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zombie wrote: ↑Fri Dec 27, 2024 5:18 pm enh i don't think it will change anyone's mind, so i'll leave it.

That never stops me none.

I really enjoyed Breaking Bad but I've never had any inclination to rewatch it.

Breaking Bad is the only Mount Rushmore show I’ve never wanted to rewatch. I can revisit The Sopranos, The Wire or Mad Men any time

i do need to watch more of those rushmore shows.

zombie wrote: ↑Fri Dec 27, 2024 5:18 pm enh i don't think it will change anyone's mind, so i'll leave it.

My mind isn't really made up on her.

Jason wrote: ↑Fri Dec 27, 2024 5:55 pm

zombie wrote: ↑Fri Dec 27, 2024 5:18 pm enh i don't think it will change anyone's mind, so i'll leave it.

My mind isn't really made up on her.

she's not the best character but she isn't as bad as the internet says she is. now you're mind is made up!

zombie wrote: ↑Fri Dec 27, 2024 5:57 pm

Jason wrote: ↑Fri Dec 27, 2024 5:55 pm

zombie wrote: ↑Fri Dec 27, 2024 5:18 pm enh i don't think it will change anyone's mind, so i'll leave it.

My mind isn't really made up on her.

she's not the best character but she isn't as bad as the internet says she is. now you're mind is made up!

She's worse than you say she is?

Jason wrote: ↑Fri Dec 27, 2024 6:01 pm

zombie wrote: ↑Fri Dec 27, 2024 5:57 pm

Jason wrote: ↑Fri Dec 27, 2024 5:55 pm

zombie wrote: ↑Fri Dec 27, 2024 5:18 pm enh i don't think it will change anyone's mind, so i'll leave it.

My mind isn't really made up on her.

she's not the best character but she isn't as bad as the internet says she is. now you're mind is made up!

She's worse than you say she is?

yeah, i can go with that. i haven't delved into her as a character much beyond "she isn't quite that bad"

zombie wrote: ↑Fri Dec 27, 2024 6:05 pm

Jason wrote: ↑Fri Dec 27, 2024 6:01 pm

zombie wrote: ↑Fri Dec 27, 2024 5:57 pm

Jason wrote: ↑Fri Dec 27, 2024 5:55 pm

zombie wrote: ↑Fri Dec 27, 2024 5:18 pm enh i don't think it will change anyone's mind, so i'll leave it.

My mind isn't really made up on her.

she's not the best character but she isn't as bad as the internet says she is. now you're mind is made up!

She's worse than you say she is?

yeah, i can go with that. i haven't delved into her as a character much beyond "she isn't quite that bad"

Spoilers ahoy

Imagine your wife telling you she can't wait for the cancer to come back and kill you, when you never did anything to her.

Jason wrote: ↑Fri Dec 27, 2024 6:09 pm

zombie wrote: ↑Fri Dec 27, 2024 6:05 pm

Jason wrote: ↑Fri Dec 27, 2024 6:01 pm

zombie wrote: ↑Fri Dec 27, 2024 5:57 pm

Jason wrote: ↑Fri Dec 27, 2024 5:55 pm

zombie wrote: ↑Fri Dec 27, 2024 5:18 pm enh i don't think it will change anyone's mind, so i'll leave it.

My mind isn't really made up on her.

she's not the best character but she isn't as bad as the internet says she is. now you're mind is made up!

She's worse than you say she is?

yeah, i can go with that. i haven't delved into her as a character much beyond "she isn't quite that bad"

Spoilers ahoy

Imagine your wife telling you she can't wait for the cancer to come back and kill you, when you never did anything to her.

if i forced my drug and blood money onto my wife and children, i probably couldn't wait for my cancer to come back and kill me too.

zombie wrote: ↑Fri Dec 27, 2024 5:44 pm i do need to watch more of those rushmore shows.

Breaking Bad mastered building tension, The Wire mastered creating a layered world, The Sopranos and Mad Men in their own ways mastered character depth and were flawlessly written. I have a few other favorites but those four shows are perfect.

Headhunter wrote: ↑Fri Dec 27, 2024 6:26 pm

zombie wrote: ↑Fri Dec 27, 2024 5:44 pm i do need to watch more of those rushmore shows.

Breaking Bad mastered building tension, The Wire mastered creating a layered world, The Sopranos and Mad Men in their own ways mastered character depth and were flawlessly written. I have a few other favorites but those four shows are perfect.

what makes those other three shows more watchable for you?

sons of anarchy, peaky blinders, boardwalk empire... these and those three rushmore shows are just some that i should actually get off my ass and watch instead of another run through firefly. . i guess i can include game of thrones on that as well.

zombie wrote: ↑Fri Dec 27, 2024 6:29 pm

Headhunter wrote: ↑Fri Dec 27, 2024 6:26 pm

zombie wrote: ↑Fri Dec 27, 2024 5:44 pm i do need to watch more of those rushmore shows.

Breaking Bad mastered building tension, The Wire mastered creating a layered world, The Sopranos and Mad Men in their own ways mastered character depth and were flawlessly written. I have a few other favorites but those four shows are perfect.

what makes those other three shows more watchable for you?

