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showa58taro wrote:

Headhunter wrote:

showa58taro wrote:US Prisons don't seem like the place you'd send someone to get off drugs. Just a good way to get them more connections to it when they finally get out.

One thing that happens all the time: people are forced to take plea deals for crimes they didn't commit and they end up entering the criminal world behind bars. When they're released, they're addicted to drugs, mixed with bad people and not socially fit to re-enter society. It is horrible.

Presumably this adds to the recidivism rates in the US? Sounds like a terrible system.

Recidivism = shitty people continuing to do shitty things, and should not have been let out to terrorize the innocent

Foo wrote:

showa58taro wrote:

Headhunter wrote:

showa58taro wrote:US Prisons don't seem like the place you'd send someone to get off drugs. Just a good way to get them more connections to it when they finally get out.

One thing that happens all the time: people are forced to take plea deals for crimes they didn't commit and they end up entering the criminal world behind bars. When they're released, they're addicted to drugs, mixed with bad people and not socially fit to re-enter society. It is horrible.

Presumably this adds to the recidivism rates in the US? Sounds like a terrible system.

Recidivism = shitty people continuing to do shitty things, and should not have been let out to terrorize the innocent

True. But it seems like the system is designed to punish rather than rehabilitate shitty people. So people who weren't as shitty come out shittier. Shitty people come out and just stay shitty. Is your solution to lock everyone up for life since there's no point in coming out and committing more crimes?

showa58taro wrote:

Foo wrote:

showa58taro wrote:

Headhunter wrote:

showa58taro wrote:US Prisons don't seem like the place you'd send someone to get off drugs. Just a good way to get them more connections to it when they finally get out.

One thing that happens all the time: people are forced to take plea deals for crimes they didn't commit and they end up entering the criminal world behind bars. When they're released, they're addicted to drugs, mixed with bad people and not socially fit to re-enter society. It is horrible.

Presumably this adds to the recidivism rates in the US? Sounds like a terrible system.

Recidivism = shitty people continuing to do shitty things, and should not have been let out to terrorize the innocent

True. But it seems like the system is designed to punish rather than rehabilitate shitty people. So people who weren't as shitty come out shittier. Shitty people come out and just stay shitty. Is your solution to lock everyone up for life since there's no point in coming out and committing more crimes?

It is not elementary school and it is not summer camp. Prison needs to be a deterrent. If they cannot return to civilized society, put them back in.

Foo wrote:

showa58taro wrote:

Foo wrote:

showa58taro wrote:

Headhunter wrote:

showa58taro wrote:US Prisons don't seem like the place you'd send someone to get off drugs. Just a good way to get them more connections to it when they finally get out.

One thing that happens all the time: people are forced to take plea deals for crimes they didn't commit and they end up entering the criminal world behind bars. When they're released, they're addicted to drugs, mixed with bad people and not socially fit to re-enter society. It is horrible.

Presumably this adds to the recidivism rates in the US? Sounds like a terrible system.

Recidivism = shitty people continuing to do shitty things, and should not have been let out to terrorize the innocent

True. But it seems like the system is designed to punish rather than rehabilitate shitty people. So people who weren't as shitty come out shittier. Shitty people come out and just stay shitty. Is your solution to lock everyone up for life since there's no point in coming out and committing more crimes?

It is not elementary school and it is not summer camp. Prison needs to be a deterrent. If they cannot return to civilized society, put them back in.

so then the system would need to focus on rehabilitation? at least for those that are not repeat offenders of violent crimes. they may be beyond helping.

zombie wrote:

Foo wrote:

showa58taro wrote:

Foo wrote:

showa58taro wrote:

Headhunter wrote:

showa58taro wrote:US Prisons don't seem like the place you'd send someone to get off drugs. Just a good way to get them more connections to it when they finally get out.

One thing that happens all the time: people are forced to take plea deals for crimes they didn't commit and they end up entering the criminal world behind bars. When they're released, they're addicted to drugs, mixed with bad people and not socially fit to re-enter society. It is horrible.

