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i don't know what to do about the stuff that is unavailable to be discovered or rediscovered. but i'm pretty sure that i can find all of the blaxploitation titles you mentioned to watch, as an example. and i intend to give it a go. (maybe after october, for the ones that aren't horror)

but wallowing and lamenting is also an option, if you wanna choose that. *shrug*

zombie wrote:i don't know what to do about the stuff that is unavailable to be discovered or rediscovered. but i'm pretty sure that i can find all of the blaxploitation titles you mentioned to watch, as an example. and i intend to give it a go. (maybe after october, for the ones that aren't horror)

but wallowing and lamenting is also an option, if you wanna choose that. *shrug*

Let me know if you find Black Cream (1972) Samuel L Jackson is allegedly in it in an early role.

Foo wrote:

zombie wrote:i don't know what to do about the stuff that is unavailable to be discovered or rediscovered. but i'm pretty sure that i can find all of the blaxploitation titles you mentioned to watch, as an example. and i intend to give it a go. (maybe after october, for the ones that aren't horror)

but wallowing and lamenting is also an option, if you wanna choose that. *shrug*

Let me know if you find Black Cream (1972) Samuel L Jackson is allegedly in it in an early role.

looks like even jay leno couldn't find it. i'm not gonna fare any better than him.

Why does it matter if we lose a bunch of mediocre films?

showa58taro wrote:Why does it matter if we lose a bunch of mediocre films?

Are you serious? I don't care if some films are complete and utter garbage piles they shouldn't be lost and as a film fan I would want to see them get some sort of recognition and be available on some format.

Natural Born Zombie Killers is a Shot on Video splatter movie from 1998 that barely anybody knows about. I found it randomly on Ebay and made a thread on the board wanting it to be seen by other Zombie genre fans.

As a Horror fan in general you wouldn't want to see any film lost, no matter the outcome of the film. We're slowly finding and releasing a decent amount of undiscovered films from the 80's like Evil In The Woods and the films of Chester Novell Turner. Is Black Devil Doll From Hell a good movie? Fuck no, but it shouldn't be forgotten.

Havok wrote:

showa58taro wrote:Why does it matter if we lose a bunch of mediocre films?

Are you serious? I don't care if some films are complete and utter garbage piles they shouldn't be lost and as a film fan I would want to see them get some sort of recognition and be available on some format.

Natural Born Zombie Killers is a Shot on Video splatter movie from 1998 that barely anybody knows about. I found it randomly on Ebay and made a thread on the board wanting it to be seen by other Zombie genre fans.

As a Horror fan in general you wouldn't want to see any film lost, no matter the outcome of the film. We're slowly finding and releasing a decent amount of undiscovered films from the 80's like Evil In The Woods and the films of Chester Novell Turner. Is Black Devil Doll From Hell a good movie? Fuck no, but it shouldn't be forgotten.

Agree entirely.

I just don't think the loss of obscure horror flicks has any relation whatsoever to politics.

Some movies, sure, but South of Hell Mountain (1971) is not obscure because some SJW's successfully banned the VHS tape from Hollywood Video.

If they were good they’d be available. They are all retained for posterity anyway, but clearly nobody wants to watch a lot of the stuff that is now gone.

showa58taro wrote:If they were good they’d be available. They are all retained for posterity anyway, but clearly nobody wants to watch a lot of the stuff that is now gone.

Clearly, some people do want to watch the more obscure stuff. Look at havok and I. Just because you don't doesn't mean no one cares if a movie is more difficult to find.

There are more than a few lost horror movies I very much want to see, so don't lump me in with people of zero curiosity for the obscure and lost.

Like Havok said, I don't care how bad a film is - none should ever be lost, and as fans of film in general, I find the idea that "well, they must suck, so who cares if they're gone," a rather distasteful proposition.

obscure doesn't always mean bad. lost doesn't always mean bad. but lost or obscure also doesn't mean banned or censored. it could just be that it slipped through the cracks or was forgotten. i don't see that "entire genres" are being lost, either. but it does happen and it shouldn't. if we can help it, by reminding people of the films and tv shows. awesome.

