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Tiggnutz wrote:I do not like Trump but he has forced both sides to work together to get something done.

Bull fucking shit. He’s forced millions to now pay much higher premiums and found a way to make sick people die not from disease but rather from the fact that no plan will be cost effective making cancer a death sentence and a way to ruin their lives and those they love.

Meanwhile there was already a bipartisan effort to find ways to fix the problems inherent in the system. As that’s ckearlybtge only way forward since 11 months after they had 7 years to come up with a plan so far that was different, so far Republicans have sweet motherfucking fuckall to show for their “ideas”.

So yeah, fine, millions will be put out and thousands will die whilst the bipartisan solution continues to be crafted. Great job, well done.

Tiggnutz wrote:

showa58taro wrote:

Tiggnutz wrote:

showa58taro wrote:

Tiggnutz wrote:

showa58taro wrote:

Tiggnutz wrote:I agree with this not paying into a failed plan our shitty congress needs motivation to get something done. If this isn't motivation than just like everything one side doesn't want it fixed.

Yup. Seems wise. Fuck over the poor and ruin lives so congress get motivation. No downside.

Why wait for that to happen anyways .Without fixing it fails so why not force it to happen now

Like I said no downside. Fuck the poor. Fuck the sick. Fuck the elderly. Foo has a third restaurant to open, get your diseased claws off his moolah.

Do you think everyone is rooting for the poor to suffer that's just stupid

Yes. If you see “Trump to eliminate subsidy payments for poor people” and don’t go “what a cunt” then you are de facto going “yeah, fuck the poor” here, at least for me. It’s simpke. Either you want poor people to have healthcare or you want them to hurry up and die so they decrease the surplus population.

But black and white perhaps but Foo has as much nuance as a blank A4 page and the depth of a glass of water so why wouldn’t it work for the other side of the argument.

Again Foo do you consider his views the same as all opposed to yours. Tigg gots his own

No, I’m highlighting Foo gets away with extreme generalizations about blacks people, poor people and transgendered people. So why can’t I. Is there more nuance, maybe but honestly this feels like a classically easy time to say that what he’s doing is wrong, and yet everyone seems to find an excuse for this failed administrations further failures as somehow “part of a plan”

Or people paid to make policy do there job and make something that works

Tiggnutz wrote:Or people paid to make policy do there job and make something that works

In no other problem would you go for this solution. Basically throwing a child in the sea and saying “bet you want to swim now” here.

Imagine if we did this with tax reform. “Don’t agree, fuck it, tax everyone st 80%. Bet we can find a good plan now”

showa58taro wrote:

Tiggnutz wrote:

showa58taro wrote:

Tiggnutz wrote:

showa58taro wrote:

Tiggnutz wrote:

showa58taro wrote:

Tiggnutz wrote:I agree with this not paying into a failed plan our shitty congress needs motivation to get something done. If this isn't motivation than just like everything one side doesn't want it fixed.

Yup. Seems wise. Fuck over the poor and ruin lives so congress get motivation. No downside.

Why wait for that to happen anyways .Without fixing it fails so why not force it to happen now

Like I said no downside. Fuck the poor. Fuck the sick. Fuck the elderly. Foo has a third restaurant to open, get your diseased claws off his moolah.

Do you think everyone is rooting for the poor to suffer that's just stupid

Yes. If you see “Trump to eliminate subsidy payments for poor people” and don’t go “what a cunt” then you are de facto going “yeah, fuck the poor” here, at least for me. It’s simpke. Either you want poor people to have healthcare or you want them to hurry up and die so they decrease the surplus population.

But black and white perhaps but Foo has as much nuance as a blank A4 page and the depth of a glass of water so why wouldn’t it work for the other side of the argument.

Again Foo do you consider his views the same as all opposed to yours. Tigg gots his own

No, I’m highlighting Foo gets away with extreme generalizations about blacks people, poor people and transgendered people. So why can’t I. Is there more nuance, maybe but honestly this feels like a classically easy time to say that what he’s doing is wrong, and yet everyone seems to find an excuse for this failed administrations further failures as somehow “part of a plan”

This is something everyone should understand Foo,Seb,Tigg,Head,Zombs,Jason and all who contribute to this thread are all decent people with a varied of opinions but I would bet my house none are evil or stupid. It's what's the problem with this thread and the world in general. Inability to talk and compromise.

