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Tiggnutz wrote:

Headhunter wrote:Really, conservatism is dead. It's just the cult of Trump on the right now, by necessity. The Democrats can never come together because the moderates and far left are constantly fighting. The far left doesn't seem to realize all they do is run interference for Republicans.

Only Republican incompetence (which is as assured as anything) can help the Democrats from screwing themselves time and time again. It's the saddest game of ping pong ever.

All but a few Republicans hate Trump he's tried very hard to piss away a great opportunity his clownish antics have been a constant headache for them

So they're gutless at best.

Foo wrote:

Headhunter wrote:The smaller the voting base, the better chance of Republicans winning. They do whatever it takes to keep that base as small as possible. Not even getting into the gerrymandering shenanigans that have almost exclusively benefitted them in recent years.

I heard they even tried to stop an illegal immigrant from voting! *gasp*

How dare they!

Conservatives being utterly terrified of people who do shit jobs nobody else will work for little money is so funny. You guys are a caricature.

Headhunter wrote:

Tiggnutz wrote:

Headhunter wrote:Really, conservatism is dead. It's just the cult of Trump on the right now, by necessity. The Democrats can never come together because the moderates and far left are constantly fighting. The far left doesn't seem to realize all they do is run interference for Republicans.

Only Republican incompetence (which is as assured as anything) can help the Democrats from screwing themselves time and time again. It's the saddest game of ping pong ever.

All but a few Republicans hate Trump he's tried very hard to piss away a great opportunity his clownish antics have been a constant headache for them

So they're gutless at best.

Are you expecting a mutiny?

Tiggnutz wrote:

Headhunter wrote:

Tiggnutz wrote:

Headhunter wrote:Really, conservatism is dead. It's just the cult of Trump on the right now, by necessity. The Democrats can never come together because the moderates and far left are constantly fighting. The far left doesn't seem to realize all they do is run interference for Republicans.

Only Republican incompetence (which is as assured as anything) can help the Democrats from screwing themselves time and time again. It's the saddest game of ping pong ever.

All but a few Republicans hate Trump he's tried very hard to piss away a great opportunity his clownish antics have been a constant headache for them

So they're gutless at best.

Are you expecting a mutiny?

No, I'm not expecting anything from Republicans. They are worms.

showa58taro wrote:

Tiggnutz wrote:

showa58taro wrote:Best thing for both parties and sides is for Kavanaugh to withdraw and for Trump to go with one of the other conservatives.

Fuck that and set precedent that you can block anyone at anytime with accusations and hearsay. If you have proof provide it if not sorry

Good talk.

There were many good points...on both sides

Headhunter wrote:Really, conservatism is dead. It's just the cult of Trump on the right now, by necessity. The Democrats can never come together because the moderates and far left are constantly fighting. The far left doesn't seem to realize all they do is run interference for Republicans.

I'm calling bullshit.

As a far-leftist, I do not owe any Democrat my vote, and saying that because I refuse to vote for Democrats, I'm "running interference" for the Republicans seems rather incorrect. I hate the Republicans the same as I hate the Democrats.

You can see it how you like - I know Democratic friends hate my guts. But until they run leftist candidates worth voting for, the Democratic Party and their blind sheep supporters can go fuck themselves. I'm not going to be voting for Gillibrand, Booker, Biden, Kaine, or any big name Democrat considering 2020, so they need to start getting over it now.

In the mid-terms? I don't believe there's a single Democrat getting my vote here in Indiana, and I don't feel the least bit guilty.

I love the idea that far-left individuals who vote third party "don't seem to know" we're "helping" Republicans.

Believe me, every Democratic jackass, as soon as they hear we didn't vote for Clinton, gets on our asses about it and doesn't shut up. We know damn well what Democratic-supporting idiots think.

Ralph Nader and Jill Stein were really helpful to the cause.

Headhunter wrote:Ralph Nader and Jill Stein were really helpful to the cause.

I'd have rather voted for them than individuals like Gore, Kerry, Obama, or Clinton without hesitation or doubt.

Jigsaw wrote:I love the idea that far-left individuals who vote third party "don't seem to know" we're "helping" Republicans.

Believe me, every Democratic jackass, as soon as they hear we didn't vote for Clinton, gets on our asses about it and doesn't shut up. We know damn well what Democratic-supporting idiots think.

And you also understand the mechanism of a two party system.

So what are you calling bullshit on? I'm just laying out hard truths. You help Republicans. It is what it is. How comfortable you are with it is between you and your conscience.

Jigsaw wrote:

Headhunter wrote:Ralph Nader and Jill Stein were really helpful to the cause.

I'd have rather voted for them than individuals like Gore, Kerry, Obama, or Clinton without hesitation or doubt.

And you're comfortable with the consequences of that? So what are you complaining about?

Headhunter wrote:

Jigsaw wrote:I love the idea that far-left individuals who vote third party "don't seem to know" we're "helping" Republicans.

Believe me, every Democratic jackass, as soon as they hear we didn't vote for Clinton, gets on our asses about it and doesn't shut up. We know damn well what Democratic-supporting idiots think.

And you also understand the mechanism of a two party system.

So what are you calling bullshit on? I'm just laying out hard truths. You help Republicans. It is what it is. How comfortable you are with it is between you and your conscience.

"Helping Republicans" isn't how I see voting third party at all. That is a slant you are taking.

The truth is I am voting for leftist third party candidates. The truth is I dislike both Democrats and Republicans. The truth is that neither party runs candidates I have any interest in supporting.

And in your eyes, just because I am not voting for Democrats, I'm "helping Republicans."

That may be how you see it, but I do not accept that as truth.

