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zombie wrote:

Jason wrote:

showa58taro wrote:

Jason wrote:"The hydroxychloroquine opens up a zinc channel, zinc goes into the cell, it then blocks the replication of the cellular machinery. Every patient I've prescribed it to has been very, very I'll. Within 8-12 hours, they were basically symptom free"

- Anthony Cardillo, ER Specialist & CEO, MEND Urgent Care




That's a pretty promising endorsement of this medication from a certified medical professional with a 100% success rate on all of his patients to combat coronavirus.

No it’s not. It’s a terrible thing to have out there. The fantastic test Trump refers to which is where this originated had 0% die in the non-treatment group whereas one died, 3 had more severe reactions and one left the study due to side effects. Those 5 (15% of the study population) are excluded from the study. This needs actual randomized double blind testing and results validated and confirmed. As is, these bullshit anecdotes will get people panicked, hospitalized or killed.

Remember when I would joke around and say Trump could cure cancer and people would find a way to dismiss it? Trump opening the eyes of the medical world to hydroxychloroquine fighting off the coronavirus is probably the closest thing we're gonna get to that. Medical doctors are swearing by hydroxychloroquine in correlation with a zinc supplement, and people are shitting on it because Orange Man Bad said it first.

These are dangerous times, indeed. I would've instantly become an Obama fan if the roles were reversed. Being stubborn in this pandemic is an awful mindset right now.

be careful not to disrespect people politically, with dismissing their opinion and telling them what they think.

I've avoided the "you-get-what-you-give" attitude, but that only opens the floodgates of labeling me a racist or xenophobe. I am all for peace love and understanding. But if I don't keep my guard up, the conversations will go more sour than they already do.

Notice how everything I just stated was ignored, zomb? Lol. "He's killing people! I bet he owns hydroxychloroquine stock!" At least with my guarded approach to these discussions, I am less likely to be labeled a bigot and more likely to be ignored. I prefer option two.

Jason wrote: I've avoided the "you-get-what-you-give" attitude, but that only opens the floodgates of labeling me a racist or xenophobe. I am all for peace love and understanding. But if I don't keep my guard up, the conversations will go more sour than they already do.

well, "orange man bad" or "white guilt" or any such dismissal is only going to escalate things. and this isn't new. i just want you to see it for what it is. if you have a problem with others doing it to you, doing it to them isn't the way to make it stop. so just be aware that you've done the same things for a long time that you consider to be disrespect from others.

Jason wrote:Notice how everything I just stated was ignored, zomb? Lol. "He's killing people! I bet he owns hydroxychloroquine stock!" At least with my guarded approach to these discussions, I am less likely to be labeled a bigot and more likely to be ignored. I prefer option two.

it wasn't ignored. you just ignored where it wasn't ignored. and this doesn't look like being "guarded", to me.

zombie wrote:

Jason wrote: I've avoided the "you-get-what-you-give" attitude, but that only opens the floodgates of labeling me a racist or xenophobe. I am all for peace love and understanding. But if I don't keep my guard up, the conversations will go more sour than they already do.

well, "orange man bad" or "white guilt" or any such dismissal is only going to escalate things. and this isn't new. i just want you to see it for what it is. if you have a problem with others doing it to you, doing it to them isn't the way to make it stop. so just be aware that you've done the same things for a long time that you consider to be disrespect from others.

Correct. I acknowledged this in the next post. But this isn't about me. Hydroxychloroquine is getting incredibly promising endorsements from certified doctors who are battling this disease. If Trump never said anything about hydroxychloroquine and only the doctors were saying it, people would be ecstatic about it. But there is an undeniable pattern of stubbornness from people who will absolutely never agree with anything Trump says. They will go to the grave, ignoring sound medical advice simply because they heard Trump say it first. We need to stop being children.

Jason wrote:

zombie wrote:

Jason wrote: I've avoided the "you-get-what-you-give" attitude, but that only opens the floodgates of labeling me a racist or xenophobe. I am all for peace love and understanding. But if I don't keep my guard up, the conversations will go more sour than they already do.

well, "orange man bad" or "white guilt" or any such dismissal is only going to escalate things. and this isn't new. i just want you to see it for what it is. if you have a problem with others doing it to you, doing it to them isn't the way to make it stop. so just be aware that you've done the same things for a long time that you consider to be disrespect from others.

Correct. I acknowledged this in the next post. But this isn't about me. Hydroxychloroquine is getting incredibly promising endorsements from certified doctors who are battling this disease. If Trump never said anything about hydroxychloroquine and only the doctors were saying it, people would be ecstatic about it. But there is an undeniable pattern of stubbornness from people who will absolutely never agree with anything Trump says. They will go to the grave, ignoring sound medical advice simply because they heard Trump say it first. We need to stop being children.

if it as so promising, then it will get certification as a medication against the coronavirus and widespread use. yes, we would be more open to doctors recommending it because they are doctors!

zombie wrote:

Jason wrote:

zombie wrote:

Jason wrote: I've avoided the "you-get-what-you-give" attitude, but that only opens the floodgates of labeling me a racist or xenophobe. I am all for peace love and understanding. But if I don't keep my guard up, the conversations will go more sour than they already do.

well, "orange man bad" or "white guilt" or any such dismissal is only going to escalate things. and this isn't new. i just want you to see it for what it is. if you have a problem with others doing it to you, doing it to them isn't the way to make it stop. so just be aware that you've done the same things for a long time that you consider to be disrespect from others.