Tiggnutz wrote:

showa58taro wrote:

Tiggnutz wrote:

showa58taro wrote:

Tiggnutz wrote:

showa58taro wrote:

Tiggnutz wrote:

showa58taro wrote:

Tiggnutz wrote:I agree with this not paying into a failed plan our shitty congress needs motivation to get something done. If this isn't motivation than just like everything one side doesn't want it fixed.

Yup. Seems wise. Fuck over the poor and ruin lives so congress get motivation. No downside.

Why wait for that to happen anyways .Without fixing it fails so why not force it to happen now

Like I said no downside. Fuck the poor. Fuck the sick. Fuck the elderly. Foo has a third restaurant to open, get your diseased claws off his moolah.

Do you think everyone is rooting for the poor to suffer that's just stupid

Yes. If you see “Trump to eliminate subsidy payments for poor people” and don’t go “what a cunt” then you are de facto going “yeah, fuck the poor” here, at least for me. It’s simpke. Either you want poor people to have healthcare or you want them to hurry up and die so they decrease the surplus population.

But black and white perhaps but Foo has as much nuance as a blank A4 page and the depth of a glass of water so why wouldn’t it work for the other side of the argument.

Again Foo do you consider his views the same as all opposed to yours. Tigg gots his own

No, I’m highlighting Foo gets away with extreme generalizations about blacks people, poor people and transgendered people. So why can’t I. Is there more nuance, maybe but honestly this feels like a classically easy time to say that what he’s doing is wrong, and yet everyone seems to find an excuse for this failed administrations further failures as somehow “part of a plan”

This is something everyone should understand Foo,Seb,Tigg,Head,Zombs,Jason and all who contribute to this thread are all decent people with a varied of opinions but I would bet my house none are evil or stupid. It's what's the problem with this thread and the world in general. Inability to talk and compromise.

Well I don’t know what the compromise is going to be about killing poor people. Maybe you can just kill them slower?

Tiggnutz wrote: This is something everyone should understand Foo,Seb,Tigg,Head,Zombs,Jason and all who contribute to this thread are all decent people with a varied of opinions but I would bet my house none are evil or stupid. It's what's the problem with this thread and the world in general. Inability to talk and compromise.

i don't think you should have to compromise. but talking and discussing civilly and respectfully would be nice. not jumping to conclusions or forcing a narrative onto people would be nice. there is nuance with every point of view and every political leaning. foo is different from tigg. seb is different from jmac. etc. don't lump us all together, and don't assume we're all bigoted or stupid, because someone who identifies the same way is those things.

showa58taro wrote:

Tiggnutz wrote:

showa58taro wrote:

Tiggnutz wrote:

showa58taro wrote:

Tiggnutz wrote:

showa58taro wrote:

Tiggnutz wrote:

showa58taro wrote:

Tiggnutz wrote:I agree with this not paying into a failed plan our shitty congress needs motivation to get something done. If this isn't motivation than just like everything one side doesn't want it fixed.

Yup. Seems wise. Fuck over the poor and ruin lives so congress get motivation. No downside.

Why wait for that to happen anyways .Without fixing it fails so why not force it to happen now

Like I said no downside. Fuck the poor. Fuck the sick. Fuck the elderly. Foo has a third restaurant to open, get your diseased claws off his moolah.

Do you think everyone is rooting for the poor to suffer that's just stupid

Yes. If you see “Trump to eliminate subsidy payments for poor people” and don’t go “what a cunt” then you are de facto going “yeah, fuck the poor” here, at least for me. It’s simpke. Either you want poor people to have healthcare or you want them to hurry up and die so they decrease the surplus population.

But black and white perhaps but Foo has as much nuance as a blank A4 page and the depth of a glass of water so why wouldn’t it work for the other side of the argument.

Again Foo do you consider his views the same as all opposed to yours. Tigg gots his own

No, I’m highlighting Foo gets away with extreme generalizations about blacks people, poor people and transgendered people. So why can’t I. Is there more nuance, maybe but honestly this feels like a classically easy time to say that what he’s doing is wrong, and yet everyone seems to find an excuse for this failed administrations further failures as somehow “part of a plan”

This is something everyone should understand Foo,Seb,Tigg,Head,Zombs,Jason and all who contribute to this thread are all decent people with a varied of opinions but I would bet my house none are evil or stupid. It's what's the problem with this thread and the world in general. Inability to talk and compromise.

