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Jason wrote: ↑Sat Feb 08, 2025 3:58 pm

Jigsaw wrote: ↑Sat Feb 08, 2025 3:38 pm

Lazerus wrote: ↑Sat Feb 08, 2025 3:32 pm

Reign in Blood wrote: ↑Fri Feb 07, 2025 5:56 pm

Jigsaw wrote: ↑Fri Feb 07, 2025 5:53 pm

Lazerus wrote: ↑Fri Feb 07, 2025 5:52 pm

Jigsaw wrote: ↑Fri Feb 07, 2025 5:49 pm

Lazerus wrote: ↑Fri Feb 07, 2025 5:41 pm

Jigsaw wrote: ↑Thu Feb 06, 2025 11:00 am

Capitalism is what led him to that situation, so acting like socialism would somehow lead to the same place is ridiculous.

NO... I put myself in that situation by making dumb ass decisions. It had nothing to do with capitalism or socialism.

That's fine, then.

For other people, they're put in that situation because of the system, and it's those people I'm concerned with (such as homeless veterans - which is an atrocity - or people who lost their homes to predatory lenders).

Those Situations are different but there are a lot of people who just fuck up, never learn their lessons and end up in one bad situations after the next because of their choices.

I don't care if someone fucks up. They deserve a home, and food, and the possibility of a life. A mistake doesn't mean we can let them rot on the streets. This is why I find the current system inhumane.

Food, and possibility of a life is one thing. But Jigs, you can't really expect a home for every single kid crapped out into the world. Come now.

Some people just don’t live in reality.

Since Reign didn't accurately state my belief, I hope you're not referring to me. I've yet to hear a single reason why any of my beliefs couldn't be actualized in this very world we live on.

Because it inevitably leads to starvation and genocide.

Reign in Blood wrote: ↑Sat Feb 08, 2025 4:04 pm I didn't want to say Jig is advocating the genociding of all your babies, luckily Jason did. Yeah I don't know about these beliefs, young Jiggy.

Jigsaw wrote: ↑Sat Feb 08, 2025 4:07 pm

Jason wrote: ↑Sat Feb 08, 2025 3:58 pm

Jigsaw wrote: ↑Sat Feb 08, 2025 3:38 pm

Lazerus wrote: ↑Sat Feb 08, 2025 3:32 pm

Reign in Blood wrote: ↑Fri Feb 07, 2025 5:56 pm

Jigsaw wrote: ↑Fri Feb 07, 2025 5:53 pm

Lazerus wrote: ↑Fri Feb 07, 2025 5:52 pm

Jigsaw wrote: ↑Fri Feb 07, 2025 5:49 pm

Lazerus wrote: ↑Fri Feb 07, 2025 5:41 pm

Jigsaw wrote: ↑Thu Feb 06, 2025 11:00 am

Capitalism is what led him to that situation, so acting like socialism would somehow lead to the same place is ridiculous.

NO... I put myself in that situation by making dumb ass decisions. It had nothing to do with capitalism or socialism.

That's fine, then.

For other people, they're put in that situation because of the system, and it's those people I'm concerned with (such as homeless veterans - which is an atrocity - or people who lost their homes to predatory lenders).

Those Situations are different but there are a lot of people who just fuck up, never learn their lessons and end up in one bad situations after the next because of their choices.

I don't care if someone fucks up. They deserve a home, and food, and the possibility of a life. A mistake doesn't mean we can let them rot on the streets. This is why I find the current system inhumane.

Food, and possibility of a life is one thing. But Jigs, you can't really expect a home for every single kid crapped out into the world. Come now.

Some people just don’t live in reality.

Since Reign didn't accurately state my belief, I hope you're not referring to me. I've yet to hear a single reason why any of my beliefs couldn't be actualized in this very world we live on.

Because it inevitably leads to starvation and genocide.

Starvation and genocide also happen under capitalism, so at best, both are shit systems.

