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You just don't know how to pick em. You're like the male Taylor Swift. There's a song about being politically left and then losing your love to a leftist ideal waiting to be written.
awww come on. don't be shifty.
I like to be secretive. I pull from an aggregate of information. I went 50-for-50 on my election prediction barring shenanigans. You get a better read on politics when you grab from historically trustworthy and accurate sources and pundits
Working class are concerned about being able to afford to feed their families and if it's safe for their kids to go outside. Are their kids getting a proper education. Democrats said those things are great you are just to stupid to realize it, what you really should care about are pronouns and how evil white people are. Not a messaging problem because that is the message and has been for a long time.zombie wrote: ↑Sat Nov 16, 2024 12:55 pm what does "abandoned the working class" look like? i want to understand your point of view on it? does it relate to economy or cost of living specifically or does it relate to rhetoric and messaging? does it relate to the art and entertainment produced and developed in the country? is there a solution that doesn't necessitate discrimination or abandonment of some other demographic in the country? or would that be a necessary part of helping the working class back up or appealing to their interests and concerns?
when was the last time you felt looked out for by democrats, then? what is the republican message to the working class?Tiggnutz wrote: ↑Sat Nov 16, 2024 1:45 pmWorking class are concerned about being able to afford to feed their families and if it's safe for their kids to go outside. Are their kids getting a proper education. Democrats said those things are great you are just to stupid to realize it, what you really should care about are pronouns and how evil white people are. Not a messaging problem because that is the message and has been for a long time.zombie wrote: ↑Sat Nov 16, 2024 12:55 pm what does "abandoned the working class" look like? i want to understand your point of view on it? does it relate to economy or cost of living specifically or does it relate to rhetoric and messaging? does it relate to the art and entertainment produced and developed in the country? is there a solution that doesn't necessitate discrimination or abandonment of some other demographic in the country? or would that be a necessary part of helping the working class back up or appealing to their interests and concerns?
Obama had me convinced he was looking out for everyone but that wasn't the case. He made all the identity stuff worse imo. So Clinton would be the pickzombie wrote: ↑Sat Nov 16, 2024 2:02 pmwhen was the last time you felt looked out for by democrats, then? what is the republican message to the working class?Tiggnutz wrote: ↑Sat Nov 16, 2024 1:45 pmWorking class are concerned about being able to afford to feed their families and if it's safe for their kids to go outside. Are their kids getting a proper education. Democrats said those things are great you are just to stupid to realize it, what you really should care about are pronouns and how evil white people are. Not a messaging problem because that is the message and has been for a long time.zombie wrote: ↑Sat Nov 16, 2024 12:55 pm what does "abandoned the working class" look like? i want to understand your point of view on it? does it relate to economy or cost of living specifically or does it relate to rhetoric and messaging? does it relate to the art and entertainment produced and developed in the country? is there a solution that doesn't necessitate discrimination or abandonment of some other demographic in the country? or would that be a necessary part of helping the working class back up or appealing to their interests and concerns?
I still can't decide who I think was worse between Bush and Obama. Two worst presidents in my lifetime easily. And that was 16 years straight bull shit. LmaoTiggnutz wrote: ↑Sat Nov 16, 2024 2:09 pmObama had me convinced he was looking out for everyone but that wasn't the case. He made all the identity stuff worse imo. So Clinton would be the pickzombie wrote: ↑Sat Nov 16, 2024 2:02 pmwhen was the last time you felt looked out for by democrats, then? what is the republican message to the working class?Tiggnutz wrote: ↑Sat Nov 16, 2024 1:45 pmWorking class are concerned about being able to afford to feed their families and if it's safe for their kids to go outside. Are their kids getting a proper education. Democrats said those things are great you are just to stupid to realize it, what you really should care about are pronouns and how evil white people are. Not a messaging problem because that is the message and has been for a long time.zombie wrote: ↑Sat Nov 16, 2024 12:55 pm what does "abandoned the working class" look like? i want to understand your point of view on it? does it relate to economy or cost of living specifically or does it relate to rhetoric and messaging? does it relate to the art and entertainment produced and developed in the country? is there a solution that doesn't necessitate discrimination or abandonment of some other demographic in the country? or would that be a necessary part of helping the working class back up or appealing to their interests and concerns?
