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zombie wrote:

Headhunter wrote:

zombie wrote:what are the ten best "new hollywood" movies? is this just the term for the non-studio system stuff of the 60s and 70s?

Narrowing that down to 10 is a hell of a task.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Hollywood

yeah, that looks like it pretty much covers all of the greats. from the 60s to the 90s.

It’s a lot. I think for anyone versed in film seeing the big productions of the 50s-early 60s tells you more. The film industry was getting its ass reamed by TV.

TV was the hot new commodity back then. Now TV is playing second fiddle to independent youtube channels and streaming sites like Hulu and shit...

Jason wrote:TV was the hot new commodity back then. Now TV is playing second fiddle to independent youtube channels and streaming sites like Hulu and shit...

hulu, netflix, amazon. etc. qualify for emmys, so it pretty much counts as an extension of tv as far as i'm concerned. and a case could be made that tv / streaming is better now than it has ever been.

Nah. TV runs shit now. It’s their golden age while Hollywood produces about 5 good movies a year.

Headhunter wrote:Nah. TV runs shit now. It’s their golden age while Hollywood produces about 5 good movies a year.

i'm not sure i agree with the five good movies a year thing. but i guess superhero movies is where all the attention goes, so it's easy to miss the other stuff.

zombie wrote:

Headhunter wrote:Nah. TV runs shit now. It’s their golden age while Hollywood produces about 5 good movies a year.

i'm not sure i agree with the five good movies a year thing. but i guess superhero movies is where all the attention goes, so it's easy to miss the other stuff.

Hard for independent stuff to make a dent. That’s why that era was so brilliant. The studios backed the idealists. Not anymore.

Headhunter wrote:

zombie wrote:

Headhunter wrote:Nah. TV runs shit now. It’s their golden age while Hollywood produces about 5 good movies a year.

i'm not sure i agree with the five good movies a year thing. but i guess superhero movies is where all the attention goes, so it's easy to miss the other stuff.

Hard for independent stuff to make a dent. That’s why that era was so brilliant. The studios backed the idealists. Not anymore.

could the superhero movies of today be like the musicals and historical films of the past? maybe we have a new independent movement on the horizon, or you don't think so?

A24 is awesome but nobody gives a fuck. People gave a fuck about Coppola and Scorsese and they had money behind them.

zombie wrote:

Headhunter wrote:

zombie wrote:

Headhunter wrote:Nah. TV runs shit now. It’s their golden age while Hollywood produces about 5 good movies a year.

i'm not sure i agree with the five good movies a year thing. but i guess superhero movies is where all the attention goes, so it's easy to miss the other stuff.

Hard for independent stuff to make a dent. That’s why that era was so brilliant. The studios backed the idealists. Not anymore.

could the superhero movies of today be like the musicals and historical films of the past? maybe we have a new independent movement on the horizon, or you don't think so?

Sure. When the profits drop, Hollywood adjusts. Hasn’t happened in this era.

i think horror is doing better than it had, in the 90s. (slightly less, though, than in the 2000s, before the superhero boom really got going) so that's something optimistic to leave on.

zombie wrote:i think horror is doing better than it had, in the 90s. (slightly less, though, than in the 2000s, before the superhero boom really got going) so that's something optimistic to leave on.

Horror will always find its way as a true niche. But it’s not very reliable as a case study imo.

I think it’s still a good era for cinema release films. Love a lot I go and see and they are definitely not all Superhero epics.

Headhunter wrote:Nah. TV runs shit now. It’s their golden age while Hollywood produces about 5 good movies a year.

I'm talking about TV as in a cable box hooked up to a satellite, etc... not the content.