Jason wrote: ↑Sat Feb 08, 2025 4:10 pm

Jigsaw wrote: ↑Sat Feb 08, 2025 4:07 pm

Jason wrote: ↑Sat Feb 08, 2025 3:58 pm

Jigsaw wrote: ↑Sat Feb 08, 2025 3:38 pm

Lazerus wrote: ↑Sat Feb 08, 2025 3:32 pm

Reign in Blood wrote: ↑Fri Feb 07, 2025 5:56 pm

Jigsaw wrote: ↑Fri Feb 07, 2025 5:53 pm

Lazerus wrote: ↑Fri Feb 07, 2025 5:52 pm

Jigsaw wrote: ↑Fri Feb 07, 2025 5:49 pm

Lazerus wrote: ↑Fri Feb 07, 2025 5:41 pm

Jigsaw wrote: ↑Thu Feb 06, 2025 11:00 am

Capitalism is what led him to that situation, so acting like socialism would somehow lead to the same place is ridiculous.

NO... I put myself in that situation by making dumb ass decisions. It had nothing to do with capitalism or socialism.

That's fine, then.

For other people, they're put in that situation because of the system, and it's those people I'm concerned with (such as homeless veterans - which is an atrocity - or people who lost their homes to predatory lenders).

Those Situations are different but there are a lot of people who just fuck up, never learn their lessons and end up in one bad situations after the next because of their choices.

I don't care if someone fucks up. They deserve a home, and food, and the possibility of a life. A mistake doesn't mean we can let them rot on the streets. This is why I find the current system inhumane.

Food, and possibility of a life is one thing. But Jigs, you can't really expect a home for every single kid crapped out into the world. Come now.

Some people just don’t live in reality.

Since Reign didn't accurately state my belief, I hope you're not referring to me. I've yet to hear a single reason why any of my beliefs couldn't be actualized in this very world we live on.

Because it inevitably leads to starvation and genocide.

Starvation and genocide also happen under capitalism, so at best, both are shit systems.

0.001% compared to 100% is a pretty big difference.

Jigsaw wrote: ↑Sat Feb 08, 2025 4:14 pm That doesn't sound remotely accurate. Still a socialist, sorry.

Jason wrote: ↑Sat Feb 08, 2025 4:16 pm

Jigsaw wrote: ↑Sat Feb 08, 2025 4:14 pm That doesn't sound remotely accurate. Still a socialist, sorry.

Socialist in fantasy.
Capitalist in reality.

Jigsaw wrote: ↑Sat Feb 08, 2025 4:20 pm

Jason wrote: ↑Sat Feb 08, 2025 4:16 pm

Jigsaw wrote: ↑Sat Feb 08, 2025 4:14 pm That doesn't sound remotely accurate. Still a socialist, sorry.

Socialist in fantasy.
Capitalist in reality.

I think we have different definitions of "capitalist."

Not everyone who lives within a capitalist system is automatically a capitalist. It doesn't work that way.

Jason wrote: ↑Sat Feb 08, 2025 4:21 pm

Jigsaw wrote: ↑Sat Feb 08, 2025 4:20 pm

Jason wrote: ↑Sat Feb 08, 2025 4:16 pm

Jigsaw wrote: ↑Sat Feb 08, 2025 4:14 pm That doesn't sound remotely accurate. Still a socialist, sorry.

Socialist in fantasy.
Capitalist in reality.

I think we have different definitions of "capitalist."

Not everyone who lives within a capitalist system is automatically a capitalist. It doesn't work that way.

Do you like... purchase food and stuff?

Jigsaw wrote: ↑Sat Feb 08, 2025 4:29 pm

Jason wrote: ↑Sat Feb 08, 2025 4:21 pm

Jigsaw wrote: ↑Sat Feb 08, 2025 4:20 pm

Jason wrote: ↑Sat Feb 08, 2025 4:16 pm

Jigsaw wrote: ↑Sat Feb 08, 2025 4:14 pm That doesn't sound remotely accurate. Still a socialist, sorry.

Socialist in fantasy.
Capitalist in reality.

I think we have different definitions of "capitalist."

Not everyone who lives within a capitalist system is automatically a capitalist. It doesn't work that way.

Do you like... purchase food and stuff?

See, that type of simplistic definiton is of no use. If someone lives in a country like this, they have literally no option but to participate in said system. I wouldn't say that makes someone a "capitalist" at all.