Correct. I acknowledged this in the next post. But this isn't about me. Hydroxychloroquine is getting incredibly promising endorsements from certified doctors who are battling this disease. If Trump never said anything about hydroxychloroquine and only the doctors were saying it, people would be ecstatic about it. But there is an undeniable pattern of stubbornness from people who will absolutely never agree with anything Trump says. They will go to the grave, ignoring sound medical advice simply because they heard Trump say it first. We need to stop being children.

if it as so promising, then it will get certification as a medication against the coronavirus and widespread use. yes, we would be more open to doctors recommending it because they are doctors!

It is certified as a medication against Covid, and we need more people like you, zomb! Very cool.

Jason wrote:

zombie wrote:

Jason wrote:

zombie wrote:

Jason wrote: I've avoided the "you-get-what-you-give" attitude, but that only opens the floodgates of labeling me a racist or xenophobe. I am all for peace love and understanding. But if I don't keep my guard up, the conversations will go more sour than they already do.

well, "orange man bad" or "white guilt" or any such dismissal is only going to escalate things. and this isn't new. i just want you to see it for what it is. if you have a problem with others doing it to you, doing it to them isn't the way to make it stop. so just be aware that you've done the same things for a long time that you consider to be disrespect from others.

Correct. I acknowledged this in the next post. But this isn't about me. Hydroxychloroquine is getting incredibly promising endorsements from certified doctors who are battling this disease. If Trump never said anything about hydroxychloroquine and only the doctors were saying it, people would be ecstatic about it. But there is an undeniable pattern of stubbornness from people who will absolutely never agree with anything Trump says. They will go to the grave, ignoring sound medical advice simply because they heard Trump say it first. We need to stop being children.

if it as so promising, then it will get certification as a medication against the coronavirus and widespread use. yes, we would be more open to doctors recommending it because they are doctors!

It is certified as a medication against Covid, and we need more people like you, zomb! Very cool.

i'm not that cool.

last i heard, it was not certified. can you give a source?

The FDA has not looked into it and labeled it a Covid treatment yet, if that's what you mean. Doctors everywhere are prescribing it with a zinc supplement and it is working wonders for everyone. This is why Head's friend said the pharmacy was out of it. And this is why doctors are saying the hydroxychloroquine needs to be reserved for the Covid sufferers who are very ill, because there is a risk of running low on the stuff.

But hydroxychloroquine is now a proven method to combating the virus, it just needs a zinc supplement to combine it with, which effectively stops the virus from replicating in the body.

Also, the WHO advised Trump in January not to close borders, because the virus is not contagious. It's a damn good thing he ignored those morons.

people are scared. the president gave a suggestion. and thus a run on the drug. that is why the shelves were empty, in head's anecdote. we'll have to see what comes with this, ultimately. but make no mistake, this is playing with fire, until we actually know that it works across the board.

if it does work, then the coronavirus is over and beaten, and we don't have to worry about anyone's cuisine choices.

zombie wrote:people are scared. the president gave a suggestion. and thus a run on the drug. that is why the shelves were empty, in head's anecdote. we'll have to see what comes with this, ultimately. but make no mistake, this is playing with fire, until we actually know that it works across the board.

if it does work, then the coronavirus is over and beaten, and we don't have to worry about anyone's cuisine choices.

Doctors have to prescribe the drug. You can't just get it without a doctor's endorsement. It is flying off the shelves because it's working. Now is the time to step back and only prescribe it to patients who are very ill so we can avoid blowing through our supplies. That's how effective it is.

Until a new strain mutates that has a 50% kill rate. China needs to stop eating road kill. The fact we're living under quarantine in the middle of a pandemic because of China and you're not bothered by them continuing the ritual that caused it is bizarre. THIS is playing with fire.

:mrgreen:

Jason wrote:Also, the WHO advised Trump in January not to close borders, because the virus is not contagious. It's a damn good thing he ignored those morons.

The CCP bought the WHO right after they bought the limp dick UN

Tiggnutz wrote::mrgreen:

Jason wrote:Also, the WHO advised Trump in January not to close borders, because the virus is not contagious. It's a damn good thing he ignored those morons.

The CCP bought the WHO right after they bought the limp dick UN

Yep. And I'm glad we have a president with a backbone who's calling them out on it. It is crazy to see how these scum operate.

Jason wrote:

zombie wrote:people are scared. the president gave a suggestion. and thus a run on the drug. that is why the shelves were empty, in head's anecdote. we'll have to see what comes with this, ultimately. but make no mistake, this is playing with fire, until we actually know that it works across the board.

if it does work, then the coronavirus is over and beaten, and we don't have to worry about anyone's cuisine choices.