Well I don’t know what the compromise is going to be about killing poor people. Maybe you can just kill them slower?

Figure something out that works and is sustainable it's not impossible. Attacking good people is a tactic a shitty tactic that devides and is a roadblock to compromise for both sides

Tiggnutz wrote:

showa58taro wrote:

Tiggnutz wrote:

showa58taro wrote:

Tiggnutz wrote:

showa58taro wrote:

Tiggnutz wrote:

showa58taro wrote:

Tiggnutz wrote:

showa58taro wrote:

Tiggnutz wrote:I agree with this not paying into a failed plan our shitty congress needs motivation to get something done. If this isn't motivation than just like everything one side doesn't want it fixed.

Yup. Seems wise. Fuck over the poor and ruin lives so congress get motivation. No downside.

Why wait for that to happen anyways .Without fixing it fails so why not force it to happen now

Like I said no downside. Fuck the poor. Fuck the sick. Fuck the elderly. Foo has a third restaurant to open, get your diseased claws off his moolah.

Do you think everyone is rooting for the poor to suffer that's just stupid

Yes. If you see “Trump to eliminate subsidy payments for poor people” and don’t go “what a cunt” then you are de facto going “yeah, fuck the poor” here, at least for me. It’s simpke. Either you want poor people to have healthcare or you want them to hurry up and die so they decrease the surplus population.

But black and white perhaps but Foo has as much nuance as a blank A4 page and the depth of a glass of water so why wouldn’t it work for the other side of the argument.

Again Foo do you consider his views the same as all opposed to yours. Tigg gots his own

No, I’m highlighting Foo gets away with extreme generalizations about blacks people, poor people and transgendered people. So why can’t I. Is there more nuance, maybe but honestly this feels like a classically easy time to say that what he’s doing is wrong, and yet everyone seems to find an excuse for this failed administrations further failures as somehow “part of a plan”

This is something everyone should understand Foo,Seb,Tigg,Head,Zombs,Jason and all who contribute to this thread are all decent people with a varied of opinions but I would bet my house none are evil or stupid. It's what's the problem with this thread and the world in general. Inability to talk and compromise.

Well I don’t know what the compromise is going to be about killing poor people. Maybe you can just kill them slower?

Figure something out that works and is sustainable it's not impossible. Attacking good people is a tactic a shitty tactic that devides and is a roadblock to compromise for both sides

I’ve already posted repeated ways to fix Obamacare and to move you to a sustainable form of healthcare. Nobody cares. EuroTrash for all.

showa58taro wrote:

Tiggnutz wrote:

showa58taro wrote:

Tiggnutz wrote:

showa58taro wrote:

Tiggnutz wrote:

showa58taro wrote:

Tiggnutz wrote:

showa58taro wrote:

Tiggnutz wrote:

showa58taro wrote:

Tiggnutz wrote:I agree with this not paying into a failed plan our shitty congress needs motivation to get something done. If this isn't motivation than just like everything one side doesn't want it fixed.

Yup. Seems wise. Fuck over the poor and ruin lives so congress get motivation. No downside.

Why wait for that to happen anyways .Without fixing it fails so why not force it to happen now

Like I said no downside. Fuck the poor. Fuck the sick. Fuck the elderly. Foo has a third restaurant to open, get your diseased claws off his moolah.

Do you think everyone is rooting for the poor to suffer that's just stupid

Yes. If you see “Trump to eliminate subsidy payments for poor people” and don’t go “what a cunt” then you are de facto going “yeah, fuck the poor” here, at least for me. It’s simpke. Either you want poor people to have healthcare or you want them to hurry up and die so they decrease the surplus population.

But black and white perhaps but Foo has as much nuance as a blank A4 page and the depth of a glass of water so why wouldn’t it work for the other side of the argument.

