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zombie wrote:

Headhunter wrote:Here are a few things I’ve had to respect to no end:

repeat?

Lol yup.

Before I leave this site, we need to get one god damn thing clear, here. And all of you need to pay the fuck attention.

Every. Single. Fucking. One of us, has been involved in totally heated discussions. Every single one of us. We've said mean things to each other, treated each other poorly and with utter disrespect. Nobody in here is going to deny that. And in case anyone is too dense to notice, it always occurs when we're discussing politics. 100% of the time. That is the common theme. Politics. Look at the subtext of the title of the forum. "IT WILL GET HEATED. CAN'T TAKE IT. DON'T OPEN THE FORUM." When I open this forum, and people are saying absolutely horrible things about Trump supporters, generalizing them all in the same category, you are also talking about me. You know that, right? And look, I'll even ignore the generalization of Trump supporters, look at what has been said to be me directly! I have been accused of being a racist, a homophobe, a xenophobe, a sexist, a nazi sympathizer, a white supermacist, a rape sympathizer, an idiot with low IQ, a tinfoil-hat-wearing conspiracy theorist, and what's the meanest thing I've said about anyone else? What's the big thing you got on me? That I may have accused more than one of you of being disingenuous about it? Really? That's the big intervention you want to have here, Head? That after years of all this ridicule for supporting Trump, that I have the gall to bring up the idea that maybe you're being disingenuous? You think so lowly of someone (Trump), that you allow yourself to think that lowly of his fan base for supporting him, that you think that lowly of me for supporting him. And it's me who needs the intervention for calling you disingenuous for never, not once, backing up your claims as to why I am a racist-homophobe-xenophone-nazi-sexist-whitesupremacist-rapesympathizer. All this name-calling of me has a root cause. You know what that root cause is? The disdain for Donald Trump. And how could I be such a cunt to accuse anyone of not being honest with yourselves about how any potential bias you may have against Trump after saying such disgusting shit to me? All of the worst things that have been said on this forum, have been said about me and directly to me.

I am standing by my word in that I do not think less of anyone here, no matter what has been said to me. It appears as though I'm the only one who holds himself to that standard. Anyone in here that Head dragged into this mess. Anyone in here who wants to point the finger at me needs to take a long look in the god damn mirror at the nasty and evil shit that has been said to me, because I guarantee you, what some of you have said about me, right to me, is far fucking worse than accusing someone of being disingenuous. If you think less of me for that, after all the god damn blows that I've absorbed over the years in the political discussions, then I have nothing else to say. Ever.

i've been name called and my point of view dismissed. i feel like leaving sometimes. i feel like people look down on me and think less of me for a number of reasons. am i right?

zombie wrote:i've been name called and my point of view dismissed. i feel like leaving sometimes. i feel like people look down on me and think less of me for a number of reasons. am i right?

No. But if you retaliate and someone tries to have an intervention about how horrible you are, maybe they need to look in the god damn mirror.

I don’t understand how heated discussions are relevant to the specific behavior outlined. Not the same thing.

Jason wrote:

zombie wrote:i've been name called and my point of view dismissed. i feel like leaving sometimes. i feel like people look down on me and think less of me for a number of reasons. am i right?

No. But if you retaliate and someone tries to have an intervention about how horrible you are, maybe they need to look in the god damn mirror.

i am not connected to head. we don't pow-wow or organize. this is not an intervention. i just want to have a discussion and not be dismissed. if i do something wrong too, tell me. that's how people grow and get better.

zombie wrote:

Jason wrote:

zombie wrote:i've been name called and my point of view dismissed. i feel like leaving sometimes. i feel like people look down on me and think less of me for a number of reasons. am i right?

No. But if you retaliate and someone tries to have an intervention about how horrible you are, maybe they need to look in the god damn mirror.

i am not connected to head. we don't pow-wow or organize. this is not an intervention. i just want to have a discussion and not be dismissed. if i do something wrong too, tell me. that's how people grow and get better.