The reality is that not every hunk o junk can be put on Netflix. And they can’t produce a massive DVD or BluRay release. Some are old and not enough people care to do anything about that and that’s fine. If they were once on VHS or on YouTube or whatever then fine and dandy for you guys to use eBay or online auction sites or communities to get them. But if they are nowhere to be found then they clearly were not worth saving. So why be bothered.

showa58taro wrote:The reality is that not every hunk o junk can be put on Netflix. And they can’t produce a massive DVD or BluRay release. Some are old and not enough people care to do anything about that and that’s fine. If they were once on VHS or on YouTube or whatever then fine and dandy for you guys to use eBay or online auction sites or communities to get them. But if they are nowhere to be found then they clearly were not worth saving. So why be bothered.

I don't see the logic. If they are nowhere to be found, they clearly were not worth saving?

Who made you the one who gets to decide that?

The Spirits of Jupiter (1984) is quite difficult to find, and that means it's not as good as movies more available? Lost films are lost because they weren't worth keeping around?

Pure bullshit.

Every movie, even the shitty ones (Hillside Cannibals, for instance), have every right to be available, and if any film is ever lost, that does not automatically mean it wasn't worth keeping around.

Such a view is entirely antithetical to what I'd hope fans of movies would believe.

i feel like every movie would have it's fans, if it was there to find. the dead hate the living is just one i've found that likely will be lost over time. and that's a shame.

Jigsaw wrote:

showa58taro wrote:The reality is that not every hunk o junk can be put on Netflix. And they can’t produce a massive DVD or BluRay release. Some are old and not enough people care to do anything about that and that’s fine. If they were once on VHS or on YouTube or whatever then fine and dandy for you guys to use eBay or online auction sites or communities to get them. But if they are nowhere to be found then they clearly were not worth saving. So why be bothered.

I don't see the logic. If they are nowhere to be found, they clearly were not worth saving?

Who made you the one who gets to decide that?

The Spirits of Jupiter (1984) is quite difficult to find, and that means it's not as good as movies more available? Lost films are lost because they weren't worth keeping around?

Pure bullshit.

Every movie, even the shitty ones (Hillside Cannibals, for instance), have every right to be available, and if any film is ever lost, that does not automatically mean it wasn't worth keeping around.

Such a view is entirely antithetical to what I'd hope fans of movies would believe.

I’m highlighting a Darwinian Memological assessment of popular culture. It’s not a subjective assessment of what makes a good film it’s simply highlighting the empirical truth that if these films were universally seen as good or worthy of being restored or re-released or kept on a viewing platform they would be. They aren’t because there is insufficient in interest in them so they die. They become the Dodo of films. Your enjoyment of them makes them no less relevant.

And my point is that this is a good thing. Nobody is owed access or sight of every film. The natural selection process here is as with any cultural item including the hundreds of thousands of lost paintings, sculptures, books and plays. They all can be brought into the world but only those with real impact earn the right to stay.

zombie wrote:

Foo wrote:

zombie wrote:i don't know what to do about the stuff that is unavailable to be discovered or rediscovered. but i'm pretty sure that i can find all of the blaxploitation titles you mentioned to watch, as an example. and i intend to give it a go. (maybe after october, for the ones that aren't horror)

but wallowing and lamenting is also an option, if you wanna choose that. *shrug*

Let me know if you find Black Cream (1972) Samuel L Jackson is allegedly in it in an early role.

looks like even jay leno couldn't find it. i'm not gonna fare any better than him.

Wow, what effort!

It is important to understand how movie rights are often acquired and then the process by which they are "lost".

Over time, distribution companies acquire films. As they go out of business, change the business model, etc., they bundle those assets. A movie studio buys a bundle of several to get a few top titles. When reviewing the other films, a major studio may bury films because they are simply not worth it. Is it worth it for a multi-billion dollar studio to release a no-name movie that includes a graphic rape? Or murders that may remind people of real life events? Or is not deemed to be worth the creative services to produce the packaging, transfer, etc.?

