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Foo wrote:

zombie wrote:i think that tying masculinity in to how hot i think your girlfriend / wife is, may be a large part of the problem.

what is an alpha male, by your estimation? what makes an alpha male, alpha? are you an alpha male?

Has nothing to do with that. It is about our evolutionary response to masculinity and beauty. Deep down, what we prize in people has not changed.

For decades baseball scouts asked to meet the girlfriends of prospects. Why? To look at them. It was a measure of confidence (still probably is but they can't write it in a report these days).

Probably by most standards, I am. My career choices, and being known to be an influencer in most situations would tend to get that label. High level competitive, etc.

so you're talking alpha, period? it did not seem that way through the argument with jiggy. but if that's all you meant, fair. i just got confused with mentioning construction workers vs. artists. and "real men" etc. my mistake.

I don't understand anyone staying in an abusive relationship either physical or mental. It's one of those things I will never understand.

zombie wrote:

Foo wrote:

zombie wrote:i think that tying masculinity in to how hot i think your girlfriend / wife is, may be a large part of the problem.

what is an alpha male, by your estimation? what makes an alpha male, alpha? are you an alpha male?

Has nothing to do with that. It is about our evolutionary response to masculinity and beauty. Deep down, what we prize in people has not changed.

For decades baseball scouts asked to meet the girlfriends of prospects. Why? To look at them. It was a measure of confidence (still probably is but they can't write it in a report these days).

Probably by most standards, I am. My career choices, and being known to be an influencer in most situations would tend to get that label. High level competitive, etc.

so you're talking alpha, period? it did not seem that way through the argument with jiggy. but if that's all you meant, fair. i just got confused with mentioning construction workers vs. artists. and "real men" etc. my mistake.

Plenty of alpha musicians, actors, etc. you don't walk into a room, command it, and basically tell everyone you are a star without being an alpha.

This is not just a human thing. Alphas exist all over the animal
Kingdom. Betas make great pets, which again ties into the fact that by feminizing our males, we are easier to control.

Foo wrote:

zombie wrote:

Foo wrote:

zombie wrote:i think that tying masculinity in to how hot i think your girlfriend / wife is, may be a large part of the problem.

what is an alpha male, by your estimation? what makes an alpha male, alpha? are you an alpha male?

Has nothing to do with that. It is about our evolutionary response to masculinity and beauty. Deep down, what we prize in people has not changed.

For decades baseball scouts asked to meet the girlfriends of prospects. Why? To look at them. It was a measure of confidence (still probably is but they can't write it in a report these days).

Probably by most standards, I am. My career choices, and being known to be an influencer in most situations would tend to get that label. High level competitive, etc.

so you're talking alpha, period? it did not seem that way through the argument with jiggy. but if that's all you meant, fair. i just got confused with mentioning construction workers vs. artists. and "real men" etc. my mistake.

Plenty of alpha musicians, actors, etc. you don't walk into a room, command it, and basically tell everyone you are a star without being an alpha.

This is not just a human thing. Alphas exist all over the animal
Kingdom. Betas make great pets, which again ties into the fact that by feminizing our males, we are easier to control.

yes, i understand the concept of alpha. i know what it means. tying status to masculinity is dangerous though. that's all.

Tiggnutz wrote:I don't understand anyone staying in an abusive relationship either physical or mental. It's one of those things I will never understand.

I can understand it in the traditional sense. Just laying out this scenario:

Bob and Jane meet. Things are amazing. Jane quits her job to take care of kids, or maybe Jane has never had a career. Bob, for whatever reason, becomes abusive at times. Jane is considering breaking up the family, losing her lifestyle, maybe even losing custody of her child.

Sad, for sure. I have seen it happen a bunch. Had to listen to the story way too many times in real estate when I had to sell a home because of it. Sometimes Bob resents Jane because at the time they need money the most, Jane quits working to stay with baby. Sometimes Jane resents Bob because he spends so much time at work.

zombie wrote:

Foo wrote:

zombie wrote:

Foo wrote:

zombie wrote:i think that tying masculinity in to how hot i think your girlfriend / wife is, may be a large part of the problem.

what is an alpha male, by your estimation? what makes an alpha male, alpha? are you an alpha male?

Has nothing to do with that. It is about our evolutionary response to masculinity and beauty. Deep down, what we prize in people has not changed.

For decades baseball scouts asked to meet the girlfriends of prospects. Why? To look at them. It was a measure of confidence (still probably is but they can't write it in a report these days).

Probably by most standards, I am. My career choices, and being known to be an influencer in most situations would tend to get that label. High level competitive, etc.

so you're talking alpha, period? it did not seem that way through the argument with jiggy. but if that's all you meant, fair. i just got confused with mentioning construction workers vs. artists. and "real men" etc. my mistake.

Plenty of alpha musicians, actors, etc. you don't walk into a room, command it, and basically tell everyone you are a star without being an alpha.

This is not just a human thing. Alphas exist all over the animal
Kingdom. Betas make great pets, which again ties into the fact that by feminizing our males, we are easier to control.

yes, i understand the concept of alpha. i know what it means. tying status to masculinity is dangerous though. that's all.

What is dangerous about it?

See how you have a warped viewpoint of masculinity? Notice how "toxic masculinity" is a commonly used phrase but feminist/femininity are viewed as positive by the leftists? Easier to control gentle sheep.

There would be no scenario where that would be acceptable or forgivable maybe it's just me. I know lots of people including friends of both genders who stay in horrible relationships.

Foo wrote:
What is dangerous about it?