Again Foo do you consider his views the same as all opposed to yours. Tigg gots his own

No, I’m highlighting Foo gets away with extreme generalizations about blacks people, poor people and transgendered people. So why can’t I. Is there more nuance, maybe but honestly this feels like a classically easy time to say that what he’s doing is wrong, and yet everyone seems to find an excuse for this failed administrations further failures as somehow “part of a plan”

This is something everyone should understand Foo,Seb,Tigg,Head,Zombs,Jason and all who contribute to this thread are all decent people with a varied of opinions but I would bet my house none are evil or stupid. It's what's the problem with this thread and the world in general. Inability to talk and compromise.

Well I don’t know what the compromise is going to be about killing poor people. Maybe you can just kill them slower?

Figure something out that works and is sustainable it's not impossible. Attacking good people is a tactic a shitty tactic that devides and is a roadblock to compromise for both sides

I’ve already posted repeated ways to fix Obamacare and to move you to a sustainable form of healthcare. Nobody cares. EuroTrash for all.

We are just cats talking it's not a competition none of us make decisions. I respect your passion but we are just talking

Actually we are friends talking to each other there should be no reason for it to progress to anything other than that. Buddy's sharing ideas.

Tiggnutz wrote:Actually we are friends talking to each other there should be no reason for it to progress to anything other than that. Buddy's sharing ideas.

Something to that effect anyway.

showa58taro wrote:

Tiggnutz wrote:Actually we are friends talking to each other there should be no reason for it to progress to anything other than that. Buddy's sharing ideas.

Something to that effect anyway.

People being civil to each other is the basis of all great things.

Tiggnutz wrote:

showa58taro wrote:

Tiggnutz wrote:Actually we are friends talking to each other there should be no reason for it to progress to anything other than that. Buddy's sharing ideas.

Something to that effect anyway.

People being civil to each other is the basis of all great things.

Hogwash! As Americans we will not stand for Seb's EuroTrash ideas. Down to the gallows they go, and any of you who agree with them.

As a socialist, I guess it's to the gallows with me. As long as it can wait until after October.

Jigsaw wrote:As a socialist, I guess it's to the gallows with me. As long as it can wait until after October.

Zee iron maiden can wait until Nov. 1st for you.

showa58taro wrote: If you see “Trump to eliminate subsidy payments for poor people” and don’t go “what a cunt” then you are de facto going “yeah, fuck the poor” here, at least for me. It’s simpke. Either you want poor people to have healthcare or you want them to hurry up and die so they decrease the surplus population.

But black and white perhaps but Foo has as much nuance as a blank A4 page and the depth of a glass of water so why wouldn’t it work for the other side of the argument.

Basically, you just admitted to jumping to conclusions based on headlines from liberal rags, without taking time to learn about the "hows" and the "whys", but I am the shallow person...

And I want to see everyone do well. I will say this, however, it is incredibly fucked when we are subsidizing the so-called "poor" and it has the effect of deincentivizing work. Lots of people limiting their hours to stay in these social programs, because the benefits outweigh the income.

Foo wrote:

showa58taro wrote: If you see “Trump to eliminate subsidy payments for poor people” and don’t go “what a cunt” then you are de facto going “yeah, fuck the poor” here, at least for me. It’s simpke. Either you want poor people to have healthcare or you want them to hurry up and die so they decrease the surplus population.

But black and white perhaps but Foo has as much nuance as a blank A4 page and the depth of a glass of water so why wouldn’t it work for the other side of the argument.

Basically, you just admitted to jumping to conclusions based on headlines from liberal rags, without taking time to learn about the "hows" and the "whys", but I am the shallow person...

I know lots about how’s and whys. I deliberately chose to play it Foo-style.

showa58taro wrote:

Foo wrote:

showa58taro wrote: If you see “Trump to eliminate subsidy payments for poor people” and don’t go “what a cunt” then you are de facto going “yeah, fuck the poor” here, at least for me. It’s simpke. Either you want poor people to have healthcare or you want them to hurry up and die so they decrease the surplus population.

But black and white perhaps but Foo has as much nuance as a blank A4 page and the depth of a glass of water so why wouldn’t it work for the other side of the argument.

Basically, you just admitted to jumping to conclusions based on headlines from liberal rags, without taking time to learn about the "hows" and the "whys", but I am the shallow person...

I know lots about how’s and whys. I deliberately chose to play it Foo-style.

So I would like you to speculate on three numbers:

- what you would be paying for insurance in your current situation before Obamacare
- what you would be paying under Obamacare
- what you would be paying under Trump's plan