Presumably this adds to the recidivism rates in the US? Sounds like a terrible system.

Recidivism = shitty people continuing to do shitty things, and should not have been let out to terrorize the innocent

True. But it seems like the system is designed to punish rather than rehabilitate shitty people. So people who weren't as shitty come out shittier. Shitty people come out and just stay shitty. Is your solution to lock everyone up for life since there's no point in coming out and committing more crimes?

It is not elementary school and it is not summer camp. Prison needs to be a deterrent. If they cannot return to civilized society, put them back in.

so then the system would need to focus on rehabilitation? at least for those that are not repeat offenders of violent crimes. they may be beyond helping.

Jail is a punishment. If the individual presents an alternative that they pay for, I would listen. It is on them, not me.

Foo wrote: Jail is a punishment. If the individual presents an alternative that they pay for, I would listen. It is on them, not me.

okay, i just got the impression that you wanted them to be able to return to civilized society. if the intention is to house them forever, or to execute them, then fair enough.

Our prison system is beyond archaic. Pretty clear that's not how you deter people from crime effectively. It's punishment for the sake of punishment, that the ideology has been a complete failure doesn't matter to people. It's really bad.

Headhunter wrote:Our prison system is beyond archaic. Pretty clear that's not how you deter people from crime effectively. It's punishment for the sake of punishment, that the ideology has been a complete failure doesn't matter to people. It's really bad.

Liberals told me we can paint the inside of prisons pink, have classes, and allow them to wear fashionable clothing and everything was gonna be alright.

Foo wrote:

Headhunter wrote:Our prison system is beyond archaic. Pretty clear that's not how you deter people from crime effectively. It's punishment for the sake of punishment, that the ideology has been a complete failure doesn't matter to people. It's really bad.

Liberals told me we. Like paint the inside of prisons pink, have classes, and allow them to wear fashionable clothing and everything was gonna be alright.

Sure, better than letting men rape other men.

I don't know about you guys, but I avoid prisons because they are bad places. Keeps me from murdering people.

Headhunter wrote:

Foo wrote:

Headhunter wrote:Our prison system is beyond archaic. Pretty clear that's not how you deter people from crime effectively. It's punishment for the sake of punishment, that the ideology has been a complete failure doesn't matter to people. It's really bad.

Liberals told me we. Like paint the inside of prisons pink, have classes, and allow them to wear fashionable clothing and everything was gonna be alright.

Sure, better than letting men rape other men.

Rapists gonna rape. Better inside than outside.

Foo wrote:

showa58taro wrote:

Foo wrote:

showa58taro wrote:

Headhunter wrote:

showa58taro wrote:US Prisons don't seem like the place you'd send someone to get off drugs. Just a good way to get them more connections to it when they finally get out.

One thing that happens all the time: people are forced to take plea deals for crimes they didn't commit and they end up entering the criminal world behind bars. When they're released, they're addicted to drugs, mixed with bad people and not socially fit to re-enter society. It is horrible.

Presumably this adds to the recidivism rates in the US? Sounds like a terrible system.

Recidivism = shitty people continuing to do shitty things, and should not have been let out to terrorize the innocent

True. But it seems like the system is designed to punish rather than rehabilitate shitty people. So people who weren't as shitty come out shittier. Shitty people come out and just stay shitty. Is your solution to lock everyone up for life since there's no point in coming out and committing more crimes?

It is not elementary school and it is not summer camp. Prison needs to be a deterrent. If they cannot return to civilized society, put them back in.

How much are you willing to pay for all this? Because this sounds like it's going to get expensive.

Foo wrote:I don't know about you guys, but I avoid prisons because they are bad places. Keeps me from murdering people.

Then you're a sack of shit.

I avoid murder because it is ethically wrong to murder. I also avoid stealing, even small things, and will pay my fair share of anything I can. Because it is the right thing to do. Not because there's a chance of me going to jail.

showa58taro wrote:

Foo wrote:

showa58taro wrote:

Foo wrote:

showa58taro wrote:

Headhunter wrote:

showa58taro wrote:US Prisons don't seem like the place you'd send someone to get off drugs. Just a good way to get them more connections to it when they finally get out.

