroom by either a husband, father, or police by opening the door with his face. Now leftists are defending the guy, filing lawsuits, and everything else.

We knew as a collective it was wrong. Again, the radical shift is the source of the division.

if there was nothing in place to stop it, then there must not have been with a man leering at other men in that restroom?

i'm not looking to protect people who leer at others in the restroom. i don't think anyone is. that should be a crime, or at least be policy against it, whether it happens in the restroom, between two men. or a man and a woman.

Do you think there is a significant difference between a man leering at another man in a bathroom and a man leering at a woman?

Can you articulate what crime is "leering"?

There's always been racism. It's not divisive to point out that there's racism. Just because not many did before the 1950's doesn't mean that keeping minorities down was a 'shared value'.

I don't think we, as a country, have had much of a collective agreement on anything, and when we have, it was usually for a bad reason (such as patriotism).

Foo wrote:Do you think there is a significant difference between a man leering at another man in a bathroom and a man leering at a woman?

Can you articulate what crime is "leering"?

there is a difference. but the policy or law against it should be similar.

"being a creeper"? no trans in the bathroom is not just against creeps who leer or make a scene though. that's what i don't like.

No real need for thread, the devolution of liberals into bat shit crazy is well known and documented.

The funny thing about all of this is that Democrats/liberals aren't even really to the left. Us socialists and communists despise most of what the Democratic Party does. So they don't have the support from actual leftists, those on the right, or the center. Just the establishment.

Wasn’t Jus Soli established in the 14th amendment and settled repeatedly in all manner of cases including 1898?

zombie wrote:

Foo wrote:Do you think there is a significant difference between a man leering at another man in a bathroom and a man leering at a woman?

Can you articulate what crime is "leering"?

there is a difference. but the policy or law against it should be similar.

"being a creeper"? no trans in the bathroom is not just against creeps who leer or make a scene though. that's what i don't like.

The law is not "no trans in the bathroom", it is guidance for everyone. The legal place to use the restroom is what aligns with your gender at birth. Do you have a better way? I would hope you don't think random guys walking freely on and out of ladies bathrooms, locker rooms, showers, and changing areas is a great idea.

Reign in Blood wrote:No real need for thread, the devolution of liberals into bat shit crazy is well known and documented.

bat shit crazy, but not in the ways that foo touched on in his three examples. (though he came closer, in subsequent posts)

showa58taro wrote:Wasn’t Jus Soli established in the 14th amendment and settled repeatedly in all manner of cases including 1898?

The thing is, the law was written to give descendants of slaves protections. Otherwise, anti-black people would argue that by blood, they are African. So we established that they were citizens of the US by birth here.

It is pretty unlikely the law's intent was for an illegal to cross the border to give birth, and have that baby have full rights and protections of a US citizen for life.

Foo wrote:

zombie wrote:

Foo wrote:Do you think there is a significant difference between a man leering at another man in a bathroom and a man leering at a woman?

Can you articulate what crime is "leering"?

there is a difference. but the policy or law against it should be similar.

"being a creeper"? no trans in the bathroom is not just against creeps who leer or make a scene though. that's what i don't like.

The law is not "no trans in the bathroom", it is guidance for everyone. The legal place to use the restroom is what aligns with your gender at birth. Do you have a better way? I would hope you don't think random guys walking freely on and out of ladies bathrooms, locker rooms, showers, and changing areas is a great idea.

i don't have a better way. i know that biological men that have transitioned (or are on their way) in the men's room is not that great a way.

zombie wrote:

Foo wrote:

zombie wrote:

Foo wrote:Do you think there is a significant difference between a man leering at another man in a bathroom and a man leering at a woman?

Can you articulate what crime is "leering"?

there is a difference. but the policy or law against it should be similar.

"being a creeper"? no trans in the bathroom is not just against creeps who leer or make a scene though. that's what i don't like.

The law is not "no trans in the bathroom", it is guidance for everyone. The legal place to use the restroom is what aligns with your gender at birth. Do you have a better way? I would hope you don't think random guys walking freely on and out of ladies bathrooms, locker rooms, showers, and changing areas is a great idea.

i don't have a better way. i know that biological men that have transitioned (or are on their way) in the men's room is not that great a way.

