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zombie wrote:

Foo wrote:

zombie wrote:if there was making out already and she didn't stop you, it was probably consensual. if you felt hesitation or resistance and you were serious about a relationship with the girl, i would ask her about why she may be uncomfortable.

You didn't read what I asked. I am specifically asking about a situation where the man and woman are making out and her privates are touched without explicit consent.

She can make out willfully and then not consent to being touched in other ways.

i, in fact, did read what you said. "making out already", and then the rest was about the touching.

What, if any, should be the punishment for that form of sexual assault?

Foo wrote: What, if any, should be the punishment for that form of sexual assault?

it's not for me to decide. nor is it for me to decide the punishment for kavanaugh. based on the example you gave, i'm not sure that would be sexual assault though. and i think that if you thought so, maybe talk to the girl. *shrug*

showa58taro wrote:

Reign in Blood wrote:

showa58taro wrote:

Reign in Blood wrote:Fuck it, I'm quitting my job and becoming a janitor in anticipation for the White Man's Burden version of society liberals want. I might be a manager of janitors if I start now.

Or just don’t sexually assault people you have authority over.

I'm a white man with no authority, you want to pin me on a cross no matter what I do.

It’s a good thing it’s your birthday or I’d have to lecture you on your inherent authority by virtue of being white. Go eat some cake.

Do you think I wield lots of power walking around the slums of Baltimore at midnight as a white person?

When I was going to Venezuela, there was a plan in place to hide me because I am white for my own safety. Also certainly did not feel extra power in panama or Curacao. In fact, while waiting for my girlfriend to arrive, I was warned by a kind man about where I was walking and carrying my phone. He said the only reason I probably was not robbed already is because of my size.

zombie wrote:

Foo wrote: What, if any, should be the punishment for that form of sexual assault?

it's not for me to decide. nor is it for me to decide the punishment for kavanaugh. based on the example you gave, i'm not sure that would be sexual assault though. and i think that if you thought so, maybe talk to the girl. *shrug*

Is non consensual touching of the breasts, butt, or vagina not a sexual assault? What if I move my hand to her breast, and she pushes it away, then 20 minutes of more kissing, it is tried again. Assault or nah?

Foo wrote:

zombie wrote:

Foo wrote: What, if any, should be the punishment for that form of sexual assault?

it's not for me to decide. nor is it for me to decide the punishment for kavanaugh. based on the example you gave, i'm not sure that would be sexual assault though. and i think that if you thought so, maybe talk to the girl. *shrug*

Is non consensual touching of the breasts, butt, or vagina not a sexual assault? What if I move my hand to her breast, and she pushes it away, then 20 minutes of more kissing, it is tried again. Assault or nah?

if you think it could be assault, talk to her about it. if she seems resistant or hesitant, talk to her about it. if you think it's non-consensual, talk to her about it. i can't speak to every single example that you could dream up. there is a lot to consider.

Foo wrote:

zombie wrote:

Foo wrote: What, if any, should be the punishment for that form of sexual assault?

it's not for me to decide. nor is it for me to decide the punishment for kavanaugh. based on the example you gave, i'm not sure that would be sexual assault though. and i think that if you thought so, maybe talk to the girl. *shrug*

Is non consensual touching of the breasts, butt, or vagina not a sexual assault? What if I move my hand to her breast, and she pushes it away, then 20 minutes of more kissing, it is tried again. Assault or nah?

According to the mess that accused Aziz Ansari, that is assault. Oral, okay, making out and hanging out totally naked in the apartment with more oral sex, totally fine, try to initiate sex after all that? Sex offender. Don't bother actually saying no, don't want that, only say "let's chill out for a while" and he complies, but never get redressed and continue making out and shit until the water boils again. Eventually leave because you don't wanna go there, and he doesn't stop you from leaving, but the next day accuse him of trying to rape. Yeah, I've read her story (not excepts, her print), and his shock about her point of view about it, thinking they had a good time and couldn't wait to see her again, such bullshit. Now people don't think he should have a career and should be in jail because he expected sex after oral and making out totally naked in his apartment, and has no psychic powers to read her mind that she didn't want to go for a home run but she wouldn't actually vocalize it either.

