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Reign in Blood wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2024 1:46 pm

zombie wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2024 1:36 pm it is interesting that both of you mentioned appeasing the right for the money. who does that the other way?

Bruce Springsteen

Reign in Blood wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2024 1:46 pm

zombie wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2024 1:36 pm it is interesting that both of you mentioned appeasing the right for the money. who does that the other way?

Bruce Springsteen

zombie wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2024 1:49 pm

Reign in Blood wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2024 1:46 pm

zombie wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2024 1:36 pm it is interesting that both of you mentioned appeasing the right for the money. who does that the other way?

Bruce Springsteen

show me?

zombie wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2024 1:49 pm

Reign in Blood wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2024 1:46 pm

zombie wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2024 1:36 pm it is interesting that both of you mentioned appeasing the right for the money. who does that the other way?

Bruce Springsteen

show me?

Reign in Blood wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2024 1:45 pm

zombie wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2024 1:35 pm

Jason wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2024 1:29 pm

zombie wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2024 1:16 pm

Jason wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2024 1:10 pm

zombie wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2024 7:36 am tim pool is not on the left.

Tim Pool is probably more left leaning even by modern standards. The spectrum has been moved so far from the cancel culture Pink haired crazies that anything opposes them has been considered right wing. So who knows where anyone falls in the current paradigm.

what positions make him left?

I don't follow him. But he opposed Trump in 2016 and 2020. He worked for Vice and ABC and as a registered Democrat, supported Bernie Sanders in both primaries. Seems pretty left to me.

i haven't seen anything to point toward him holding any left positions. but i'm willing to have my mind changed, if someone wants to share. *shrug*

He has publicly supported Bernie.

Jason wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2024 1:49 pm

zombie wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2024 1:49 pm

Reign in Blood wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2024 1:46 pm

zombie wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2024 1:36 pm it is interesting that both of you mentioned appeasing the right for the money. who does that the other way?

Bruce Springsteen

show me?

Kamala had to pay all the celebrities at her rallies to show up. Oprah's cost was 1.5 million I believe.

Reign in Blood wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2024 1:52 pm Both Springsteen and T-Swizzle forsaken him.

zombie wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2024 1:58 pm

Reign in Blood wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2024 1:52 pm Both Springsteen and T-Swizzle forsaken him.

were they ever conservative as adults, or did people just put that speculation onto them?

Jason wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2024 2:05 pm

zombie wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2024 1:58 pm

Reign in Blood wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2024 1:52 pm Both Springsteen and T-Swizzle forsaken him.

were they ever conservative as adults, or did people just put that speculation onto them?

Half of Springsteen's songs appeal to working class men trying to get on the up and up, so endorsing the democrats of today made a lot of his working class fans feel abandoned by him.

zombie wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2024 2:10 pm

Jason wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2024 2:05 pm

zombie wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2024 1:58 pm

Reign in Blood wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2024 1:52 pm Both Springsteen and T-Swizzle forsaken him.

were they ever conservative as adults, or did people just put that speculation onto them?

Half of Springsteen's songs appeal to working class men trying to get on the up and up, so endorsing the democrats of today made a lot of his working class fans feel abandoned by him.

that's fair. his politics don't match up with that of all of his fans. i bet nirvana had some right wing fans too. that's not the same thing. but fair enough.

Jason wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2024 2:20 pm

zombie wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2024 2:10 pm

Jason wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2024 2:05 pm

zombie wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2024 1:58 pm

Reign in Blood wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2024 1:52 pm Both Springsteen and T-Swizzle forsaken him.

were they ever conservative as adults, or did people just put that speculation onto them?

Half of Springsteen's songs appeal to working class men trying to get on the up and up, so endorsing the democrats of today made a lot of his working class fans feel abandoned by him.

that's fair. his politics don't match up with that of all of his fans. i bet nirvana had some right wing fans too. that's not the same thing. but fair enough.

Back in the 80s, Reagan and Carter both had appeal to working class men, so it was closer to a pick 'em type deal. The dems have totally abandoned the working class so the shift in voting from blue collar men has been far more prominent to the right over the last couple decades and is only moving further.

zombie wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2024 2:27 pm

Jason wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2024 2:20 pm

zombie wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2024 2:10 pm

Jason wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2024 2:05 pm

zombie wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2024 1:58 pm

Reign in Blood wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2024 1:52 pm Both Springsteen and T-Swizzle forsaken him.

were they ever conservative as adults, or did people just put that speculation onto them?

Half of Springsteen's songs appeal to working class men trying to get on the up and up, so endorsing the democrats of today made a lot of his working class fans feel abandoned by him.

that's fair. his politics don't match up with that of all of his fans. i bet nirvana had some right wing fans too. that's not the same thing. but fair enough.

