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Re: NFL 2017 season

Posted: Sun Oct 01, 2017 6:40 pm
by Reign in Blood
Beep beep, get the CAMry CARR out the way because your Luck just run out. KIller Broncs 2017.

Re: NFL 2017 season

Posted: Sun Oct 01, 2017 6:47 pm
by Headhunter
Should have destroyed them. Win is a win but I have more concerns after that win than I did after the Bills loss.

Re: NFL 2017 season

Posted: Sun Oct 01, 2017 7:21 pm
by Jason
Ain't no lie, baby bye bye bye. BYE WEEK.

Re: NFL 2017 season

Posted: Sun Oct 01, 2017 10:11 pm
by Foo
Jason wrote:Oh, my God. This is the Champ Bailey highlight I've been PRAYING to see for YEARS. So many memories. ImageImageImageImageImage

This dude is the greatest cornerback that I have ever seen.




I forgot he played with Darrell Green.

Re: NFL 2017 season

Posted: Sun Oct 01, 2017 10:11 pm
by Headhunter
And Deion.

Re: NFL 2017 season

Posted: Sun Oct 01, 2017 10:13 pm
by Jason
Yeah. They were all on the same team in 2000 I think it was. I was reminded of that when I watched the video. Totally forgot.
Champ, Deion and Darrell. Jesus Christ.

Re: NFL 2017 season

Posted: Sun Oct 01, 2017 10:16 pm
by Headhunter
It was awesome seeing Champ mentor Chris Harris at the end of his career the way Deion and Darrell mentored him.

Btw, if people had actually recognized Harris' greatness before 2014 he'd be mentioned as a potential HOF guy. Best slot corner I've ever seen and no position in the game is harder physically. He's a better Antoine Winfield.

Re: NFL 2017 season

Posted: Sun Oct 01, 2017 10:18 pm
by Jason
Champ touched on that when he visited the Broncos facility recently.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q-7DXBM0aY8


Re: NFL 2017 season

Posted: Sun Oct 01, 2017 10:26 pm
by Headhunter
I remember reading that Harris pretty much followed Champ everywhere he went during OTAs and camp as a rookie. Attached at the hip the entire time. Like Champ, he plays with perfect technique.

Any time one of these undrafted guys even makes a team let alone becomes an integral piece, it's commendable. No investment means their margin for error is zero. They have to treat every single practice like a game and really can't afford to make any mistakes unlike their draft pick counterparts who are owed guaranteed money and have roster spots secure no matter what they do.

Re: NFL 2017 season

Posted: Sun Oct 01, 2017 10:27 pm
by Jason
Did you see Champ's Colorado Sports Hall of Fame Speech? I'm pretty sure he mentioned Harris being attached to his hip.


Re: NFL 2017 season

Posted: Sun Oct 01, 2017 10:30 pm
by Jason
Do you remember your thoughts on the Portis-Bailey trade as it happened?

Re: NFL 2017 season

Posted: Sun Oct 01, 2017 10:32 pm
by Headhunter
I haven't but I'll check it out now. Thanks for sharing.

It's kind of funny that they could never find a #2 to pair with Champ for years. And now they have three studs.

Re: NFL 2017 season

Posted: Sun Oct 01, 2017 10:35 pm
by Foo
Headhunter wrote:It was awesome seeing Champ mentor Chris Harris at the end of his career the way Deion and Darrell mentored him.

Btw, if people had actually recognized Harris' greatness before 2014 he'd be mentioned as a potential HOF guy. Best slot corner I've ever seen and no position in the game is harder physically. He's a better Antoine Winfield.
NFL HOF is a horrible joke. Many, many amazing players who get overlooked because they lack stats. If he did not play for a team that went to a couple SB's, he would probably still be virtually unknown.

So many great defensive players especially who did not get the sack and INT numbers for one reason or another get forgotten.

Re: NFL 2017 season

Posted: Sun Oct 01, 2017 10:38 pm
by Headhunter
Jason wrote:Do you remember your thoughts on the Portis-Bailey trade as it happened?
Initially I was pissed off. Portis was such a joy to watch, I thought he was about to break 2k for us. And it just felt right drafting him the same year TD retired. So I was a little gutted just as a fan. Then I saw Champ completely erase Tony Gonzalez from a game.

Re: NFL 2017 season

Posted: Sun Oct 01, 2017 10:39 pm
by Foo
Jason wrote:Do you remember your thoughts on the Portis-Bailey trade as it happened?
I do.

I thought Champ as a top young corner was clearly the guy in that trade, especially with the Broncos having the reputation of making running backs better. I think the only X factor for me was how much you were going to have to pay Champ, as his contract was looming pretty big. At that time, I worried a lot about a CB consuming so much of your payroll.

Re: NFL 2017 season

Posted: Sun Oct 01, 2017 10:41 pm
by Headhunter
Foo wrote:
Headhunter wrote:It was awesome seeing Champ mentor Chris Harris at the end of his career the way Deion and Darrell mentored him.

Btw, if people had actually recognized Harris' greatness before 2014 he'd be mentioned as a potential HOF guy. Best slot corner I've ever seen and no position in the game is harder physically. He's a better Antoine Winfield.
NFL HOF is a horrible joke. Many, many amazing players who get overlooked because they lack stats. If he did not play for a team that went to a couple SB's, he would probably still be virtually unknown.

So many great defensive players especially who did not get the sack and INT numbers for one reason or another get forgotten.
Also, draft position/college hype is a big factor. It gives you a pretty big head start for media recognition. Everyone is always a year or two late on the surprises.

Re: NFL 2017 season

Posted: Sun Oct 01, 2017 10:44 pm
by Headhunter
Foo wrote:
Jason wrote:Do you remember your thoughts on the Portis-Bailey trade as it happened?
I do.

I thought Champ as a top young corner was clearly the guy in that trade, especially with the Broncos having the reputation of making running backs better. I think the only X factor for me was how much you were going to have to pay Champ, as his contract was looming pretty big. At that time, I worried a lot about a CB consuming so much of your payroll.
It was a monster deal. Would be 20 million a year in today's cap. The market today is capped at 15.

We talked about this before but it was that rare second contract that neither the player nor team ever tried to mess with. Seven years on that deal, no disputes of any kind. Amazing.

Re: NFL 2017 season

Posted: Sun Oct 01, 2017 10:49 pm
by Jason
I was in my mid-teens during the Portis-Bailey trade. I only vaguely remember being kind of numb to it and not knowing how the hell to react. Portis was clearly the guy and we sent him packing after his two best years. I was just kind of like "WOW... Ok..."

Great trade. Totally fun trade, and as the years went on, it became clear that Denver was the big winner in it.

Re: NFL 2017 season

Posted: Sun Oct 01, 2017 10:53 pm
by Headhunter
Jason wrote:I was in my mid-teens during the Portis-Bailey trade. I only vaguely remember being kind of numb to it and not knowing how the hell to react. Portis was clearly the guy and we sent him packing after his two best years. I was just kind of like "WOW... Ok..."

Great trade. Totally fun trade, and as the years went on, it became clear that Denver was the big winner in it.
I don't think a trade like that happens in today's NFL. Second round pick and the best corner in the game for a running back just seems insane now.

Re: NFL 2017 season

Posted: Sun Oct 01, 2017 10:56 pm
by Jason
It would be like Harris and 2nd rounder for Le'Veon Bell.