One thing that happens all the time: people are forced to take plea deals for crimes they didn't commit and they end up entering the criminal world behind bars. When they're released, they're addicted to drugs, mixed with bad people and not socially fit to re-enter society. It is horrible.

Presumably this adds to the recidivism rates in the US? Sounds like a terrible system.

Recidivism = shitty people continuing to do shitty things, and should not have been let out to terrorize the innocent

True. But it seems like the system is designed to punish rather than rehabilitate shitty people. So people who weren't as shitty come out shittier. Shitty people come out and just stay shitty. Is your solution to lock everyone up for life since there's no point in coming out and committing more crimes?

It is not elementary school and it is not summer camp. Prison needs to be a deterrent. If they cannot return to civilized society, put them back in.

How much are you willing to pay for all this? Because this sounds like it's going to get expensive.

Would be a lot cheaper to just cap the murderers than all this legal bullshit that drains millions.

showa58taro wrote:

Foo wrote:I don't know about you guys, but I avoid prisons because they are bad places. Keeps me from murdering people.

Then you're a sack of shit.

I avoid murder because it is ethically wrong to murder. I also avoid stealing, even small things, and will pay my fair share of anything I can. Because it is the right thing to do. Not because there's a chance of me going to jail.

And when someone doesn't have the moral fiber that you do? That they don't care who they hurt?

showa58taro wrote:

Foo wrote:I don't know about you guys, but I avoid prisons because they are bad places. Keeps me from murdering people.

Then you're a sack of shit.

I avoid murder because it is ethically wrong to murder. I also avoid stealing, even small things, and will pay my fair share of anything I can. Because it is the right thing to do. Not because there's a chance of me going to jail.

Earlier today I saw someone throwing a cigarette on the ground. If not for jail I would have swept the leg and jammed his face into it.

So yeah, laws work. You might be a better person, but not everyone is you.

Reign in Blood wrote:

showa58taro wrote:

Foo wrote:I don't know about you guys, but I avoid prisons because they are bad places. Keeps me from murdering people.

Then you're a sack of shit.

I avoid murder because it is ethically wrong to murder. I also avoid stealing, even small things, and will pay my fair share of anything I can. Because it is the right thing to do. Not because there's a chance of me going to jail.

And when someone doesn't have the moral fiber that you do? That they don't care who they hurt?

They're Foo.

It's a fair point. I would have to default to Liberalism 101 and insist we tax Foo more so we can run a study into why they haven't got my moral constitution and ethical countenance. Shouldn't cost that many million to get to the bottom of it. After which we tax Foo a bit more to administer hugs and friendship bracelets to criminals.

showa58taro wrote:

Reign in Blood wrote:

showa58taro wrote:

Foo wrote:I don't know about you guys, but I avoid prisons because they are bad places. Keeps me from murdering people.

Then you're a sack of shit.

I avoid murder because it is ethically wrong to murder. I also avoid stealing, even small things, and will pay my fair share of anything I can. Because it is the right thing to do. Not because there's a chance of me going to jail.

And when someone doesn't have the moral fiber that you do? That they don't care who they hurt?

They're Foo.

It's a fair point. I would have to default to Liberalism 101 and insist we tax Foo more so we can run a study into why they haven't got my moral constitution and ethical countenance. Shouldn't cost that many million to get to the bottom of it. After which we tax Foo a bit more to administer hugs and friendship bracelets to criminals.

lol, I think you are onto something, my friend. By taxing Foo and Foo alone we can rid ourselves of this criminal riff raff, as he will fucking snap and kill them all. At least gotta do an episode of Punk'd, see his genuine reaction when he goes to file his taxes and sees they are taking 90% of his income for friendship bracelets for criminals.

We should just make criminals listen to Nickleback 24/7 for the whole time they are sentenced. That would work imo