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Re: NFL Offseason, 2017

Posted: Mon Sep 04, 2017 11:56 pm
by Headhunter
Foo wrote:See: Colin Kaep's "record $61 million guarantee"
At the time, it seemed 90% of fans were losing their minds. The other 10% recognized it was structured as a year by year contract to benefit the team's flexibility.

Re: NFL Offseason, 2017

Posted: Mon Sep 04, 2017 11:58 pm
by Headhunter
Foo wrote:I would LOVE to see a study on what percentage of players see the final year of their first non-rookie contract.
I'm gonna look into this just for the Broncos, but my gut instinct is that there have been very few players who actually played out lengthy second contracts for the Broncos. Shit, DeMarcus Ware even had to take a pay cut to play out his third year.

Re: NFL Offseason, 2017

Posted: Tue Sep 05, 2017 12:08 am
by Foo
Headhunter wrote:
Foo wrote:I would LOVE to see a study on what percentage of players see the final year of their first non-rookie contract.
I'm gonna look into this just for the Broncos, but my gut instinct is that there have been very few players who actually played out lengthy second contracts for the Broncos. Shit, DeMarcus Ware even had to take a pay cut to play out his third year.
Outside of elite starting QBs I am guessing it is very rare. Obviously they are usually negotiating raises at that point, but I would say it is less than 5% for the rest of the league.

Re: NFL Offseason, 2017

Posted: Tue Sep 05, 2017 12:13 am
by Foo
I would count Champ as one. He probably re-signed before hitting that final year on his second deal, but it was effectively for more, not less I would imagine. In other words, it was his choice to not play it out, not the team renegotiating him down or cutting him.

Re: NFL Offseason, 2017

Posted: Tue Sep 05, 2017 12:17 am
by Headhunter
Foo wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
Foo wrote:I would LOVE to see a study on what percentage of players see the final year of their first non-rookie contract.
I'm gonna look into this just for the Broncos, but my gut instinct is that there have been very few players who actually played out lengthy second contracts for the Broncos. Shit, DeMarcus Ware even had to take a pay cut to play out his third year.
Outside of elite starting QBs I am guessing it is very rare. Obviously they are usually negotiating raises at that point, but I would say it is less than 5% for the rest of the league.
Statistically I'm sure the hit rate for playing out contracts is higher now just because teams stopped loading the contracts with so much window dressing. Six year contracts are the max you see anymore, I remember 7-10 year deals being pretty normal for a while. I doubt anybody ever played out one of those.

Re: NFL Offseason, 2017

Posted: Tue Sep 05, 2017 12:23 am
by Headhunter
Foo wrote:I would count Champ as one. He probably re-signed before hitting that final year on his second deal, but it was effectively for more, not less I would imagine. In other words, it was his choice to not play it out, not the team renegotiating him down or cutting him.
Shit, I think Champ actually played out his deal. Seven years no less, he was a true free agent in 2011 when he was re-signed.

7 years, 63 million for a corner was pretty incredible for 2004, enough so that it was still a great deal for Champ by 2010.

Re: NFL Offseason, 2017

Posted: Tue Sep 05, 2017 12:27 am
by Foo
Headhunter wrote:
Foo wrote:I would count Champ as one. He probably re-signed before hitting that final year on his second deal, but it was effectively for more, not less I would imagine. In other words, it was his choice to not play it out, not the team renegotiating him down or cutting him.
Shit, I think Champ actually played out his deal. Seven years no less, he was a true free agent in 2011 when he was re-signed.

7 years, 63 million for a corner was pretty incredible for 2004, enough so that it was still a great deal for Champ by 2010.
Well, there we go. Just have to be an all time great CB. :p

How about some of those O-lineman from that era?

Re: NFL Offseason, 2017

Posted: Tue Sep 05, 2017 12:30 am
by Headhunter
Foo wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
Foo wrote:I would count Champ as one. He probably re-signed before hitting that final year on his second deal, but it was effectively for more, not less I would imagine. In other words, it was his choice to not play it out, not the team renegotiating him down or cutting him.
Shit, I think Champ actually played out his deal. Seven years no less, he was a true free agent in 2011 when he was re-signed.

7 years, 63 million for a corner was pretty incredible for 2004, enough so that it was still a great deal for Champ by 2010.
Well, there we go. Just have to be an all time great CB. :p

How about some of those O-lineman from that era?
Looking for Nalen's contract info. This stuff is a lot tougher to find than it should be.

Re: NFL Offseason, 2017

Posted: Tue Sep 05, 2017 12:32 am
by Headhunter
LOL. Nalen got his second contract in 1999.

Restructured the very next offseason and again in 2001. Unreal. Never fails. :lol:

Re: NFL Offseason, 2017

Posted: Tue Sep 05, 2017 12:41 am
by Headhunter
Tony Jones got a seven year deal in 2000.

That was his last season in the NFL . . .

Re: NFL Offseason, 2017

Posted: Tue Sep 05, 2017 12:48 am
by Foo
Jason Elam

Re: NFL Offseason, 2017

Posted: Tue Sep 05, 2017 12:50 am
by Headhunter
Trevor Pryce is another good one. Dumervil.

Re: NFL Offseason, 2017

Posted: Tue Sep 05, 2017 1:12 am
by Jason
Can I borrow your fax machine?

Re: NFL Offseason, 2017

Posted: Tue Sep 05, 2017 2:21 pm
by Reign in Blood
Jason wrote:Can I borrow your fax machine?

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Re: NFL Offseason, 2017

Posted: Tue Sep 05, 2017 2:44 pm
by Jason
Von praising Bolles and Menelik Watson. Hope he's correct.

Re: NFL Offseason, 2017

Posted: Wed Sep 06, 2017 12:12 am
by Headhunter
Jason wrote:Von praising Bolles and Menelik Watson. Hope he's correct.
Great teammate, good leadership. They'll be a liability this year, but hopefully Bolles is a stud in the future and we'll find a real RT at some point.

Re: NFL Offseason, 2017

Posted: Wed Sep 06, 2017 10:41 am
by Tiggnutz
Thank you Nessa,you being a racist bigot kept your meal ticket from being a Raven. :lol:

Re: NFL Offseason, 2017

Posted: Wed Sep 06, 2017 12:04 pm
by Headhunter
Tiggnutz wrote:Thank you Nessa,you being a racist bigot kept your meal ticket from being a Raven. :lol:
Two days before kickoff and we can't stick to sports in a sports thread on PoliticsStoryFans.com? Sad!

Ray Lewis should stick to murder. That guy is insufferable.

Re: NFL Offseason, 2017

Posted: Wed Sep 06, 2017 12:29 pm
by Headhunter
If I'm a murderer and need to dispose of a blood-soaked suit, Ray is the first guy I'm calling. For any other reason, last guy I'm calling. He fashions himself as this father figure to young players and doesn't see how corny and fake his persona comes across as. He should be ignored altogether.

Re: NFL Offseason, 2017

Posted: Wed Sep 06, 2017 12:39 pm
by Jason
Well, Ray Lewis was the one making the push for Baltimore to sign Kraeppernick. lol. Not his fault his girlfriend's a dumb ass.

All three are insufferable.