Back in the 80s, Reagan and Carter both had appeal to working class men, so it was closer to a pick 'em type deal. The dems have totally abandoned the working class so the shift in voting from blue collar men has been far more prominent to the right over the last couple decades and is only moving further.

i mean i don't disagree with any particular point. the left should have a big public figure role model to draw people away from jordan peterson and andrew tate types.. and that is definitely lacking in the media or political-sphere right now. if you're saying that bruce springsteen should have tried to fill that position for the left, i can agree. but i don't think that's what you meant to be getting at.

Jason wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2024 2:28 pm

zombie wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2024 2:27 pm

Jason wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2024 2:20 pm

zombie wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2024 2:10 pm

Jason wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2024 2:05 pm

zombie wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2024 1:58 pm

Reign in Blood wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2024 1:52 pm Both Springsteen and T-Swizzle forsaken him.

were they ever conservative as adults, or did people just put that speculation onto them?

Half of Springsteen's songs appeal to working class men trying to get on the up and up, so endorsing the democrats of today made a lot of his working class fans feel abandoned by him.

that's fair. his politics don't match up with that of all of his fans. i bet nirvana had some right wing fans too. that's not the same thing. but fair enough.

Back in the 80s, Reagan and Carter both had appeal to working class men, so it was closer to a pick 'em type deal. The dems have totally abandoned the working class so the shift in voting from blue collar men has been far more prominent to the right over the last couple decades and is only moving further.

i mean i don't disagree with any particular point. the left should have a big public figure role model to draw people away from jordan peterson and andrew tate types.. and that is definitely lacking in the media or political-sphere right now. if you're saying that bruce springsteen should have tried to fill that position for the left, i can agree. but i don't think that's what you meant to be getting at.

Lumping Jordan Peterson in with Andrew Tate is the wildest take I have ever seen in any of these threads.

zombie wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2024 2:29 pm

Jason wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2024 2:28 pm

zombie wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2024 2:27 pm

Jason wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2024 2:20 pm

zombie wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2024 2:10 pm

Jason wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2024 2:05 pm

zombie wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2024 1:58 pm

Reign in Blood wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2024 1:52 pm Both Springsteen and T-Swizzle forsaken him.

were they ever conservative as adults, or did people just put that speculation onto them?

Half of Springsteen's songs appeal to working class men trying to get on the up and up, so endorsing the democrats of today made a lot of his working class fans feel abandoned by him.

that's fair. his politics don't match up with that of all of his fans. i bet nirvana had some right wing fans too. that's not the same thing. but fair enough.

Back in the 80s, Reagan and Carter both had appeal to working class men, so it was closer to a pick 'em type deal. The dems have totally abandoned the working class so the shift in voting from blue collar men has been far more prominent to the right over the last couple decades and is only moving further.

i mean i don't disagree with any particular point. the left should have a big public figure role model to draw people away from jordan peterson and andrew tate types.. and that is definitely lacking in the media or political-sphere right now. if you're saying that bruce springsteen should have tried to fill that position for the left, i can agree. but i don't think that's what you meant to be getting at.

Lumping Jordan Peterson in with Andrew Tate is the wildest take I have ever seen in any of these threads.

only in the sense that they both appeal to men on the right. and maybe that the daughter of one was allegedly being boned by the other....

Jason wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2024 2:30 pm

zombie wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2024 2:29 pm

Jason wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2024 2:28 pm

zombie wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2024 2:27 pm

Jason wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2024 2:20 pm

zombie wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2024 2:10 pm

Jason wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2024 2:05 pm

zombie wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2024 1:58 pm

Reign in Blood wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2024 1:52 pm Both Springsteen and T-Swizzle forsaken him.

were they ever conservative as adults, or did people just put that speculation onto them?

Half of Springsteen's songs appeal to working class men trying to get on the up and up, so endorsing the democrats of today made a lot of his working class fans feel abandoned by him.

that's fair. his politics don't match up with that of all of his fans. i bet nirvana had some right wing fans too. that's not the same thing. but fair enough.

Back in the 80s, Reagan and Carter both had appeal to working class men, so it was closer to a pick 'em type deal. The dems have totally abandoned the working class so the shift in voting from blue collar men has been far more prominent to the right over the last couple decades and is only moving further.

i mean i don't disagree with any particular point. the left should have a big public figure role model to draw people away from jordan peterson and andrew tate types.. and that is definitely lacking in the media or political-sphere right now. if you're saying that bruce springsteen should have tried to fill that position for the left, i can agree. but i don't think that's what you meant to be getting at.

Lumping Jordan Peterson in with Andrew Tate is the wildest take I have ever seen in any of these threads.

only in the sense that they both appeal to men on the right. and maybe that the daughter of one was allegedly being boned by the other....

What in the hell are your sources? Lmao

Jason wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2024 2:31 pm I can't think of one negative thing about Jordan Peterson. That dude is about as wonderful of a human being as you can get.

zombie wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2024 2:40 pm

Jason wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2024 2:31 pm I can't think of one negative thing about Jordan Peterson. That dude is about as wonderful of a human being as you can get.

i don't like his public persona or the things he advocates for. but i did think he was cool for a minute or two earlier on. you can probably dig that up here, if you wanted to.