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It’s good to see more people speaking out against abuse. Hopefully it’ll make things generally better.

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This is one that I am believing Takei until I hear more evidence. Rose McGowan has actual evidence. If this actually happened, then that dude wouldn't be all like "all I want is an apology and it hurts my feelings!".

Foo, let's say you were raped in the butt by some hippie liberal. You wouldn't just want that guy to apologise and be done with it. I know I wouldn't be as nice. I'd want to get revenge.

showa58taro wrote:It’s good to see more people speaking out against abuse. Hopefully it’ll make things generally better.

Gonna be worse for women in the end. While they certainly were treated as objects before, expect less opportunity now. Why risk even meeting with someone who is gonna fling accusations on social media when they lose or do not get a job?

Jmac Attack wrote:

Jason wrote:On one hand it's like. "FINALLY liberal Hollywood is getting exposed" and on the other hand it's like "why all at once?!"

This liberal hates liberal Hollywood. And it does suck that dudes I have always loved like Charlie Sheen could be guilty. I don't know if I could watch Lucas again. Sheen's character stood up for Lucas, and to find out he might have butt fucked Corey Haim, really fucked me up.

If these accusations are true, then fuck you Charlie Sheen. Go root for the fucking Yankees. We Reds fans don't need you. We have David Letterman!

Yeah, Dave Letterman only assaulted a hundred chicks...

Foo wrote:

showa58taro wrote:It’s good to see more people speaking out against abuse. Hopefully it’ll make things generally better.

Gonna be worse for women in the end. While they certainly were treated as objects before, expect less opportunity now. Why risk even meeting with someone who is gonna fling accusations on social media when they lose or do not get a job?

In what universe do you live? It’s a freaky place.

showa58taro wrote:

Foo wrote:

showa58taro wrote:It’s good to see more people speaking out against abuse. Hopefully it’ll make things generally better.

Gonna be worse for women in the end. While they certainly were treated as objects before, expect less opportunity now. Why risk even meeting with someone who is gonna fling accusations on social media when they lose or do not get a job?

In what universe do you live? It’s a freaky place.

Not what universe I think what century would be a better question

Tiggnutz wrote:

showa58taro wrote:

Foo wrote:

showa58taro wrote:It’s good to see more people speaking out against abuse. Hopefully it’ll make things generally better.

Gonna be worse for women in the end. While they certainly were treated as objects before, expect less opportunity now. Why risk even meeting with someone who is gonna fling accusations on social media when they lose or do not get a job?

In what universe do you live? It’s a freaky place.

Not what universe I think what century would be a better question

Or that.

Maybe it’s just me but I think that you can hire women without fearing that sort of thing in just about every part of life.

showa58taro wrote:

Tiggnutz wrote:

showa58taro wrote:

Foo wrote:

showa58taro wrote:It’s good to see more people speaking out against abuse. Hopefully it’ll make things generally better.

Gonna be worse for women in the end. While they certainly were treated as objects before, expect less opportunity now. Why risk even meeting with someone who is gonna fling accusations on social media when they lose or do not get a job?

In what universe do you live? It’s a freaky place.

Not what universe I think what century would be a better question

Or that.

Maybe it’s just me but I think that you can hire women without fearing that sort of thing in just about every part of life.

Agreed it's similar to the "she wore a skirt so it's her fault" kinda thinking.

Foo wrote:

Jmac Attack wrote:

Jason wrote:On one hand it's like. "FINALLY liberal Hollywood is getting exposed" and on the other hand it's like "why all at once?!"

This liberal hates liberal Hollywood. And it does suck that dudes I have always loved like Charlie Sheen could be guilty. I don't know if I could watch Lucas again. Sheen's character stood up for Lucas, and to find out he might have butt fucked Corey Haim, really fucked me up.

If these accusations are true, then fuck you Charlie Sheen. Go root for the fucking Yankees. We Reds fans don't need you. We have David Letterman!

Yeah, Dave Letterman only assaulted a hundred chicks...

Assaulted? I thought he just fucked a bunch of chicks while married? If you are right, then fuck him too. It still isn't as bad as fucking a 13 year old boy in the pooper.