Headhunter wrote:

Jigsaw wrote:

Headhunter wrote:Ralph Nader and Jill Stein were really helpful to the cause.

I'd have rather voted for them than individuals like Gore, Kerry, Obama, or Clinton without hesitation or doubt.

And you're comfortable with the consequences of that? So what are you complaining about?

The night that Hillary Clinton lost was, as a leftist, perhaps one of the best nights of my life. So I am indeed entirely comfortable with it.

I'm complaining about how you see it purely as helping Republicans without addressing the fact that we, on the far-left, have no more interest in helping Republicans into office than we do Democrats.

Jigsaw wrote:

Headhunter wrote:

Jigsaw wrote:I love the idea that far-left individuals who vote third party "don't seem to know" we're "helping" Republicans.

Believe me, every Democratic jackass, as soon as they hear we didn't vote for Clinton, gets on our asses about it and doesn't shut up. We know damn well what Democratic-supporting idiots think.

And you also understand the mechanism of a two party system.

So what are you calling bullshit on? I'm just laying out hard truths. You help Republicans. It is what it is. How comfortable you are with it is between you and your conscience.

"Helping Republicans" isn't how I see voting third party at all. That is a slant you are taking.

The truth is I am voting for leftist third party candidates. The truth is I dislike both Democrats and Republicans. The truth is that neither party runs candidates I have any interest in supporting.

And in your eyes, just because I am not voting for Democrats, I'm "helping Republicans."

That may be how you see it, but I do not accept that as truth.

It's because it's non-sense, Jiggy. You keep sticking to your principles and tell Headward to shut it.

Jigsaw wrote:

Headhunter wrote:

Jigsaw wrote:I love the idea that far-left individuals who vote third party "don't seem to know" we're "helping" Republicans.

Believe me, every Democratic jackass, as soon as they hear we didn't vote for Clinton, gets on our asses about it and doesn't shut up. We know damn well what Democratic-supporting idiots think.

And you also understand the mechanism of a two party system.

So what are you calling bullshit on? I'm just laying out hard truths. You help Republicans. It is what it is. How comfortable you are with it is between you and your conscience.

"Helping Republicans" isn't how I see voting third party at all. That is a slant you are taking.

The truth is I am voting for leftist third party candidates. The truth is I dislike both Democrats and Republicans. The truth is that neither party runs candidates I have any interest in supporting.

And in your eyes, just because I am not voting for Democrats, I'm "helping Republicans."

That may be how you see it, but I do not accept that as truth.

Jig, I'm a pragmatist, not an idealist. Two parties matter. If you're taking away a vote for one, you essentially help the other. Since Republicans rely on low turnouts, your vote is as good as not showing up. You can spin it however you want, those are the consequences. 99.9% of Americans don't care who Joe Blow Socialist is, or Larry Libertarian or whoever.

Obviously, I am a strong supporter of voting third party. Even third parties I don't agree with, such as the Libertarian Party or the Constitution Party, are choices that voters should be aware of before making their final choice.

Unlike Republicans or Democrats, I will NEVER shame someone for voting for a candidate they believe in, which is something that two-party system supporters will never be able to understand.

Jigsaw wrote:

Headhunter wrote:

Jigsaw wrote:

Headhunter wrote:Ralph Nader and Jill Stein were really helpful to the cause.

I'd have rather voted for them than individuals like Gore, Kerry, Obama, or Clinton without hesitation or doubt.

And you're comfortable with the consequences of that? So what are you complaining about?

The night that Hillary Clinton lost was, as a leftist, perhaps one of the best nights of my life. So I am indeed entirely comfortable with it.

I'm complaining about how you see it purely as helping Republicans without addressing the fact that we, on the far-left, have no more interest in helping Republicans into office than we do Democrats.

Again, you can spin it however you want as an idealist. I am just stating the large scale consequences. You help Republicans. Cool. When I voted Libertarian, I helped Democrats. Let's be real.

Headhunter wrote:

Jigsaw wrote:

Headhunter wrote:

Jigsaw wrote:I love the idea that far-left individuals who vote third party "don't seem to know" we're "helping" Republicans.

Believe me, every Democratic jackass, as soon as they hear we didn't vote for Clinton, gets on our asses about it and doesn't shut up. We know damn well what Democratic-supporting idiots think.

And you also understand the mechanism of a two party system.

So what are you calling bullshit on? I'm just laying out hard truths. You help Republicans. It is what it is. How comfortable you are with it is between you and your conscience.

"Helping Republicans" isn't how I see voting third party at all. That is a slant you are taking.

The truth is I am voting for leftist third party candidates. The truth is I dislike both Democrats and Republicans. The truth is that neither party runs candidates I have any interest in supporting.

And in your eyes, just because I am not voting for Democrats, I'm "helping Republicans."

That may be how you see it, but I do not accept that as truth.

Jig, I'm a pragmatist, not an idealist. Two parties matter. If you're taking away a vote for one, you essentially help the other. Since Republicans rely on low turnouts, your vote is as good as not showing up. You can spin it however you want, those are the consequences. 99.9% of Americans don't care who Joe Blow Socialist is, or Larry Libertarian or whoever.

I "took away" a vote from both.

No party owns our votes.

If Jill Stein wasn't on the ballot or an option to write-in, do you really think that they en masse would have voted for Clinton? Most Stein supporters I know simply wouldn't have voted, and Trump would have won anyway.

The whole "people are either Democrats or Republicans" mind-set is just ridiculous.

If Stein wasn't a choice, I would have written in Monica Moorehead (WWP). If neither Stein nor Moorehead were choices, I would have written in Mimi Soltysik (SPUSA).

If Soltysik, Stein, or Moorehead were not choices, I wouldn't have voted, period.