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random patients. not patients in a controlled trial. if it works, awesome. it will be certified by the fda and used across the board. and the argument will be moot. but until we get there.....Jason wrote:Not patient, *patients. If doctors are swearing by this, fully endorsing it, and now reserving the supply for the very ill because they don't want to blow through the entire medical supply of the drug, it is clearly working at a wonderfully promising rate.zombie wrote:agreed. clinical tests are there for a reason. you need to take into account other things, beyond this random patient took it and looks to be on the mend.showa58taro wrote:Proven is not the word for this.
Again, the only people that can prescribe hydroxychloroquine are medical professionals. You can't just go out and buy it.zombie wrote:he didn't just recommend it to doctors or the medical world. that would have been cool. i wouldn't have even heard about it, really. either.Jason wrote:You're also not surrounded by a team of medical professionals. You think Trump just thunk up hydroxychloroquine the other day and decided to advise the rest of the medical world to look into it? If he did, it would make him an irrefutably educated genius of an orange man.zombie wrote:i'm not going on national tv suggesting anything, or hell, even on twitter. i'm not giving any kind of advice one way or the other on any remotely large scale. i am not playing with fire.Jason wrote:Doctors have to prescribe the drug. You can't just get it without a doctor's endorsement. It is flying off the shelves because it's working. Now is the time to step back and only prescribe it to patients who are very ill so we can avoid blowing through our supplies. That's how effective it is.zombie wrote:people are scared. the president gave a suggestion. and thus a run on the drug. that is why the shelves were empty, in head's anecdote. we'll have to see what comes with this, ultimately. but make no mistake, this is playing with fire, until we actually know that it works across the board.
if it does work, then the coronavirus is over and beaten, and we don't have to worry about anyone's cuisine choices.
Until a new strain mutates that has a 50% kill rate. China needs to stop eating road kill. The fact we're living under quarantine in the middle of a pandemic because of China and you're not bothered by them continuing the ritual that caused it is bizarre. THIS is playing with fire.
i just see the history. eating bats has been linked to other viruses. we've beaten them. if you're right, we're beating the coronavirus. china is not the only one to eat bats or "road kill" either. so if that is indeed the cause and we haven't beaten the virus or if there is solid evidence to suggest that covid will mutate, do something about it worldwide, including china.
All the viruses are linked to China. Specifically the wet markets. Specifically in Wigan. Spanish Flu, bird flu, Sars, ebola... All linked to China's wet markets.let's don't make this about the person that gave the advice. but the advice given.
i question the validity of your second statement.
and there is a history of people pressuring doctors into prescribing things, is there not?Jason wrote: Again, the only people that can prescribe hydroxychloroquine are medical professionals. You can't just go out and buy it.
Yup. Let the process play out and if it really is the miracle drug, the process will bear that out. Which wouldn’t make Trump’s current TV peddling any less irresponsible. Serious crisis of leadership in this country right now.zombie wrote:random patients. not patients in a controlled trial. if it works, awesome. it will be certified by the fda and used across the board. and the argument will be moot. but until we get there.....Jason wrote:Not patient, *patients. If doctors are swearing by this, fully endorsing it, and now reserving the supply for the very ill because they don't want to blow through the entire medical supply of the drug, it is clearly working at a wonderfully promising rate.zombie wrote:agreed. clinical tests are there for a reason. you need to take into account other things, beyond this random patient took it and looks to be on the mend.showa58taro wrote:Proven is not the word for this.
It's not impossible to get. Doctors all across the nation could prescribe it throughout the pandemic with a 100% success rate without the FDA ever getting off their asses.zombie wrote:random patients. not patients in a controlled trial. if it works, awesome. it will be certified by the fda and used across the board. and the argument will be moot. but until we get there.....Jason wrote:Not patient, *patients. If doctors are swearing by this, fully endorsing it, and now reserving the supply for the very ill because they don't want to blow through the entire medical supply of the drug, it is clearly working at a wonderfully promising rate.zombie wrote:agreed. clinical tests are there for a reason. you need to take into account other things, beyond this random patient took it and looks to be on the mend.showa58taro wrote:Proven is not the word for this.
Not just a theory. It's an "all signs point to" situation.Headhunter wrote:Yes, that’s one of the theories. That it’s just a theory is even reflected in the subheading...
Indeed. To suggest anything else is a moral failing.zombie wrote:agreed. clinical tests are there for a reason. you need to take into account other things, beyond this random patient took it and looks to be on the mend.showa58taro wrote:Proven is not the word for this.
Colour me surprised.Headhunter wrote:So I was kind of joking when I brought it up, but apparently he actually does own stock in the company that produces hydroxychloroquine. Lol.
So yeah. Always follow the money and always tune out the snake oil salesmen.
Thank goodness for the border wall Trump is making that you're all so against. And thank goodness he ignored the WHO in January when they advised him not to suspend travel because Covid is not contagious.Headhunter wrote:You can bitch about the Chinese until the cows come home, but it doesn’t matter. It’s here and it’s bad and everything that happens now that it’s here is the responsibility of the US government. The failure at the top cannot be ignored.
Color me apathetic!showa58taro wrote:Colour me surprised.Headhunter wrote:So I was kind of joking when I brought it up, but apparently he actually does own stock in the company that produces hydroxychloroquine. Lol.
So yeah. Always follow the money and always tune out the snake oil salesmen.
Why the a- prefix?Jason wrote:Color me apathetic!showa58taro wrote:Colour me surprised.Headhunter wrote:So I was kind of joking when I brought it up, but apparently he actually does own stock in the company that produces hydroxychloroquine. Lol.
So yeah. Always follow the money and always tune out the snake oil salesmen.