Jmac Attack wrote:

Foo wrote:

Jmac Attack wrote:

Jason wrote:On one hand it's like. "FINALLY liberal Hollywood is getting exposed" and on the other hand it's like "why all at once?!"

This liberal hates liberal Hollywood. And it does suck that dudes I have always loved like Charlie Sheen could be guilty. I don't know if I could watch Lucas again. Sheen's character stood up for Lucas, and to find out he might have butt fucked Corey Haim, really fucked me up.

If these accusations are true, then fuck you Charlie Sheen. Go root for the fucking Yankees. We Reds fans don't need you. We have David Letterman!

Yeah, Dave Letterman only assaulted a hundred chicks...

Assaulted? I thought he just fucked a bunch of chicks while married? If you are right, then fuck him too. It still isn't as bad as fucking a 13 year old boy in the pooper.

He created an atmosphere of hostility and intimidation towards women. Those on his staff were always lower level and it was like a shooting gallery for Letterman and his writing team. Sleeping around was the way to advancement. He also used his public platform to silence and intimidate when they came forward.

showa58taro wrote:

Foo wrote:

showa58taro wrote:It’s good to see more people speaking out against abuse. Hopefully it’ll make things generally better.

Gonna be worse for women in the end. While they certainly were treated as objects before, expect less opportunity now. Why risk even meeting with someone who is gonna fling accusations on social media when they lose or do not get a job?

In what universe do you live? It’s a freaky place.

I guess i live in the real universe. One where people in real positions of power are making decisions that are likely to have fewer consequences. Right this minute, do you not think there are people doing hiring who immediately exclude women with names like "Mercedes", "Lexus", "Shaniqua", and "LaShonda", because they would rather not give them the opportunity than deal with the bullshit that would come about if they had to fire them later? Or have to deal with social media calling them names because it was simply a poor fit?

It happens. It is the flip side that people are afraid to discuss.

Foo wrote:

Jmac Attack wrote:

Foo wrote:

Jmac Attack wrote:

Jason wrote:On one hand it's like. "FINALLY liberal Hollywood is getting exposed" and on the other hand it's like "why all at once?!"

This liberal hates liberal Hollywood. And it does suck that dudes I have always loved like Charlie Sheen could be guilty. I don't know if I could watch Lucas again. Sheen's character stood up for Lucas, and to find out he might have butt fucked Corey Haim, really fucked me up.

If these accusations are true, then fuck you Charlie Sheen. Go root for the fucking Yankees. We Reds fans don't need you. We have David Letterman!

Yeah, Dave Letterman only assaulted a hundred chicks...

Assaulted? I thought he just fucked a bunch of chicks while married? If you are right, then fuck him too. It still isn't as bad as fucking a 13 year old boy in the pooper.

He created an atmosphere of hostility and intimidation towards women. Those on his staff were always lower level and it was like a shooting gallery for Letterman and his writing team. Sleeping around was the way to advancement. He also used his public platform to silence and intimidate when they came forward.

I believe ya. Reality sucks.

The Reds still has Nick Lache!!!!

I think there is a new discussion to be had about streaming services and similar. Specifically when we are seeing the works of people removed from them for allegations and behavior in general. For instance, you pay for hbo, and hbo decides to remove archived programming because of certain performers.

Is this type of thing going to be generally accepted? Ok to remove se7en and American Beauty from Netflix?

I'd be shocked if Netflix had either of those movies on their list, anyway.

I know they had American Beauty up because it was on my watchlist a little while back. Not sure if it's still there.

Foo wrote:

showa58taro wrote:

Foo wrote:

showa58taro wrote:It’s good to see more people speaking out against abuse. Hopefully it’ll make things generally better.

Gonna be worse for women in the end. While they certainly were treated as objects before, expect less opportunity now. Why risk even meeting with someone who is gonna fling accusations on social media when they lose or do not get a job?

In what universe do you live? It’s a freaky place.

I guess i live in the real universe. One where people in real positions of power are making decisions that are likely to have fewer consequences. Right this minute, do you not think there are people doing hiring who immediately exclude women with names like "Mercedes", "Lexus", "Shaniqua", and "LaShonda", because they would rather not give them the opportunity than deal with the bullshit that would come about if they had to fire them later? Or have to deal with social media calling them names because it was simply a poor fit?