Have I dismissed you? Have I accused you of having a disingenuous belief? If I have, what was it? And tell me why your belief is not disingenuous?

I am dismissed and ridiculed nearly every single time I make a post in here. Have you not noticed? Has no one noticed? I am the bad guy?

Headhunter wrote:I don’t understand how heated discussions are relevant to the specific behavior outlined. Not the same thing.

That you can't handle that I call you disingenuous after all the disgusting shit you've said to me? I'm sorry your feelings are hurt.

Jason wrote:

zombie wrote:

Jason wrote:

zombie wrote:i've been name called and my point of view dismissed. i feel like leaving sometimes. i feel like people look down on me and think less of me for a number of reasons. am i right?

No. But if you retaliate and someone tries to have an intervention about how horrible you are, maybe they need to look in the god damn mirror.

i am not connected to head. we don't pow-wow or organize. this is not an intervention. i just want to have a discussion and not be dismissed. if i do something wrong too, tell me. that's how people grow and get better.

Have I dismissed you? Have I accused you of having a disingenuous belief? If I have, what was it? And tell me why your belief is not disingenuous?

I am dismissed and ridiculed nearly every single time I make a post in here. Have you not noticed? Has no one noticed? I am the bad guy?

you have dismissed me, sometimes. it feels like you're using "disingenuous" as a catch-all, so i can't speak to that.

i notice that you and head poke and snipe at each other. i've put my nose into that, and told to butt out. it's not my place, so yeah.

i notice that if someone has an opinion that doesn't necessarily favor you or your politics, then it's because of head. but it's not.

Also my answer to what seems to be the prevailing question in that post is yes. What we’re talking about is more worthy of criticism than dumb, reckless mud slinging between two people. It’s actually worse that you would casually dismiss someone’s ability to speak and think for themselves under the guise of a civil conversation. Makes everything a total non-starter to say someone’s opinion isn’t genuine. You might as well tell everyone else to not talk about politics at all here. I do think that behavior is worth calling out without a doubt.

Jason wrote:

Headhunter wrote:I don’t understand how heated discussions are relevant to the specific behavior outlined. Not the same thing.

That you can't handle that I call you disingenuous after all the disgusting shit you've said to me? I'm sorry your feelings are hurt.

How many times now have I had to point out that I don’t care what’s directed toward me, and that it’s about everyone else? Let this be the last time.

Headhunter wrote:Also my answer to what seems to be the prevailing question in that post is yes. What we’re talking about is more worthy of criticism than dumb, reckless mud slinging between two people. It’s actually worse that you would casually dismiss someone’s ability to speak and think for themselves under the guise of a civil conversation. Makes everything a total non-starter to say someone’s opinion isn’t genuine. You might as well tell everyone else to not talk about politics at all here. I do think that behavior is worth calling out without a doubt.

Call it out, just don't be pissed when I bring up how much more frequently I am dismissed and ridiculed for my opinions and why I acknowledge those patterns that cause me to believe some of you might be disingenuous based on the way you treat me. The fact you won't look in the mirror says it all.

Headhunter wrote:

Jason wrote:

Headhunter wrote:I don’t understand how heated discussions are relevant to the specific behavior outlined. Not the same thing.

That you can't handle that I call you disingenuous after all the disgusting shit you've said to me? I'm sorry your feelings are hurt.

How many times now have I had to point out that I don’t care what’s directed toward me, and that it’s about everyone else? Let this be the last time.

Yeah, you think you're a god damn superhero. We get it.

Also, yes. You’ve dismissed people here and called them disingenuous, too many times to count. That’s what we’re talking about. You do it to me, Zombie, J-Mac, Tigg, Seb, hell you even did it to Reign once. I don’t see how you can possibly not know that you do this to everyone, and you do it all the damn time.