Was this for me?zombie wrote: ↑Sat Nov 16, 2024 12:55 pm what does "abandoned the working class" look like? i want to understand your point of view on it? does it relate to economy or cost of living specifically or does it relate to rhetoric and messaging? does it relate to the art and entertainment produced and developed in the country? is there a solution that doesn't necessitate discrimination or abandonment of some other demographic in the country? or would that be a necessary part of helping the working class back up or appealing to their interests and concerns?
okay. fair. i guess white america was better messaged to under clinton,Tiggnutz wrote: ↑Sat Nov 16, 2024 2:09 pmObama had me convinced he was looking out for everyone but that wasn't the case. He made all the identity stuff worse imo. So Clinton would be the pickzombie wrote: ↑Sat Nov 16, 2024 2:02 pmwhen was the last time you felt looked out for by democrats, then? what is the republican message to the working class?Tiggnutz wrote: ↑Sat Nov 16, 2024 1:45 pmWorking class are concerned about being able to afford to feed their families and if it's safe for their kids to go outside. Are their kids getting a proper education. Democrats said those things are great you are just to stupid to realize it, what you really should care about are pronouns and how evil white people are. Not a messaging problem because that is the message and has been for a long time.zombie wrote: ↑Sat Nov 16, 2024 12:55 pm what does "abandoned the working class" look like? i want to understand your point of view on it? does it relate to economy or cost of living specifically or does it relate to rhetoric and messaging? does it relate to the art and entertainment produced and developed in the country? is there a solution that doesn't necessitate discrimination or abandonment of some other demographic in the country? or would that be a necessary part of helping the working class back up or appealing to their interests and concerns?
Besides the sex controversy stuff Clinton was a great presidentzombie wrote: ↑Sat Nov 16, 2024 2:16 pmokay. fair. i guess white america was better messaged to under clinton,Tiggnutz wrote: ↑Sat Nov 16, 2024 2:09 pmObama had me convinced he was looking out for everyone but that wasn't the case. He made all the identity stuff worse imo. So Clinton would be the pickzombie wrote: ↑Sat Nov 16, 2024 2:02 pmwhen was the last time you felt looked out for by democrats, then? what is the republican message to the working class?Tiggnutz wrote: ↑Sat Nov 16, 2024 1:45 pmWorking class are concerned about being able to afford to feed their families and if it's safe for their kids to go outside. Are their kids getting a proper education. Democrats said those things are great you are just to stupid to realize it, what you really should care about are pronouns and how evil white people are. Not a messaging problem because that is the message and has been for a long time.zombie wrote: ↑Sat Nov 16, 2024 12:55 pm what does "abandoned the working class" look like? i want to understand your point of view on it? does it relate to economy or cost of living specifically or does it relate to rhetoric and messaging? does it relate to the art and entertainment produced and developed in the country? is there a solution that doesn't necessitate discrimination or abandonment of some other demographic in the country? or would that be a necessary part of helping the working class back up or appealing to their interests and concerns?
primarily, yeah but not exclusively.Jason wrote: ↑Sat Nov 16, 2024 2:16 pmWas this for me?zombie wrote: ↑Sat Nov 16, 2024 12:55 pm what does "abandoned the working class" look like? i want to understand your point of view on it? does it relate to economy or cost of living specifically or does it relate to rhetoric and messaging? does it relate to the art and entertainment produced and developed in the country? is there a solution that doesn't necessitate discrimination or abandonment of some other demographic in the country? or would that be a necessary part of helping the working class back up or appealing to their interests and concerns?
The dems shunned blue collar work and promoted their platform on ending important jobs that make the world go around. Oil bad, global climate warming change, blahblahblah
I think both parties are guilty of making an issue out of nothing. They called it global warming and then switched to climate change. The climate is always changing. That's such a blanket statement. Kinda like when Obama came out with that "women earn 77 cents for every dollar a man makes" divisive bullshit. The statistic is based on all women and all men total earnings. Including women who prefer to stay at home. While ignoring that the highest paying jobs are the ones women can't or won't do.zombie wrote: ↑Sat Nov 16, 2024 2:21 pmprimarily, yeah but not exclusively.Jason wrote: ↑Sat Nov 16, 2024 2:16 pmWas this for me?zombie wrote: ↑Sat Nov 16, 2024 12:55 pm what does "abandoned the working class" look like? i want to understand your point of view on it? does it relate to economy or cost of living specifically or does it relate to rhetoric and messaging? does it relate to the art and entertainment produced and developed in the country? is there a solution that doesn't necessitate discrimination or abandonment of some other demographic in the country? or would that be a necessary part of helping the working class back up or appealing to their interests and concerns?
