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Re: Prosecution of Uncontacted Peoples
Posted: Mon Nov 26, 2018 4:58 pm
by Reign in Blood
Headhunter wrote:Reign in Blood wrote:Headhunter wrote:This is such a fascinating story in so many respects.
Go on.
I'm reading a viewing of the Green Inferno as we speak.
Nah I don't really have anything to add, you guys covered most of the talking points. I really have more questions in the philosophical realm than I do opinions.
Again, go on, I'm interested.
Re: Prosecution of Uncontacted Peoples
Posted: Mon Nov 26, 2018 5:07 pm
by Headhunter
Reign in Blood wrote:Headhunter wrote:Reign in Blood wrote:Headhunter wrote:This is such a fascinating story in so many respects.
Go on.
I'm reading a viewing of the Green Inferno as we speak.
Nah I don't really have anything to add, you guys covered most of the talking points. I really have more questions in the philosophical realm than I do opinions.
Again, go on, I'm interested.
Can uncontacted people be held to account for actions that they have no conception of consequences existing for? What would be the ramifications for me killing an alien whose spaceship landed near my property?
Re: Prosecution of Uncontacted Peoples
Posted: Mon Nov 26, 2018 5:13 pm
by Reign in Blood
Headhunter wrote:Reign in Blood wrote:Headhunter wrote:Reign in Blood wrote:Headhunter wrote:This is such a fascinating story in so many respects.
Go on.
I'm reading a viewing of the Green Inferno as we speak.
Nah I don't really have anything to add, you guys covered most of the talking points. I really have more questions in the philosophical realm than I do opinions.
Again, go on, I'm interested.
Can uncontacted people be held to account for actions that they have no conception of consequences existing for? What would be the ramifications for me killing an alien whose spaceship landed near my property?
Don't we take into account such things, though? Like if a mentality disabled person goes off on someone in a certain situation?
Re: Prosecution of Uncontacted Peoples
Posted: Mon Nov 26, 2018 5:15 pm
by Headhunter
And what do they think is out there? We all have a need to believe there's more to our reality than we can perceive. Every story I've read about the Sentinelese suggests their interactions with outsiders are overwhelmingly, if not unanimously negative. Do they have a conception of external groups who aren't hostile? How many unreported interactions have there been?
Re: Prosecution of Uncontacted Peoples
Posted: Mon Nov 26, 2018 5:19 pm
by Headhunter
Reign in Blood wrote:Headhunter wrote:Reign in Blood wrote:Headhunter wrote:Reign in Blood wrote:Headhunter wrote:This is such a fascinating story in so many respects.
Go on.
I'm reading a viewing of the Green Inferno as we speak.
Nah I don't really have anything to add, you guys covered most of the talking points. I really have more questions in the philosophical realm than I do opinions.
Again, go on, I'm interested.
Can uncontacted people be held to account for actions that they have no conception of consequences existing for? What would be the ramifications for me killing an alien whose spaceship landed near my property?
Don't we take into account such things, though? Like if a mentality disabled person goes off on someone in a certain situation?
It's a good thought, but in that case there are still necessary expectations of good behavior as they function in a modern world with people who have modern sensibilities around them, so being out of line is problematic for the greater whole. The Sentinelese are basically aliens. They don't live in our world, there is almost no existing relationship with it. Do we not grant them some autonomy for people crossing over into their reality? They've developed some systems of morals as all humans do, can we really say ours supersedes theirs on their home turf?
Re: Prosecution of Uncontacted Peoples
Posted: Mon Nov 26, 2018 5:24 pm
by Headhunter
Not really any new thoughts there, just restating some without the legal pretext, which to me makes it more interesting.
Re: Prosecution of Uncontacted Peoples
Posted: Mon Nov 26, 2018 5:41 pm
by Reign in Blood
On their home turf, no, not in our modern version of civilization. Which is weird given our history of conquering other civilizations. They go to the mainland and want to start shooting their bows and arrows, different story, but when they just want to be left alone, you respect that. It gets complicated when an unknowing innocent person happens across it, and I don't think anyone has a good answer on what to do with that.
Re: Prosecution of Uncontacted Peoples
Posted: Mon Nov 26, 2018 6:30 pm
by Foo
Headhunter wrote:And what do they think is out there? We all have a need to believe there's more to our reality than we can perceive. Every story I've read about the Sentinelese suggests their interactions with outsiders are overwhelmingly, if not unanimously negative. Do they have a conception of external groups who aren't hostile? How many unreported interactions have there been?
I thought I read they had received pots and pans as gifts in like the 70s or 80s and still use them?
Re: Prosecution of Uncontacted Peoples
Posted: Mon Nov 26, 2018 6:48 pm
by Reign in Blood
I punted a football over there in 96.
Re: Prosecution of Uncontacted Peoples
Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2018 2:26 am
by showa58taro
A British guy came and stole and abused kids back in the 1800s, which I think helped codify the negative as they were eventually returned. So that helps with the negative.