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I just now watched an interview where she said herself that she has zero ties to the Russian government.Headhunter wrote:I'm not deflecting, I answered that earlier in the thread. Yes.Jason wrote:You're deflecting. I asked you multiple times if the person worked for the Russian government or not.Headhunter wrote:Yes, the intent to obtain info of political value from a foreign government as part of a campaign is not legal.Jason wrote:The intent to listen to information that could be damaging to a political opponent?Headhunter wrote:The intent alone buries Trump Jr, and it's flat out admitted, no way to spin it. It doesn't matter if they walked out five minutes into the meeting.
Nobody was throwing shade at the democrats when they got hold of the "Grab him by the pussy" tape. Are they just as guilty, or is this just nowhere near as big of a deal as you're making it out to be.
I'm thinking the latter.
More deflection. Another false equivalence of hilariously epic prprorotions. Stop with the bad analogies and comparisons and just talk about the topic...
Wow! She must be telling the truth. The mob oligarchy that rules Russia would always be transparent, In no way is it politically advantageous for her to deny ties to the Russian government. Think.Jason wrote:I just now watched an interview where she said herself that she has zero ties to the Russian government.Headhunter wrote:I'm not deflecting, I answered that earlier in the thread. Yes.Jason wrote:You're deflecting. I asked you multiple times if the person worked for the Russian government or not.Headhunter wrote:Yes, the intent to obtain info of political value from a foreign government as part of a campaign is not legal.Jason wrote:The intent to listen to information that could be damaging to a political opponent?Headhunter wrote:The intent alone buries Trump Jr, and it's flat out admitted, no way to spin it. It doesn't matter if they walked out five minutes into the meeting.
Nobody was throwing shade at the democrats when they got hold of the "Grab him by the pussy" tape. Are they just as guilty, or is this just nowhere near as big of a deal as you're making it out to be.
I'm thinking the latter.
More deflection. Another false equivalence of hilariously epic prprorotions. Stop with the bad analogies and comparisons and just talk about the topic...
Oh MAH GAHHHDDD!!! Putin's gonna kill her!!!!!!11!!!!!1!!!1111!!!Headhunter wrote::ugeek:Wow! She must be telling the truth. The mob oligarchy that rules Russia would always be transparent, In no way is it politically advantageous for her to deny ties to the Russian government. Think.Jason wrote:I just now watched an interview where she said herself that she has zero ties to the Russian government.Headhunter wrote:I'm not deflecting, I answered that earlier in the thread. Yes.Jason wrote:You're deflecting. I asked you multiple times if the person worked for the Russian government or not.Headhunter wrote:Yes, the intent to obtain info of political value from a foreign government as part of a campaign is not legal.Jason wrote:The intent to listen to information that could be damaging to a political opponent?Headhunter wrote:The intent alone buries Trump Jr, and it's flat out admitted, no way to spin it. It doesn't matter if they walked out five minutes into the meeting.
Nobody was throwing shade at the democrats when they got hold of the "Grab him by the pussy" tape. Are they just as guilty, or is this just nowhere near as big of a deal as you're making it out to be.
I'm thinking the latter.
More deflection. Another false equivalence of hilariously epic prprorotions. Stop with the bad analogies and comparisons and just talk about the topic...
That is not illegal.Headhunter wrote:They attempted to extract opposition research from a foreign government, and if that's considered information of value that is illegal.Foo wrote:I know there is some sort of reality disconnect at play here, so let me shock you with a truth bolt:
Trump is an international business person. Presidential campaigns spend millions upon millions doing opposition research. Just how many times do you think advocates, contractors, and employees of Hillary Clinton reached out to foreign nationals and foreign governments to get information on his business dealings? Do you think they would be interested in corruption if approached with information?
"But Hillary...but Hillary...but Hillary.,,"
Political campaigns cannot solicit donations of value from foreign governments, if you've forgotten what the actual story is as you talk about things that don't matter at all.Foo wrote:You guys realize it would not even be illegal for Trump himself to pick up the phone and call Putin and talk about what a bitch Hilary is and how she botched Benghazi during the campaign, right?
What is funny about you knowing nothing about Putin or Russia? They kill people literally all the time.Jason wrote:Oh MAH GAHHHDDD!!! Putin's gonna kill her!!!!!!11!!!!!1!!!1111!!!Headhunter wrote::ugeek:Wow! She must be telling the truth. The mob oligarchy that rules Russia would always be transparent, In no way is it politically advantageous for her to deny ties to the Russian government. Think.Jason wrote:I just now watched an interview where she said herself that she has zero ties to the Russian government.Headhunter wrote:I'm not deflecting, I answered that earlier in the thread. Yes.Jason wrote:You're deflecting. I asked you multiple times if the person worked for the Russian government or not.Headhunter wrote:Yes, the intent to obtain info of political value from a foreign government as part of a campaign is not legal.Jason wrote:The intent to listen to information that could be damaging to a political opponent?Headhunter wrote:The intent alone buries Trump Jr, and it's flat out admitted, no way to spin it. It doesn't matter if they walked out five minutes into the meeting.
Nobody was throwing shade at the democrats when they got hold of the "Grab him by the pussy" tape. Are they just as guilty, or is this just nowhere near as big of a deal as you're making it out to be.
I'm thinking the latter.
More deflection. Another false equivalence of hilariously epic prprorotions. Stop with the bad analogies and comparisons and just talk about the topic...
I thought I was supposed to be eating so much crow, here. lol. GOAT thread. I'm gonna bow out of the discussion for a bit and watch it explode in the next few pages.
