January 25th 2018

[zombie]

I'm saying it's both historic and identity.

and i was saying that the topic i brought up a couple of days ago was different from the "identify you" thing, but close enough.

And I'm saying "I know, but Unforgiven applies to both".

so which of the five films that sum up your tastes would you give the boot to, for unforgiven's inclusion?

[Jason]

in what way? is this just about being set in the past?

Historic as in an all time great movie that will never be forgotten. I already forgot most of Logan. It's been done before. I guess just not in super hero form.

fair enough. i think that "historic" doesn't only mean as quality goes. it can also be with it's impact on film (even if it's only on a subgenre of film) but unforgiven is definitely seen as a classic. no one can take that away from it.

although, "i already forgot most of logan" does kind of seem like you're confusing "historic" with your own personal taste.

Historic definition reads... "famous or important in history, or potentially so"

If I'm already forgetting it, it can't be historic. :p

if you're the sole arbiter of what is historic and what's not, then fair play.

The awards shows certainly aren't. But it got nominated for "cool screenplay bro", which led to this conversation. :p

[Jason]

I'm saying it's both historic and identity.

and i was saying that the topic i brought up a couple of days ago was different from the "identify you" thing, but close enough.

And I'm saying "I know, but Unforgiven applies to both".

so which of the five films that sum up your tastes would you give the boot to, for unforgiven's inclusion?

Ghost, probably.

[zombie]

The awards shows certainly aren't. But it got nominated for "cool screenplay bro", which led to this conversation. :p

the awards shows may not be historic. certainly they aren't for every year. logan is a film included as a nominee, just as unforgiven was before it, and as such has the potential to be historic, regardless of whether the oscars for this year is historic or not. boo to your attempt at dismissing it.

[Jason]

The oscars is retarded. They can't decide what is historic and what isn't. It's a glorified opinion show.

[zombie]

the oscars aren't deciding anything, other than what films are nominated and win their award. that was never the question. and i'm go watch american werewolf in paris cause it's time better spent.

[DancesWithWerewolves]

would you guys consider logan to be historical or game changing? (because of being the first comic book superhero movie to be nominated for screenplay)

Historic for the genre at the Oscars, yeah, for exactly what you have in parenthesis. Well, not so much gamechanging, I'm sure there will be old foagie voters that turn their nose up at it thinking it's nothing but "funny books".

[DancesWithWerewolves]

in what way? is this just about being set in the past?

Historic as in an all time great movie that will never be forgotten. I already forgot most of Logan. It's been done before. I guess just not in super hero form.

fair enough. i think that "historic" doesn't only mean as quality goes. it can also be with it's impact on film (even if it's only on a subgenre of film) but unforgiven is definitely seen as a classic. no one can take that away from it.

although, "i already forgot most of logan" does kind of seem like you're confusing "historic" with your own personal taste.

Right. Once you make a mark thats's a notable achievement, it's there. Being the first in something is always historic.

[DancesWithWerewolves]

in what way? is this just about being set in the past?

Historic as in an all time great movie that will never be forgotten. I already forgot most of Logan. It's been done before. I guess just not in super hero form.

fair enough. i think that "historic" doesn't only mean as quality goes. it can also be with it's impact on film (even if it's only on a subgenre of film) but unforgiven is definitely seen as a classic. no one can take that away from it.

although, "i already forgot most of logan" does kind of seem like you're confusing "historic" with your own personal taste.

Historic definition reads... "famous or important in history, or potentially so"

If I'm already forgetting it, it can't be historic. :p

And in the genre's history, it is important and famous. It fits it ships.

[zombie]

would you guys consider logan to be historical or game changing? (because of being the first comic book superhero movie to be nominated for screenplay)

Historic for the genre at the Oscars, yeah, for exactly what you have in parenthesis. Well, not so much gamechanging, I'm sure there will be old foagie voters that turn their nose up at it thinking it's nothing but "funny books".

i think that could add more validity within the industry. it gives more credibility and something to work toward for comic book movies going forward. but we'll see.

[Jason]

in what way? is this just about being set in the past?