It happens. It is the flip side that people are afraid to discuss.

But there are literal laws against this sort of thing, and there’s a lot more focus on diversity and equality in most of the Western world. These kind of made up horror scenarios are not the norm and they can’t be. Because it would be instantly obvious to HR and leadership teams across the board who discuss such things.

I’m not saying it can’t happen, but it isn’t the norm and even in the instances you’re discussing the problem isn’t that women and men are increasingly able to speak out against rape and sexual assault. It’s that employers are being dickheads. We shouldn’t normalize assault ship that employers will gamble on more women being employable. That’s sick and twisted.

Jason wrote:I'd be shocked if Netflix had either of those movies on their list, anyway.

HBO removed Louis CK's stand up from their archives on demand.

showa58taro wrote:

Foo wrote:

showa58taro wrote:

Foo wrote:

showa58taro wrote:It’s good to see more people speaking out against abuse. Hopefully it’ll make things generally better.

Gonna be worse for women in the end. While they certainly were treated as objects before, expect less opportunity now. Why risk even meeting with someone who is gonna fling accusations on social media when they lose or do not get a job?

In what universe do you live? It’s a freaky place.

I guess i live in the real universe. One where people in real positions of power are making decisions that are likely to have fewer consequences. Right this minute, do you not think there are people doing hiring who immediately exclude women with names like "Mercedes", "Lexus", "Shaniqua", and "LaShonda", because they would rather not give them the opportunity than deal with the bullshit that would come about if they had to fire them later? Or have to deal with social media calling them names because it was simply a poor fit?

It happens. It is the flip side that people are afraid to discuss.

But there are literal laws against this sort of thing, and there’s a lot more focus on diversity and equality in most of the Western world. These kind of made up horror scenarios are not the norm and they can’t be. Because it would be instantly obvious to HR and leadership teams across the board who discuss such things.

I’m not saying it can’t happen, but it isn’t the norm and even in the instances you’re discussing the problem isn’t that women and men are increasingly able to speak out against rape and sexual assault. It’s that employers are being dickheads. We shouldn’t normalize assault ship that employers will gamble on more women being employable. That’s sick and twisted.

Laws! Literal laws! Like the laws that say don't cornhole kids, sexually assault people, etc.? Clearly that works...

Why do you think employers look at social media? They want to see if you are going to be a problem. Would you rather just keep looking or deal with someone who has a history of public discord?

Foo wrote:

showa58taro wrote:

Foo wrote:

showa58taro wrote:

Foo wrote:

showa58taro wrote:It’s good to see more people speaking out against abuse. Hopefully it’ll make things generally better.

Gonna be worse for women in the end. While they certainly were treated as objects before, expect less opportunity now. Why risk even meeting with someone who is gonna fling accusations on social media when they lose or do not get a job?

In what universe do you live? It’s a freaky place.

I guess i live in the real universe. One where people in real positions of power are making decisions that are likely to have fewer consequences. Right this minute, do you not think there are people doing hiring who immediately exclude women with names like "Mercedes", "Lexus", "Shaniqua", and "LaShonda", because they would rather not give them the opportunity than deal with the bullshit that would come about if they had to fire them later? Or have to deal with social media calling them names because it was simply a poor fit?

It happens. It is the flip side that people are afraid to discuss.

But there are literal laws against this sort of thing, and there’s a lot more focus on diversity and equality in most of the Western world. These kind of made up horror scenarios are not the norm and they can’t be. Because it would be instantly obvious to HR and leadership teams across the board who discuss such things.

I’m not saying it can’t happen, but it isn’t the norm and even in the instances you’re discussing the problem isn’t that women and men are increasingly able to speak out against rape and sexual assault. It’s that employers are being dickheads. We shouldn’t normalize assault ship that employers will gamble on more women being employable. That’s sick and twisted.

Laws! Literal laws! Like the laws that say don't cornhole kids, sexually assault people, etc.? Clearly that works...

Why do you think employers look at social media? They want to see if you are going to be a problem. Would you rather just keep looking or deal with someone who has a history of public discord?

Looking on social media to see if you're a problem is not the same as refusing to hire any women. This really isn't that complicated.