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Statement from Mimi Soltysik, 2016 Socialist Party USA presidential candidate:

"Seeing a lot of liberal folks expressing dismay over the DACA announcement. Expressing dismay and anger is certainly reasonable. But much of that sentiment rings hollow without a contribution toward the work aimed at addressing systems that create the conditions for today's announcement. Voting for Democrats every four years has led us to today. Voting for Democrats every four years has delivered climate change. Voting for Democrats every four years has delivered police brutality, imperialism, and economic inequality.

Smarten up. Today's news hurts? It should. But be for real - it's going to hurt those affected much, much more than it's going to hurt you. And if you think that your inaction (or your choice of action) hasn't been noticed, think again."

DACA was just another Obama bomb. Something destined to explode but made him look good while he was lighting the fuze.

Reign in Blood wrote:

Jigsaw wrote:

Reign in Blood wrote:

Jigsaw wrote:

showa58taro wrote:

Reign in Blood wrote:Cruel and cowardly. Racist. This couldn't have possibly any benefit to anyone.

If you need to make gains on the back of the innocent and unprotected, how are you any better than a third world shithole?

Inb4theysayillegalsaren'tinnocentiftheycamehereillegalyandtheirkidsshouldbehungforbeingbrown.

True story, though.

Hung for being brown, wooo.

Indeed. Trying to channel my inner racist. Not too difficult when I read comments some Trump supporters make. That said, I certainly did exaggerate - even if someone actually believed that Latino children should be hung, they probably wouldn't say actually say it.

I think being hung for being too dark skinned works. However, what do we with the Asians, Jiggy?

Give them free video cameras and instruct them to make pornos, as long as their of legal age.

Jigsaw wrote:

Reign in Blood wrote:

Jigsaw wrote:

Reign in Blood wrote:

Jigsaw wrote:

showa58taro wrote:

Reign in Blood wrote:Cruel and cowardly. Racist. This couldn't have possibly any benefit to anyone.

If you need to make gains on the back of the innocent and unprotected, how are you any better than a third world shithole?

Inb4theysayillegalsaren'tinnocentiftheycamehereillegalyandtheirkidsshouldbehungforbeingbrown.

True story, though.

Hung for being brown, wooo.

Indeed. Trying to channel my inner racist. Not too difficult when I read comments some Trump supporters make. That said, I certainly did exaggerate - even if someone actually believed that Latino children should be hung, they probably wouldn't say actually say it.

I think being hung for being too dark skinned works. However, what do we with the Asians, Jiggy?

Give them free video cameras and instruct them to make pornos, as long as their of legal age.

LOLz. Fair enough.

RIP in Piss, DACA. One of Trump's best moves yet.

showa58taro wrote:

Foo wrote:

showa58taro wrote:

Reign in Blood wrote:

Foo wrote:Imagine if all these amazing people had stayed in Mexico over the past few decades. It might not be an epic shithole.

Now, now, they've made America great again.

You misspelled "tuck uhrr JAAAHBS"

As long as we have unskilled and unemployed Americans, why would we bring in labor to compete with them?

THere is no competition. Americans don't do those jobs.

But on the topic of DACA, the obvious problem is that they all arrived unable to have a say in their arrival, and definitely weren't brought in to do jobs. They just came with families, and are fully integrated in society now. This just feels like the perfect storm of the worst of Trump. Cruel and Cowardly. Get elected by racists and enact racist policies, not a surprise. But don't expect sympathy.

Bummer. Your idiot parents made poor decisions. America shouldn't be held responsible for their nonsense. Back to Meh-hee-co, y arriba y arriba!

What are the basis for these states lawsuits against Trump?

Tiggnutz wrote:What are the basis for these states lawsuits against Trump?

Since when do liberals need a decent argument to wet their diaper and sue somebody?

Foo wrote:

Tiggnutz wrote:What are the basis for these states lawsuits against Trump?

Since when do liberals need a decent argument to wet their diaper and sue somebody?

I can't see any argument let alone a decent argument here. Are they suing Trump for obeying the law?

Tiggnutz wrote:

Foo wrote:

Tiggnutz wrote:What are the basis for these states lawsuits against Trump?

Since when do liberals need a decent argument to wet their diaper and sue somebody?

I can't see any argument let alone a decent argument here. Are they suing Trump for obeying the law?

Even beyond that, you can't effectively sue someone when they have merely announced they are going to end an executive order in the future.

Interestingly enough, I talked to my immigration attorney today and she said they have been very busy over the last two days, presumably a bunch of people forced into finally doing what they were supposed to be doing all along.

Tiggnutz wrote:What are the basis for these states lawsuits against Trump?

First I've heard of it. Got a link?

showa58taro wrote:

Tiggnutz wrote:What are the basis for these states lawsuits against Trump?

First I've heard of it. Got a link?

Only what I've heard. 10 states suing Trump for ending DACA. It's probably just the ridiculous delay tactic of trying to tie shit up in court.

showa58taro wrote:

Tiggnutz wrote:What are the basis for these states lawsuits against Trump?

First I've heard of it. Got a link?