Historic as in an all time great movie that will never be forgotten. I already forgot most of Logan. It's been done before. I guess just not in super hero form.

fair enough. i think that "historic" doesn't only mean as quality goes. it can also be with it's impact on film (even if it's only on a subgenre of film) but unforgiven is definitely seen as a classic. no one can take that away from it.

although, "i already forgot most of logan" does kind of seem like you're confusing "historic" with your own personal taste.

Historic definition reads... "famous or important in history, or potentially so"

If I'm already forgetting it, it can't be historic. :p

And in the genre's history, it is important and famous. It fits it ships.

For superhero genre, yeah.

[DancesWithWerewolves]

would you guys consider logan to be historical or game changing? (because of being the first comic book superhero movie to be nominated for screenplay)

Historic for the genre at the Oscars, yeah, for exactly what you have in parenthesis. Well, not so much gamechanging, I'm sure there will be old foagie voters that turn their nose up at it thinking it's nothing but "funny books".

i think that could add more validity within the industry. it gives more credibility and something to work toward for comic book movies going forward. but we'll see.

The other reason I hesitate on "game changing" is that producers will listen to box office over critics/awards. It's nice to have the credibility, but if they continue doing giant CGI fests rather than more tighter, more-thought-put-into-it films like Logan, it really didn't change anything.

[DancesWithWerewolves]

in what way? is this just about being set in the past?

Historic as in an all time great movie that will never be forgotten. I already forgot most of Logan. It's been done before. I guess just not in super hero form.

fair enough. i think that "historic" doesn't only mean as quality goes. it can also be with it's impact on film (even if it's only on a subgenre of film) but unforgiven is definitely seen as a classic. no one can take that away from it.

although, "i already forgot most of logan" does kind of seem like you're confusing "historic" with your own personal taste.

Historic definition reads... "famous or important in history, or potentially so"

If I'm already forgetting it, it can't be historic. :p

And in the genre's history, it is important and famous. It fits it ships.

For superhero genre, yeah.

That's exactly what the context is.

[DancesWithWerewolves]

Got a mad hankering for bacon cheese fries.

It's been a while.

I'm going to feed into this.

[Jason]

I'm at the gym. And then I'm gonna boil a dry, flavorless chicken breast. Yum.

[zombie]

The other reason I hesitate on "game changing" is that producers will listen to box office over critics/awards. It's nice to have the credibility, but if they continue doing giant CGI fests rather than more tighter, more-thought-put-into-it films like Logan, it really didn't change anything.

how much of the giant cgi fest thing is like giving into the supposed "comic book movies can't be smart or dramatic" thing that is going on with the industry lately? if they don't make a change at all, then yeah, it's not going to change anything. hopefully it does make that change. but it won't be for every single film, even if there is some change.

[DancesWithWerewolves]

The other reason I hesitate on "game changing" is that producers will listen to box office over critics/awards. It's nice to have the credibility, but if they continue doing giant CGI fests rather than more tighter, more-thought-put-into-it films like Logan, it really didn't change anything.

how much of the giant cgi fest thing is like giving into the supposed "comic book movies can't be smart or dramatic" thing that is going on with the industry lately? if they don't make a change at all, then yeah, it's not going to change anything. hopefully it does make that change. but it won't be for every single film, even if there is some change.

No, it won't be for every single one, I wouldn't expect that. But there's been a definite glut of big CGI filled superhero movies and they are mostly plug-n-chug plots. Luckily i like most of the formula, but the fatigue for me is there. However, if they keep making shit-tons of money, producers are going to keep making them. Logan made good money, but not an amazing amount. We would have to wait and see if it really made a dent in what producers plan on doing.

I do know that WB is recalibrating their approach after JL flopped to high hell. Their slate right now does seem to concentrate on smaller superhero movies, but remains to be seen how bloated they will be.

[DancesWithWerewolves]

I'm at the gym. And then I'm gonna boil a dry, flavorless chicken breast. Yum.

I had hardboiled flavorless chicken babies for breakfast/lunch, lol.

[DancesWithWerewolves]

Also, Unforgiven was almost a movie I put in my 5 movie roundup. As was The Howling.

[Jason]

Who's the fella owns this shithole?