Jigsaw wrote: ↑Sat Feb 08, 2025 3:38 pm

Lazerus wrote: ↑Sat Feb 08, 2025 3:32 pm

Reign in Blood wrote: ↑Fri Feb 07, 2025 5:56 pm

Jigsaw wrote: ↑Fri Feb 07, 2025 5:53 pm

Lazerus wrote: ↑Fri Feb 07, 2025 5:52 pm

Jigsaw wrote: ↑Fri Feb 07, 2025 5:49 pm

Lazerus wrote: ↑Fri Feb 07, 2025 5:41 pm

Jigsaw wrote: ↑Thu Feb 06, 2025 11:00 am

Capitalism is what led him to that situation, so acting like socialism would somehow lead to the same place is ridiculous.

NO... I put myself in that situation by making dumb ass decisions. It had nothing to do with capitalism or socialism.

That's fine, then.

For other people, they're put in that situation because of the system, and it's those people I'm concerned with (such as homeless veterans - which is an atrocity - or people who lost their homes to predatory lenders).

Those Situations are different but there are a lot of people who just fuck up, never learn their lessons and end up in one bad situations after the next because of their choices.

I don't care if someone fucks up. They deserve a home, and food, and the possibility of a life. A mistake doesn't mean we can let them rot on the streets. This is why I find the current system inhumane.

Food, and possibility of a life is one thing. But Jigs, you can't really expect a home for every single kid crapped out into the world. Come now.

Some people just don’t live in reality.

Since Reign didn't accurately state my belief, I hope you're not referring to me. I've yet to hear a single reason why any of my beliefs couldn't be actualized in this very world we live on.

Lazerus wrote: ↑Sun Feb 09, 2025 6:24 am It was a blanket statement, not a jab at you.

I don't agree with all of your views as you are aware but I understand you're passionate about them and what you believe in, and I respect that.

Jigsaw wrote: ↑Sun Feb 09, 2025 2:20 pm

Lazerus wrote: ↑Sun Feb 09, 2025 6:24 am It was a blanket statement, not a jab at you.

I don't agree with all of your views as you are aware but I understand you're passionate about them and what you believe in, and I respect that.

Just so you know that's there's no ill will, my father was a mostly life-long Republican. Now, he died late 2015 - he despised Trump, and had he lived into 2016, there's no way in hell he ever would have voted for him (while he was a life-long Republican, he was consistently conservative on economic issues and liberal on social issues).

My point is this - I understand and respect plenty of counterbeliefs to my own. Hell, to an extent, I understand why some people got caught in the MAGA web, and I certainly don't blame some of the Trump voters in 2016 (God knows how much I hated Clinton, as many here remember).

As long as we can debate these ideas in good faith, that's all that matters to me.

Reign in Blood wrote: ↑Sun Feb 09, 2025 2:35 pm

Jigsaw wrote: ↑Sun Feb 09, 2025 2:20 pm

Lazerus wrote: ↑Sun Feb 09, 2025 6:24 am It was a blanket statement, not a jab at you.

I don't agree with all of your views as you are aware but I understand you're passionate about them and what you believe in, and I respect that.

Just so you know that's there's no ill will, my father was a mostly life-long Republican. Now, he died late 2015 - he despised Trump, and had he lived into 2016, there's no way in hell he ever would have voted for him (while he was a life-long Republican, he was consistently conservative on economic issues and liberal on social issues).

My point is this - I understand and respect plenty of counterbeliefs to my own. Hell, to an extent, I understand why some people got caught in the MAGA web, and I certainly don't blame some of the Trump voters in 2016 (God knows how much I hated Clinton, as many here remember).

As long as we can debate these ideas in good faith, that's all that matters to me.

In good faith, I thought you hated religion?

Jason wrote: ↑Sun Feb 09, 2025 2:37 pmHe's got a point.

Jigsaw wrote: ↑Sun Feb 09, 2025 2:38 pm

Jason wrote: ↑Sun Feb 09, 2025 2:37 pmHe's got a point.

He's doesn't, and I doubt he thinks he does either. "Good faith" is a phrase that can be used regardless of ones' thoughts of religion, sorry fam.