Doctors have to prescribe the drug. You can't just get it without a doctor's endorsement. It is flying off the shelves because it's working. Now is the time to step back and only prescribe it to patients who are very ill so we can avoid blowing through our supplies. That's how effective it is.

Until a new strain mutates that has a 50% kill rate. China needs to stop eating road kill. The fact we're living under quarantine in the middle of a pandemic because of China and you're not bothered by them continuing the ritual that caused it is bizarre. THIS is playing with fire.

i'm not going on national tv suggesting anything, or hell, even on twitter. i'm not giving any kind of advice one way or the other on any remotely large scale. i am not playing with fire.

i just see the history. eating bats has been linked to other viruses. we've beaten them. if you're right, we're beating the coronavirus. china is not the only one to eat bats or "road kill" either. so if that is indeed the cause and we haven't beaten the virus or if there is solid evidence to suggest that covid will mutate, do something about it worldwide, including china.

Proven is not the word for this.

showa58taro wrote:Proven is not the word for this.

agreed. clinical tests are there for a reason. you need to take into account other things, beyond this random patient took it and looks to be on the mend.

zombie wrote:

Jason wrote:

zombie wrote:people are scared. the president gave a suggestion. and thus a run on the drug. that is why the shelves were empty, in head's anecdote. we'll have to see what comes with this, ultimately. but make no mistake, this is playing with fire, until we actually know that it works across the board.

if it does work, then the coronavirus is over and beaten, and we don't have to worry about anyone's cuisine choices.

Doctors have to prescribe the drug. You can't just get it without a doctor's endorsement. It is flying off the shelves because it's working. Now is the time to step back and only prescribe it to patients who are very ill so we can avoid blowing through our supplies. That's how effective it is.

Until a new strain mutates that has a 50% kill rate. China needs to stop eating road kill. The fact we're living under quarantine in the middle of a pandemic because of China and you're not bothered by them continuing the ritual that caused it is bizarre. THIS is playing with fire.

i'm not going on national tv suggesting anything, or hell, even on twitter. i'm not giving any kind of advice one way or the other on any remotely large scale. i am not playing with fire.

i just see the history. eating bats has been linked to other viruses. we've beaten them. if you're right, we're beating the coronavirus. china is not the only one to eat bats or "road kill" either. so if that is indeed the cause and we haven't beaten the virus or if there is solid evidence to suggest that covid will mutate, do something about it worldwide, including china.

You're also not surrounded by a team of medical professionals. You think Trump just thunk up hydroxychloroquine the other day and decided to advise the rest of the medical world to look into it? If he did, it would make him an irrefutably educated genius of an orange man.

All the viruses are linked to China. Specifically the wet markets. Specifically in Wigan. Spanish Flu, bird flu, Sars, ebola... All linked to China's wet markets.

zombie wrote:

showa58taro wrote:Proven is not the word for this.

agreed. clinical tests are there for a reason. you need to take into account other things, beyond this random patient took it and looks to be on the mend.

Not patient, *patients. If doctors are swearing by this, fully endorsing it, and now reserving the supply for the very ill because they don't want to blow through the entire medical supply of the drug, it is clearly working at a wonderfully promising rate.

Jason wrote:

zombie wrote:

Jason wrote:

zombie wrote:people are scared. the president gave a suggestion. and thus a run on the drug. that is why the shelves were empty, in head's anecdote. we'll have to see what comes with this, ultimately. but make no mistake, this is playing with fire, until we actually know that it works across the board.

if it does work, then the coronavirus is over and beaten, and we don't have to worry about anyone's cuisine choices.

Doctors have to prescribe the drug. You can't just get it without a doctor's endorsement. It is flying off the shelves because it's working. Now is the time to step back and only prescribe it to patients who are very ill so we can avoid blowing through our supplies. That's how effective it is.

Until a new strain mutates that has a 50% kill rate. China needs to stop eating road kill. The fact we're living under quarantine in the middle of a pandemic because of China and you're not bothered by them continuing the ritual that caused it is bizarre. THIS is playing with fire.

i'm not going on national tv suggesting anything, or hell, even on twitter. i'm not giving any kind of advice one way or the other on any remotely large scale. i am not playing with fire.

i just see the history. eating bats has been linked to other viruses. we've beaten them. if you're right, we're beating the coronavirus. china is not the only one to eat bats or "road kill" either. so if that is indeed the cause and we haven't beaten the virus or if there is solid evidence to suggest that covid will mutate, do something about it worldwide, including china.

You're also not surrounded by a team of medical professionals. You think Trump just thunk up hydroxychloroquine the other day and decided to advise the rest of the medical world to look into it? If he did, it would make him an irrefutably educated genius of an orange man.

All the viruses are linked to China. Specifically the wet markets. Specifically in Wigan. Spanish Flu, bird flu, Sars, ebola... All linked to China's wet markets.

he didn't just recommend it to doctors or the medical world. that would have been cool. i wouldn't have even heard about it, really. either. let's don't make this about the person that gave the advice. but the advice given.

i question the validity of your second statement.