Of course you believe her!!!!!Jason wrote:I just now watched an interview where she said herself that she has zero ties to the Russian government.Headhunter wrote:I'm not deflecting, I answered that earlier in the thread. Yes.Jason wrote:You're deflecting. I asked you multiple times if the person worked for the Russian government or not.Headhunter wrote:Yes, the intent to obtain info of political value from a foreign government as part of a campaign is not legal.Jason wrote:The intent to listen to information that could be damaging to a political opponent?Headhunter wrote:The intent alone buries Trump Jr, and it's flat out admitted, no way to spin it. It doesn't matter if they walked out five minutes into the meeting.
Nobody was throwing shade at the democrats when they got hold of the "Grab him by the pussy" tape. Are they just as guilty, or is this just nowhere near as big of a deal as you're making it out to be.
I'm thinking the latter.
More deflection. Another false equivalence of hilariously epic prprorotions. Stop with the bad analogies and comparisons and just talk about the topic...
Yes, it is illegal if the information expected to be exchanged is considered something of value.Foo wrote:That is not illegal.Headhunter wrote:They attempted to extract opposition research from a foreign government, and if that's considered information of value that is illegal.Foo wrote:I know there is some sort of reality disconnect at play here, so let me shock you with a truth bolt:
Trump is an international business person. Presidential campaigns spend millions upon millions doing opposition research. Just how many times do you think advocates, contractors, and employees of Hillary Clinton reached out to foreign nationals and foreign governments to get information on his business dealings? Do you think they would be interested in corruption if approached with information?
"But Hillary...but Hillary...but Hillary.,,"
Just pointing out that any election involving those with international dealings is going to include information exchange with foreign nationals. It is part of the research process. Do you think the government under the Obama Admin is going to say, "Oh, BTW, the Clinton foundation is corrupt as fuck.". That info has to come from the opposition. It is part of why these campaigns are so expensive.
Did you not want Trump opponents to look into his international dealings? How do you think they could do that without talking to foreign nationals?
To be fair, anyone can read news but not everyone will understand it. Probably just stay out of it tbhJason wrote:I read about this yesterday. I figured some NEWS that SHOCKED THE WORLD by STORM had surely come about that I had just not seen, yet.
DIdn't know it was the #CNNnothingburger I read about yesterday.
Here's a bombshell: I would literally care about this situation exactly the same if it turns out she actually did work for the Russian government.Jmac Attack wrote:Of course you believe her!!!!!
He knows nothing about Putin or Russia. He's embarrassing himself.Jmac Attack wrote:Of course you believe her!!!!!Jason wrote:I just now watched an interview where she said herself that she has zero ties to the Russian government.Headhunter wrote:I'm not deflecting, I answered that earlier in the thread. Yes.Jason wrote:You're deflecting. I asked you multiple times if the person worked for the Russian government or not.Headhunter wrote:Yes, the intent to obtain info of political value from a foreign government as part of a campaign is not legal.Jason wrote:The intent to listen to information that could be damaging to a political opponent?Headhunter wrote:The intent alone buries Trump Jr, and it's flat out admitted, no way to spin it. It doesn't matter if they walked out five minutes into the meeting.
Nobody was throwing shade at the democrats when they got hold of the "Grab him by the pussy" tape. Are they just as guilty, or is this just nowhere near as big of a deal as you're making it out to be.
I'm thinking the latter.
More deflection. Another false equivalence of hilariously epic prprorotions. Stop with the bad analogies and comparisons and just talk about the topic...
We know. You're too invested in Trump to accept damaging facts. Not exactly breaking news.Jason wrote:Here's a bombshell: I would literally care about this situation exactly the same if it turns out she actually did work for the Russian government.Jmac Attack wrote:Of course you believe her!!!!!
Headhunter wrote:He knows nothing about Putin or Russia. He's embarrassing himself.Jmac Attack wrote:Of course you believe her!!!!!Jason wrote:I just now watched an interview where she said herself that she has zero ties to the Russian government.Headhunter wrote:I'm not deflecting, I answered that earlier in the thread. Yes.Jason wrote:You're deflecting. I asked you multiple times if the person worked for the Russian government or not.Headhunter wrote:Yes, the intent to obtain info of political value from a foreign government as part of a campaign is not legal.Jason wrote:#theyarenottheenemy#Headhunter wrote:The intent alone buries Trump Jr, and it's flat out admitted, no way to spin it. It doesn't matter if they walked out five minutes into the meeting.
The intent to listen to information that could be damaging to a political opponent?
Nobody was throwing shade at the democrats when they got hold of the "Grab him by the pussy" tape. Are they just as guilty, or is this just nowhere near as big of a deal as you're making it out to be.
I'm thinking the latter.
More deflection. Another false equivalence of hilariously epic prprorotions. Stop with the bad analogies and comparisons and just talk about the topic...
It's not so difficult to understand that 99% of mainstream news isn't even news.Headhunter wrote:To be fair, anyone can read news but not everyone will understand it. Probably just stay out of it tbhJason wrote:I read about this yesterday. I figured some NEWS that SHOCKED THE WORLD by STORM had surely come about that I had just not seen, yet.
DIdn't know it was the #CNNnothingburger I read about yesterday.
What am I not accepting? Am I denying he met with some Russian attorney? You must've misread when I said I don't give a shit.Headhunter wrote:We know. You're too invested in Trump to accept damaging facts. Not exactly breaking news.Jason wrote:Here's a bombshell: I would literally care about this situation exactly the same if it turns out she actually did work for the Russian government.Jmac Attack wrote:Of course you believe her!!!!!