Losers, all around. https://uk.news.yahoo.com/washington-ot ... 08517.html

Tiggnutz wrote:

showa58taro wrote:

Tiggnutz wrote:What are the basis for these states lawsuits against Trump?

First I've heard of it. Got a link?

Only what I've heard. 10 states suing Trump for ending DACA. It's probably just the ridiculous delay tactic of trying to tie shit up in court.

Sounds like a right wing fake News story at this point.

Reign in Blood wrote:

showa58taro wrote:

Tiggnutz wrote:What are the basis for these states lawsuits against Trump?

First I've heard of it. Got a link?

Losers, all around. https://uk.news.yahoo.com/washington-ot ... 08517.html

Or not. I understand. NOne of this.

the more i read / hear about daca, the more it seems like a good thing. it's pretty strict on who it covers and the like. people who only know this country as their home, who may only speak english, who don't have a criminal record, who want to succeed in america. it is not given to everyone. i don't know why it was always going to implode, like tigg said.

but maybe i'm only getting this from left bias sources. tell me specifically why it's a problem, and who it harms? tell me why it's a good thing to end?

Reign in Blood wrote:

showa58taro wrote:

Tiggnutz wrote:What are the basis for these states lawsuits against Trump?

First I've heard of it. Got a link?

Losers, all around. https://uk.news.yahoo.com/washington-ot ... 08517.html

this just seems weird to me. can you actually sue, simply because someone has a bias? i don't like the decision, but this seems very much the wrong way to try to counter it.

zombie wrote:the more i read / hear about daca, the more it seems like a good thing. it's pretty strict on who it covers and the like. people who only know this country as their home, who may only speak english, who don't have a criminal record, who want to succeed in america. it is not given to everyone. i don't know why it was always going to implode, like tigg said.

but maybe i'm only getting this from left bias sources. tell me specifically why it's a problem, and who it harms? tell me why it's a good thing to end?

Beats me. I've seen nothing negative about the programme. The negative BS is the idea that states might sue the government for it. But as Jason said, that's the behaviour of losers.

zombie wrote:the more i read / hear about daca, the more it seems like a good thing. it's pretty strict on who it covers and the like. people who only know this country as their home, who may only speak english, who don't have a criminal record, who want to succeed in america. it is not given to everyone. i don't know why it was always going to implode, like tigg said.

but maybe i'm only getting this from left bias sources. tell me specifically why it's a problem, and who it harms? tell me why it's a good thing to end?

It harms you. It harms me. It harms every legal American citizen.

Some issues:

1. It is unconstitutional. The same laws failed to pass congress, so the president just unilaterally decided to implement a law that is at odds with immigration law.

2. It rewards illegal behavior. You will point to the children, but lets look at the parents. Are you willing to deport the parents who brought a minor here illegally while keeping the minor here?

3. It is an insult to everyone who goes about immigration the right way. My fiance and I are paying a lot of money, proving our case, and taking a lot of time to do things the right way. I am on my second successful business, she is a dentist, yet we have to prove she will not be a burden on society. Is it fair they just walk across the border and receives benefits a citizen here receives?

4. They are thieves. Yes, thieves. Do you know how much it costs society to educate a child? And yes, they are taking your job. Every person who is under employed on unemployed is denied an opportunity when someone is here working illegally.

5. It doesn't matter what a non-citizen WANTS. They are not entitled to it. Do through the proper process and ASK to be here.

6. Look to the name and the law. How does "deferred action" resolve anything? When the "deferred action" results in a deportation, how badly have you hurt them by giving them false hope.

Foo wrote:

zombie wrote:the more i read / hear about daca, the more it seems like a good thing. it's pretty strict on who it covers and the like. people who only know this country as their home, who may only speak english, who don't have a criminal record, who want to succeed in america. it is not given to everyone. i don't know why it was always going to implode, like tigg said.

but maybe i'm only getting this from left bias sources. tell me specifically why it's a problem, and who it harms? tell me why it's a good thing to end?

It harms you. It harms me. It harms every legal American citizen.

Some issues:

1. It is unconstitutional. The same laws failed to pass congress, so the president just unilaterally decided to implement a law that is at odds with immigration law.

2. It rewards illegal behavior. You will point to the children, but lets look at the parents. Are you willing to deport the parents who brought a minor here illegally while keeping the minor here?

3. It is an insult to everyone who goes about immigration the right way. My fiance and I are paying a lot of money, proving our case, and taking a lot of time to do things the right way. I am on my second successful business, she is a dentist, yet we have to prove she will not be a burden on society. Is it fair they just walk across the border and receives benefits a citizen here receives?

4. They are thieves. Yes, thieves. Do you know how much it costs society to educate a child? And yes, they are taking your job. Every person who is under employed on unemployed is denied an opportunity when someone is here working illegally.

5. It doesn't matter what a non-citizen WANTS. They are not entitled to it. Do through the proper process and ASK to be here.

6. Look to the name and the law. How does "deferred action" resolve anything? When the "deferred action" results in a deportation, how badly have you hurt them by giving them false hope.

the children should have known to not come into the country with their parents. that's true. and they're not just thieves, they're rapists too. and some may be nice people.

are they not paying money too? but it would have been better if the parents would have gone through legal means to bring their kids here, absolutely.