See how you have a warped viewpoint of masculinity? Notice how "toxic masculinity" is a commonly used phrase but feminist/femininity are viewed as positive by the leftists? Easier to control gentle sheep.

you don't even know my view of masculinity. toxic masculinity is an often used phrase. i don't like using identity against people. i've already said that many times.

the danger of tying status to masculinity is that it gives the perception that you are not a man, if you don't reach "this level of success", or you don't have "this status symbol". if that status symbol happens to be a person, or a type of person, that person can use it against you. on top of which it can impact your self worth, negatively.

Ah, this is where Jiggy was. It all comes together.

For whatever it’s worth, I don’t know what feminine or masculine behavior is in this context. I have long hair, colorful ties, and don’t like cars or alcohol. But I am very influential, love sports, and like being a father. Where does that put me, and does it matter? It’s not like there’s only two settings for men, manly or girly. Any more than there are only Aloha and Beta makes. Meaningless boxing into single pots a diversity of guys.

You saw Jiggy whine about Foo on the facebook? :p

Jason wrote:You saw Jiggy whine about Foo on the facebook? :p

Didn’t know it was Foo but yeah. Was a fairly good gamble it was Foo but could be someone else. We have some pretty strong opinions on here.

showa58taro wrote:

Jason wrote:You saw Jiggy whine about Foo on the facebook? :p

Didn’t know it was Foo but yeah. Was a fairly good gamble it was Foo but could be someone else. We have some pretty strong opinions on here.

Alpha - talks to you directly
Beta - tells everyone else but you

Foo wrote:

showa58taro wrote:

Jason wrote:You saw Jiggy whine about Foo on the facebook? :p

Didn’t know it was Foo but yeah. Was a fairly good gamble it was Foo but could be someone else. We have some pretty strong opinions on here.

Alpha - talks to you directly
Beta - tells everyone else but you

and he did talk to you directly.

showa58taro wrote:Ah, this is where Jiggy was. It all comes together.

For whatever it’s worth, I don’t know what feminine or masculine behavior is in this context. I have long hair, colorful ties, and don’t like cars or alcohol. But I am very influential, love sports, and like being a father. Where does that put me, and does it matter? It’s not like there’s only two settings for men, manly or girly. Any more than there are only Aloha and Beta makes. Meaningless boxing into single pots a diversity of guys.

Alpha vs Beta It is not about superficial stuff. It is your ability to dominate by sheer will, to lead, to have others follow, to be a force. Elton John is an alpha. Liberace was an alpha. Kevin Spacey is an alpha.

Foo wrote:

showa58taro wrote:Ah, this is where Jiggy was. It all comes together.

For whatever it’s worth, I don’t know what feminine or masculine behavior is in this context. I have long hair, colorful ties, and don’t like cars or alcohol. But I am very influential, love sports, and like being a father. Where does that put me, and does it matter? It’s not like there’s only two settings for men, manly or girly. Any more than there are only Aloha and Beta makes. Meaningless boxing into single pots a diversity of guys.

Alpha vs Beta It is not about superficial stuff. It is your ability to dominate by sheer will, to lead, to have others follow, to be a force. Elton John is an alpha. Liberace was an alpha. Kevin Spacey is an alpha.

alpha males don't "allegedly" dominate children by sheer will, is all i'm saying. but aside from mention of him, can i "like" this post?

zombie wrote:

Foo wrote:

showa58taro wrote:Ah, this is where Jiggy was. It all comes together.

For whatever it’s worth, I don’t know what feminine or masculine behavior is in this context. I have long hair, colorful ties, and don’t like cars or alcohol. But I am very influential, love sports, and like being a father. Where does that put me, and does it matter? It’s not like there’s only two settings for men, manly or girly. Any more than there are only Aloha and Beta makes. Meaningless boxing into single pots a diversity of guys.

Alpha vs Beta It is not about superficial stuff. It is your ability to dominate by sheer will, to lead, to have others follow, to be a force. Elton John is an alpha. Liberace was an alpha. Kevin Spacey is an alpha.

alpha males don't "allegedly" dominate children by sheer will, is all i'm saying. but aside from mention of him, can i "like" this post?

Objectionable behavior has nothing to do with alpha/beta. Cosby is an alpha, Obama is an alpha, Lincoln was an alpha, Trump is an alpha.

Foo wrote:

zombie wrote:

Foo wrote:

showa58taro wrote:Ah, this is where Jiggy was. It all comes together.

For whatever it’s worth, I don’t know what feminine or masculine behavior is in this context. I have long hair, colorful ties, and don’t like cars or alcohol. But I am very influential, love sports, and like being a father. Where does that put me, and does it matter? It’s not like there’s only two settings for men, manly or girly. Any more than there are only Aloha and Beta makes. Meaningless boxing into single pots a diversity of guys.

Alpha vs Beta It is not about superficial stuff. It is your ability to dominate by sheer will, to lead, to have others follow, to be a force. Elton John is an alpha. Liberace was an alpha. Kevin Spacey is an alpha.

alpha males don't "allegedly" dominate children by sheer will, is all i'm saying. but aside from mention of him, can i "like" this post?

Objectionable behavior has nothing to do with alpha/beta. Cosby is an alpha, Obama is an alpha, Lincoln was an alpha, Trump is an alpha.

fair. at least we've moved into actually being about alphas, now.

let's get the ball rolling and name some alpha females?

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog ... one-part-1

Love that beta male magazine cover. Perfect.

alpha is not synonymous with masculine. beta is not synonymous with feminine.