Jason wrote:

Headhunter wrote:

Jason wrote:

Headhunter wrote:I don’t understand how heated discussions are relevant to the specific behavior outlined. Not the same thing.

That you can't handle that I call you disingenuous after all the disgusting shit you've said to me? I'm sorry your feelings are hurt.

How many times now have I had to point out that I don’t care what’s directed toward me, and that it’s about everyone else? Let this be the last time.

Yeah, you think you're a god damn superhero. We get it.

No, you don’t get it. Because you won’t step centering the issue around me. Don’t say you get it when I’ve made myself clear 15-20 times and you still don’t get it.

Headhunter wrote:It’s actually worse that you would casually dismiss someone’s ability to speak and think for themselves

News flash: When I accuse you of being disingenuous, I am not dismissing your ability to speak. I expect a response. If you're not being disingenuous, tell me why you're not being fucking disingenuous. Not that hard. At all.

Jason wrote:

Headhunter wrote:Also my answer to what seems to be the prevailing question in that post is yes. What we’re talking about is more worthy of criticism than dumb, reckless mud slinging between two people. It’s actually worse that you would casually dismiss someone’s ability to speak and think for themselves under the guise of a civil conversation. Makes everything a total non-starter to say someone’s opinion isn’t genuine. You might as well tell everyone else to not talk about politics at all here. I do think that behavior is worth calling out without a doubt.

Call it out, just don't be pissed when I bring up how much more frequently I am dismissed and ridiculed for my opinions and why I acknowledge those patterns that cause me to believe some of you might be disingenuous based on the way you treat me. The fact you won't look in the mirror says it all.

What am I not looking in the mirror concerning? Have I denied saying anything I’ve said to you? It’s not relevant to what we’re talking about here. You can’t even acknowledge what we’ve repeatedly told you to stop doing. You’re the one who isn’t looking in the mirror.

Headhunter wrote:

Jason wrote:

Headhunter wrote:

Jason wrote:

Headhunter wrote:I don’t understand how heated discussions are relevant to the specific behavior outlined. Not the same thing.

That you can't handle that I call you disingenuous after all the disgusting shit you've said to me? I'm sorry your feelings are hurt.

How many times now have I had to point out that I don’t care what’s directed toward me, and that it’s about everyone else? Let this be the last time.

Yeah, you think you're a god damn superhero. We get it.

No, you don’t get it. Because you won’t step centering the issue around me. Don’t say you get it when I’ve made myself clear 15-20 times and you still don’t get it.

You're the one that brought it up, and I've acknowledged it in a way that makes you and everyone else uncomfortable.

Jason wrote:

Headhunter wrote:It’s actually worse that you would casually dismiss someone’s ability to speak and think for themselves

News flash: When I accuse you of being disingenuous, I am not dismissing your ability to speak. I expect a response. If you're not being disingenuous, tell me why you're not being fucking disingenuous. Not that hard. At all.

News flash: When you tell people they’re not being honest, you’re not accepting the back and forth dynamic that is a conversation, you’re just being a dick. Learn fucking social skills.

Jason wrote:

Headhunter wrote:

Jason wrote:

Headhunter wrote:

Jason wrote:

Headhunter wrote:I don’t understand how heated discussions are relevant to the specific behavior outlined. Not the same thing.

That you can't handle that I call you disingenuous after all the disgusting shit you've said to me? I'm sorry your feelings are hurt.

How many times now have I had to point out that I don’t care what’s directed toward me, and that it’s about everyone else? Let this be the last time.

Yeah, you think you're a god damn superhero. We get it.

No, you don’t get it. Because you won’t step centering the issue around me. Don’t say you get it when I’ve made myself clear 15-20 times and you still don’t get it.

You're the one that brought it up, and I've acknowledged it in a way that makes you and everyone else uncomfortable.

No. I didn’t bring it up. Zombie told you to knock it off for like the fifth time and you ignored and deflected his concern to talk about how I’m trying to rally the board against you. Which is complete bullshit.