We as a nation are clearly unprepared for this. What do the ladyboys do in thailand?

zombie wrote:

Reign in Blood wrote:No real need for thread, the devolution of liberals into bat shit crazy is well known and documented.

bat shit crazy, but not in the ways that foo touched on in his three examples. (though he came closer, in subsequent posts)

"Gender Identity" politics is not a prime example? Liberals want to "label" me cisgender because I'm normal, like that's a thing. Trannies using bathrooms, teaching kids in school about this shit etc. There's evolution, in that certain conversations need to be had that didn't happen when we grew up, and there's straight bat shit lunacy.

Foo wrote:

zombie wrote:

Foo wrote:

zombie wrote:

Foo wrote:Do you think there is a significant difference between a man leering at another man in a bathroom and a man leering at a woman?

Can you articulate what crime is "leering"?

there is a difference. but the policy or law against it should be similar.

"being a creeper"? no trans in the bathroom is not just against creeps who leer or make a scene though. that's what i don't like.

The law is not "no trans in the bathroom", it is guidance for everyone. The legal place to use the restroom is what aligns with your gender at birth. Do you have a better way? I would hope you don't think random guys walking freely on and out of ladies bathrooms, locker rooms, showers, and changing areas is a great idea.

i don't have a better way. i know that biological men that have transitioned (or are on their way) in the men's room is not that great a way.

We as a nation are clearly unprepared for this. What do the ladyboys do in thailand?

i don't know. being a creep or being a threat is what matters. if they're just doing their business, there should be no issue. if there are not steps to take to prevent creeps or threats in public restrooms, perhaps that's something that we should work on. that seems like common sense to me.

Reign in Blood wrote:

zombie wrote:

Reign in Blood wrote:No real need for thread, the devolution of liberals into bat shit crazy is well known and documented.

bat shit crazy, but not in the ways that foo touched on in his three examples. (though he came closer, in subsequent posts)

"Gender Identity" politics is not a prime example? Liberals want to "label" me cisgender because I'm normal, like that's a thing. Trannies using bathrooms, teaching kids in school about this shit etc. There's evolution, in that certain conversations need to be had that didn't happen when we grew up, and there's straight bat shit lunacy.

yeah, that's where he came closer in later posts.

zombie wrote:

Foo wrote:

zombie wrote:

Foo wrote:

zombie wrote:

Foo wrote:Do you think there is a significant difference between a man leering at another man in a bathroom and a man leering at a woman?

Can you articulate what crime is "leering"?

there is a difference. but the policy or law against it should be similar.

"being a creeper"? no trans in the bathroom is not just against creeps who leer or make a scene though. that's what i don't like.

The law is not "no trans in the bathroom", it is guidance for everyone. The legal place to use the restroom is what aligns with your gender at birth. Do you have a better way? I would hope you don't think random guys walking freely on and out of ladies bathrooms, locker rooms, showers, and changing areas is a great idea.

i don't have a better way. i know that biological men that have transitioned (or are on their way) in the men's room is not that great a way.

We as a nation are clearly unprepared for this. What do the ladyboys do in thailand?

i don't know. being a creep or being a threat is what matters. if they're just doing their business, there should be no issue. if there are not steps to take to prevent creeps or threats in public restrooms, perhaps that's something that we should work on. that seems like common sense to me.

How old is your little sister? Let's say at 8-12 years old, you would be comfortable with her sharing a public bathroom with a couple guys? How about a gym lockerroom? How about a gym shower?

It matters. No matter how much we want to spread PC, it matters. Men are different than women. Just consider violent rapes. How many are female on male?

zombie wrote:

Reign in Blood wrote:

zombie wrote:

Reign in Blood wrote:No real need for thread, the devolution of liberals into bat shit crazy is well known and documented.

bat shit crazy, but not in the ways that foo touched on in his three examples. (though he came closer, in subsequent posts)

"Gender Identity" politics is not a prime example? Liberals want to "label" me cisgender because I'm normal, like that's a thing. Trannies using bathrooms, teaching kids in school about this shit etc. There's evolution, in that certain conversations need to be had that didn't happen when we grew up, and there's straight bat shit lunacy.

yeah, that's where he came closer in later posts.

Outside of his Latina hot mama, I think hyperbole to make a point is Foo's favorite thing in the world, so.