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Foo wrote:

zombie wrote:

Foo wrote:Alo, the fact that these conversations rarely inspire progressives to say, "Whoa, I can't believe we even have to have such discussions, things are going too far.", makes me think an organization like NAMBLA being firmly in the mainstream is not far off.

There really seems to be no limit.

the conversations probably really don't need to be had. base placement in prisons on biological sex, unless you're gonna give them hormones on the inside, to keep it going?

But hormones are not a requirement for self-identification. It is very possible that there are some out there who do not want the treatments, yet still identify that way.

zombie wrote:

Foo wrote:

zombie wrote:

Foo wrote:Alo, the fact that these conversations rarely inspire progressives to say, "Whoa, I can't believe we even have to have such discussions, things are going too far.", makes me think an organization like NAMBLA being firmly in the mainstream is not far off.

There really seems to be no limit.

the conversations probably really don't need to be had. base placement in prisons on biological sex, unless you're gonna give them hormones on the inside, to keep it going?

But hormones are not a requirement for self-identification. It is very possible that there are some out there who do not want the treatments, yet still identify that way.

i get that you want to make this more complicated than it needs to be, to push your agenda. but i gave my position.

Foo wrote:

zombie wrote:

Foo wrote:

zombie wrote:

Foo wrote:Alo, the fact that these conversations rarely inspire progressives to say, "Whoa, I can't believe we even have to have such discussions, things are going too far.", makes me think an organization like NAMBLA being firmly in the mainstream is not far off.

There really seems to be no limit.

the conversations probably really don't need to be had. base placement in prisons on biological sex, unless you're gonna give them hormones on the inside, to keep it going?

But hormones are not a requirement for self-identification. It is very possible that there are some out there who do not want the treatments, yet still identify that way.

i get that you want to make this more complicated than it needs to be, to push your agenda. but i gave my position.

My agenda is the truth. Can you handle the truth?! :p

zombie wrote:as dating and relationships go. there needs to be honesty. if they try to trap you or mislead you, then the relationship is probably doomed to end, rightfully so.

Foo wrote:

zombie wrote:as dating and relationships go. there needs to be honesty. if they try to trap you or mislead you, then the relationship is probably doomed to end, rightfully so.

But is it misleading? If as a society we are to say they are a woman, because they identify that way, should they have to disclose they have a penis?

showa58taro wrote:

Foo wrote:

zombie wrote:as dating and relationships go. there needs to be honesty. if they try to trap you or mislead you, then the relationship is probably doomed to end, rightfully so.

But is it misleading? If as a society we are to say they are a woman, because they identify that way, should they have to disclose they have a penis?

Do you disclose to people that you have one?

Foo wrote:

showa58taro wrote:

Foo wrote:

zombie wrote:as dating and relationships go. there needs to be honesty. if they try to trap you or mislead you, then the relationship is probably doomed to end, rightfully so.

But is it misleading? If as a society we are to say they are a woman, because they identify that way, should they have to disclose they have a penis?

Do you disclose to people that you have one?

I have never misled anyone I have had a romantic relationship with. Identify as the biological male that I am.

showa58taro wrote:

Foo wrote:

showa58taro wrote:

Foo wrote:

zombie wrote:as dating and relationships go. there needs to be honesty. if they try to trap you or mislead you, then the relationship is probably doomed to end, rightfully so.

But is it misleading? If as a society we are to say they are a woman, because they identify that way, should they have to disclose they have a penis?

Do you disclose to people that you have one?

I have never misled anyone I have had a romantic relationship with. Identify as the biological male that I am.

Neither have the people you’re talking about.

Foo wrote:

zombie wrote:as dating and relationships go. there needs to be honesty. if they try to trap you or mislead you, then the relationship is probably doomed to end, rightfully so.

But is it misleading? If as a society we are to say they are a woman, because they identify that way, should they have to disclose they have a penis?

zombie wrote:

Foo wrote:

zombie wrote:as dating and relationships go. there needs to be honesty. if they try to trap you or mislead you, then the relationship is probably doomed to end, rightfully so.

But is it misleading? If as a society we are to say they are a woman, because they identify that way, should they have to disclose they have a penis?

if they do not disclose that they are trans to someone who is looking to start a relationship with them, then yeah, it's misleading. stop the trolling.

Foo wrote:

zombie wrote:

Foo wrote:

zombie wrote:as dating and relationships go. there needs to be honesty. if they try to trap you or mislead you, then the relationship is probably doomed to end, rightfully so.

But is it misleading? If as a society we are to say they are a woman, because they identify that way, should they have to disclose they have a penis?

if they do not disclose that they are trans to someone who is looking to start a relationship with them, then yeah, it's misleading. stop the trolling.

It is not trolling, it is highlighting that regardless of how they identify, they are not a woman. That is the entire point of the disclosure. "Hey, I know I try to act and look like a woman, but I am actually a man."

zombie wrote:

Foo wrote:

zombie wrote:

Foo wrote:

zombie wrote:as dating and relationships go. there needs to be honesty. if they try to trap you or mislead you, then the relationship is probably doomed to end, rightfully so.

But is it misleading? If as a society we are to say they are a woman, because they identify that way, should they have to disclose they have a penis?

if they do not disclose that they are trans to someone who is looking to start a relationship with them, then yeah, it's misleading. stop the trolling.

It is not trolling, it is highlighting that regardless of how they identify, they are not a woman. That is the entire point of the disclosure. "Hey, I know I try to act and look like a woman, but I am actually a man."

the reason for the disclosure is to disclose that they were not born as a woman, yeah.

Foo wrote:

zombie wrote:

Foo wrote:

zombie wrote:

Foo wrote:

zombie wrote:as dating and relationships go. there needs to be honesty. if they try to trap you or mislead you, then the relationship is probably doomed to end, rightfully so.

But is it misleading? If as a society we are to say they are a woman, because they identify that way, should they have to disclose they have a penis?

if they do not disclose that they are trans to someone who is looking to start a relationship with them, then yeah, it's misleading. stop the trolling.

It is not trolling, it is highlighting that regardless of how they identify, they are not a woman. That is the entire point of the disclosure. "Hey, I know I try to act and look like a woman, but I am actually a man."

the reason for the disclosure is to disclose that they were not born as a woman, yeah.

Actually it is to disclose their current state. They would not have to disclose other details of their birth.

"Hey, just wanted to talk to you about the fact that I was born with a misshapen head and I had to wear a helmet as a baby. You know, before we get naked."

zombie wrote:

Foo wrote:

zombie wrote:

Foo wrote:

zombie wrote:

Foo wrote:

zombie wrote:as dating and relationships go. there needs to be honesty. if they try to trap you or mislead you, then the relationship is probably doomed to end, rightfully so.

But is it misleading? If as a society we are to say they are a woman, because they identify that way, should they have to disclose they have a penis?

if they do not disclose that they are trans to someone who is looking to start a relationship with them, then yeah, it's misleading. stop the trolling.

It is not trolling, it is highlighting that regardless of how they identify, they are not a woman. That is the entire point of the disclosure. "Hey, I know I try to act and look like a woman, but I am actually a man."

the reason for the disclosure is to disclose that they were not born as a woman, yeah.

Actually it is to disclose their current state. They would not have to disclose other details of their birth.

"Hey, just wanted to talk to you about the fact that I was born with a misshapen head and I had to wear a helmet as a baby. You know, before we get naked."

fair. now we're just feeding a fed horse. time to move on.