The dems shunned blue collar work and promoted their platform on ending important jobs that make the world go around. Oil bad, global climate warming change, blahblahblah
do you think they overstated the concern for environment and climate or that they made it all up and nothing actually needs to change at all, in that regard?
you've mentioned climate/environment and women's wage discrimination in the workplace as made up issues by democrats. what issues do the republicans make out of nothing?Jason wrote: ↑Sat Nov 16, 2024 2:27 pmI think both parties are guilty of making an issue out of nothing. They called it global warming and then switched to climate change. The climate is always changing. That's such a blanket statement. Kinda like when Obama came out with that "women earn 77 cents for every dollar a man makes" divisive bullshit. The statistic is based on all women and all men total earnings. Including women who prefer to stay at home. While ignoring that the highest paying jobs are the ones women can't or won't do.zombie wrote: ↑Sat Nov 16, 2024 2:21 pmprimarily, yeah but not exclusively.Jason wrote: ↑Sat Nov 16, 2024 2:16 pmWas this for me?zombie wrote: ↑Sat Nov 16, 2024 12:55 pm what does "abandoned the working class" look like? i want to understand your point of view on it? does it relate to economy or cost of living specifically or does it relate to rhetoric and messaging? does it relate to the art and entertainment produced and developed in the country? is there a solution that doesn't necessitate discrimination or abandonment of some other demographic in the country? or would that be a necessary part of helping the working class back up or appealing to their interests and concerns?
The dems shunned blue collar work and promoted their platform on ending important jobs that make the world go around. Oil bad, global climate warming change, blahblahblah
do you think they overstated the concern for environment and climate or that they made it all up and nothing actually needs to change at all, in that regard?
That is interesting because Clinton’s presidency was really the turning point in the Democrats fully throwing the working class overboard. The complete and total victory of neoliberalism.Tiggnutz wrote: ↑Sat Nov 16, 2024 2:09 pmObama had me convinced he was looking out for everyone but that wasn't the case. He made all the identity stuff worse imo. So Clinton would be the pickzombie wrote: ↑Sat Nov 16, 2024 2:02 pmwhen was the last time you felt looked out for by democrats, then? what is the republican message to the working class?Tiggnutz wrote: ↑Sat Nov 16, 2024 1:45 pmWorking class are concerned about being able to afford to feed their families and if it's safe for their kids to go outside. Are their kids getting a proper education. Democrats said those things are great you are just to stupid to realize it, what you really should care about are pronouns and how evil white people are. Not a messaging problem because that is the message and has been for a long time.zombie wrote: ↑Sat Nov 16, 2024 12:55 pm what does "abandoned the working class" look like? i want to understand your point of view on it? does it relate to economy or cost of living specifically or does it relate to rhetoric and messaging? does it relate to the art and entertainment produced and developed in the country? is there a solution that doesn't necessitate discrimination or abandonment of some other demographic in the country? or would that be a necessary part of helping the working class back up or appealing to their interests and concerns?
Really? Not saying you are wrong, I didn't care that much about politics than but I don't remember any of the identity or elitist stuff back thanHeadhunter wrote: ↑Sat Nov 16, 2024 2:57 pmThat is interesting because Clinton’s presidency was really the turning point in the Democrats fully throwing the working class overboard. The complete and total victory of neoliberalism.Tiggnutz wrote: ↑Sat Nov 16, 2024 2:09 pmObama had me convinced he was looking out for everyone but that wasn't the case. He made all the identity stuff worse imo. So Clinton would be the pickzombie wrote: ↑Sat Nov 16, 2024 2:02 pmwhen was the last time you felt looked out for by democrats, then? what is the republican message to the working class?Tiggnutz wrote: ↑Sat Nov 16, 2024 1:45 pmWorking class are concerned about being able to afford to feed their families and if it's safe for their kids to go outside. Are their kids getting a proper education. Democrats said those things are great you are just to stupid to realize it, what you really should care about are pronouns and how evil white people are. Not a messaging problem because that is the message and has been for a long time.zombie wrote: ↑Sat Nov 16, 2024 12:55 pm what does "abandoned the working class" look like? i want to understand your point of view on it? does it relate to economy or cost of living specifically or does it relate to rhetoric and messaging? does it relate to the art and entertainment produced and developed in the country? is there a solution that doesn't necessitate discrimination or abandonment of some other demographic in the country? or would that be a necessary part of helping the working class back up or appealing to their interests and concerns?