Breaking Bad is built on that tension propelling you from one oh shit moment to the next. That makes it the easiest to binge on your first watch. But almost like a drug, the effect wears off a little bit when you know where it’s going. Mad Men is almost the opposite, there’s no real narrative tension but it’s always surreal watching how the characters adapt to the world around them changing.

I've rewatched the first 7 season of Game of Thrones at least 6 or 7 times.

zombie wrote: ↑Fri Dec 27, 2024 6:34 pm sons of anarchy, peaky blinders, boardwalk empire... these and those three rushmore shows are just some that i should actually get off my ass and watch instead of another run through firefly. . i guess i can include game of thrones on that as well.

Big fan of Boardwalk Empire as well.

zombie wrote: ↑Fri Dec 27, 2024 6:17 pm

Jason wrote: ↑Fri Dec 27, 2024 6:09 pm

zombie wrote: ↑Fri Dec 27, 2024 6:05 pm

Jason wrote: ↑Fri Dec 27, 2024 6:01 pm

zombie wrote: ↑Fri Dec 27, 2024 5:57 pm

Jason wrote: ↑Fri Dec 27, 2024 5:55 pm

zombie wrote: ↑Fri Dec 27, 2024 5:18 pm enh i don't think it will change anyone's mind, so i'll leave it.

My mind isn't really made up on her.

she's not the best character but she isn't as bad as the internet says she is. now you're mind is made up!

She's worse than you say she is?

yeah, i can go with that. i haven't delved into her as a character much beyond "she isn't quite that bad"

Spoilers ahoy

Imagine your wife telling you she can't wait for the cancer to come back and kill you, when you never did anything to her.

if i forced my drug and blood money onto my wife and children, i probably couldn't wait for my cancer to come back and kill me too.

You wouldn't be at least partly understanding that his intentions were to cook and sell enough to leave them with money instead of a giant hole of debt?

Jason wrote: ↑Fri Dec 27, 2024 7:29 pm

zombie wrote: ↑Fri Dec 27, 2024 6:17 pm

Jason wrote: ↑Fri Dec 27, 2024 6:09 pm

zombie wrote: ↑Fri Dec 27, 2024 6:05 pm

Jason wrote: ↑Fri Dec 27, 2024 6:01 pm

zombie wrote: ↑Fri Dec 27, 2024 5:57 pm

Jason wrote: ↑Fri Dec 27, 2024 5:55 pm

zombie wrote: ↑Fri Dec 27, 2024 5:18 pm enh i don't think it will change anyone's mind, so i'll leave it.

My mind isn't really made up on her.

she's not the best character but she isn't as bad as the internet says she is. now you're mind is made up!

She's worse than you say she is?

yeah, i can go with that. i haven't delved into her as a character much beyond "she isn't quite that bad"

Spoilers ahoy

Imagine your wife telling you she can't wait for the cancer to come back and kill you, when you never did anything to her.

if i forced my drug and blood money onto my wife and children, i probably couldn't wait for my cancer to come back and kill me too.

You wouldn't be at least partly understanding that his intentions were to cook and sell enough to leave them with money instead of a giant hole of debt?

that is what he intended before he started actually doing it, yeah. but i feel like we've run all the way through the morality and guilt or blame of the two characters. he is the better character in my opinion, because he is more fun to watch through the journey than she is. that's all. it doesn't have to be about putting yourself into his shoes or hers.

zombie wrote: ↑Fri Dec 27, 2024 7:36 pm

Jason wrote: ↑Fri Dec 27, 2024 7:29 pm

zombie wrote: ↑Fri Dec 27, 2024 6:17 pm

Jason wrote: ↑Fri Dec 27, 2024 6:09 pm

zombie wrote: ↑Fri Dec 27, 2024 6:05 pm

Jason wrote: ↑Fri Dec 27, 2024 6:01 pm

zombie wrote: ↑Fri Dec 27, 2024 5:57 pm

Jason wrote: ↑Fri Dec 27, 2024 5:55 pm

zombie wrote: ↑Fri Dec 27, 2024 5:18 pm enh i don't think it will change anyone's mind, so i'll leave it.

My mind isn't really made up on her.

she's not the best character but she isn't as bad as the internet says she is. now you're mind is made up!

She's worse than you say she is?

yeah, i can go with that. i haven't delved into her as a character much beyond "she isn't quite that bad"

Spoilers ahoy

Imagine your wife telling you she can't wait for the cancer to come back and kill you, when you never did anything to her.

if i forced my drug and blood money onto my wife and children, i probably couldn't wait for my cancer to come back and kill me too.

You wouldn't be at least partly understanding that his intentions were to cook and sell enough to leave them with money instead of a giant hole of debt?

that is what he intended before he started actually doing it, yeah. but i feel like we've run all the way through the morality and guilt or blame of the two characters. he is the better character in my opinion, because he is more fun to watch through the journey than she is. that's all. it doesn't have to be about putting yourself into his shoes or hers.

The point of the show is to put yourself in Walt's shoes. It is understandable and gradually becomes less so throughout the show.

Jason wrote: ↑Fri Dec 27, 2024 7:38 pm
The point of the show is to put yourself in Walt's shoes. It is understandable and gradually becomes less so throughout the show.

i don't think that is the point of the show. i don't think vince gilligan meant for us to sympathize with or root for walt, really.