There are hundreds of "Don't look in the basement!" and "The Pitchfork Massacre" out there yet to be discovered.

I need to read this whole thread, but so far.....agreeing with Foo here. What fun is in that?

showa58taro wrote:

Jigsaw wrote:

showa58taro wrote:The reality is that not every hunk o junk can be put on Netflix. And they can’t produce a massive DVD or BluRay release. Some are old and not enough people care to do anything about that and that’s fine. If they were once on VHS or on YouTube or whatever then fine and dandy for you guys to use eBay or online auction sites or communities to get them. But if they are nowhere to be found then they clearly were not worth saving. So why be bothered.

I don't see the logic. If they are nowhere to be found, they clearly were not worth saving?

Who made you the one who gets to decide that?

The Spirits of Jupiter (1984) is quite difficult to find, and that means it's not as good as movies more available? Lost films are lost because they weren't worth keeping around?

Pure bullshit.

Every movie, even the shitty ones (Hillside Cannibals, for instance), have every right to be available, and if any film is ever lost, that does not automatically mean it wasn't worth keeping around.

Such a view is entirely antithetical to what I'd hope fans of movies would believe.

They all can be brought into the world but only those with real impact earn the right to stay.

Entirely disagree. Every movie, by virtue of the work put into them by creating them, has a right to stay and be seen. Judging obscure movies as a whole as "unworthy" because of one or multiple reasons they were widely distributed is disturbing to me.

I'd rather have a hundred Zombie Bloodbath's over five The Conjurings.

Regardless, I think every movie, regardless of whether or not I liked it, has value and has the right to be seen by any who want to see it, period. No matter what the public thinks

Foo wrote:

zombie wrote:

Foo wrote:

zombie wrote:i don't know what to do about the stuff that is unavailable to be discovered or rediscovered. but i'm pretty sure that i can find all of the blaxploitation titles you mentioned to watch, as an example. and i intend to give it a go. (maybe after october, for the ones that aren't horror)

but wallowing and lamenting is also an option, if you wanna choose that. *shrug*

Let me know if you find Black Cream (1972) Samuel L Jackson is allegedly in it in an early role.

looks like even jay leno couldn't find it. i'm not gonna fare any better than him.

Wow, what effort!

until i mentioned making an effort, all you wanted to was have a group cry. i'm still going to try to find those flicks, and you're still going to lament.

Foo wrote:It is important to understand how movie rights are often acquired and then the process by which they are "lost".

Over time, distribution companies acquire films. As they go out of business, change the business model, etc., they bundle those assets. A movie studio buys a bundle of several to get a few top titles. When reviewing the other films, a major studio may bury films because they are simply not worth it. Is it worth it for a multi-billion dollar studio to release a no-name movie that includes a graphic rape? Or murders that may remind people of real life events? Or is not deemed to be worth the creative services to produce the packaging, transfer, etc.?

There are hundreds of "Don't look in the basement!" and "The Pitchfork Massacre" out there yet to be discovered.

but you framed this whole thing as a new era of censorship. you conspiracist, you.

showa58taro wrote:
I’m highlighting a Darwinian Memological assessment of popular culture. It’s not a subjective assessment of what makes a good film it’s simply highlighting the empirical truth that if these films were universally seen as good or worthy of being restored or re-released or kept on a viewing platform they would be. They aren’t because there is insufficient in interest in them so they die. They become the Dodo of films. Your enjoyment of them makes them no less relevant.

And my point is that this is a good thing. Nobody is owed access or sight of every film. The natural selection process here is as with any cultural item including the hundreds of thousands of lost paintings, sculptures, books and plays. They all can be brought into the world but only those with real impact earn the right to stay.

sure, there is going to be films that are moved over, and some just less and less seen, and some that just slipped by unseen. that's just the way it is. but that's not to say that they aren't worth something to someone. films will be lost. films will be rediscovered too. and i hope it's more rediscovering than losing. i'm gonna remind people of overlooked or underrated gems. everyone should, if they feel it's worth at least a watch.