That's one of the MeToo movement accusations that bugs the shit out of me. It was an awkward date at worst. We really are moving forward to having to have women give vocal clear consent, plus a notary public there to stamp and sign the consent in a full legal form in 8point font on Legal size paper, both sides, and there will still be a clause for women to reserve the right to change their mind, in 4 point type.

Foo wrote:

showa58taro wrote:

Reign in Blood wrote:

showa58taro wrote:

Reign in Blood wrote:Fuck it, I'm quitting my job and becoming a janitor in anticipation for the White Man's Burden version of society liberals want. I might be a manager of janitors if I start now.

Or just don’t sexually assault people you have authority over.

I'm a white man with no authority, you want to pin me on a cross no matter what I do.

It’s a good thing it’s your birthday or I’d have to lecture you on your inherent authority by virtue of being white. Go eat some cake.

Do you think I wield lots of power walking around the slums of Baltimore at midnight as a white person?

When I was going to Venezuela, there was a plan in place to hide me because I am white for my own safety. Also certainly did not feel extra power in panama or Curacao. In fact, while waiting for my girlfriend to arrive, I was warned by a kind man about where I was walking and carrying my phone. He said the only reason I probably was not robbed already is because of my size.

Doesn't even need to be midnight in my neighborhood. When it gets near dark, I don't even go back out anymore on foot.

DancesWithWerewolves wrote:

Foo wrote:

zombie wrote:

Foo wrote: What, if any, should be the punishment for that form of sexual assault?

it's not for me to decide. nor is it for me to decide the punishment for kavanaugh. based on the example you gave, i'm not sure that would be sexual assault though. and i think that if you thought so, maybe talk to the girl. *shrug*

Is non consensual touching of the breasts, butt, or vagina not a sexual assault? What if I move my hand to her breast, and she pushes it away, then 20 minutes of more kissing, it is tried again. Assault or nah?

According to the mess that accused Aziz Ansari, that is assault. Oral, okay, making out and hanging out totally naked in the apartment with more oral sex, totally fine, try to initiate sex after all that? Sex offender. Don't bother actually saying no, don't want that, only say "let's chill out for a while" and he complies, but never get redressed and continue making out and shit until the water boils again. Eventually leave because you don't wanna go there, and he doesn't stop you from leaving, but the next day accuse him of trying to rape. Yeah, I've read her story (not excepts, her print), and his shock about her point of view about it, thinking they had a good time and couldn't wait to see her again, such bullshit. Now people don't think he should have a career and should be in jail because he expected sex after oral and making out totally naked in his apartment, and has no psychic powers to read her mind that she didn't want to go for a home run but she wouldn't actually vocalize it either.

That's one of the MeToo movement accusations that bugs the shit out of me. We really are moving forward to having to have women give vocal clear consent, plus a notary public there to stamp and sign the consent in a full legal form in 8point font on Legal size paper, both sides, and there will still be a clause for women to reserve the right to change their mind, in 4 point type.

how often does it happen that way?

after a quick read through wiki, looks like people are mixed about that. that's the internet.... and also doesn't look like any actual legal action is being taken or even being sought? i haven't read the babe article though.

zombie wrote:

DancesWithWerewolves wrote:

Foo wrote:

zombie wrote:

Foo wrote: What, if any, should be the punishment for that form of sexual assault?

it's not for me to decide. nor is it for me to decide the punishment for kavanaugh. based on the example you gave, i'm not sure that would be sexual assault though. and i think that if you thought so, maybe talk to the girl. *shrug*

Is non consensual touching of the breasts, butt, or vagina not a sexual assault? What if I move my hand to her breast, and she pushes it away, then 20 minutes of more kissing, it is tried again. Assault or nah?

According to the mess that accused Aziz Ansari, that is assault. Oral, okay, making out and hanging out totally naked in the apartment with more oral sex, totally fine, try to initiate sex after all that? Sex offender. Don't bother actually saying no, don't want that, only say "let's chill out for a while" and he complies, but never get redressed and continue making out and shit until the water boils again. Eventually leave because you don't wanna go there, and he doesn't stop you from leaving, but the next day accuse him of trying to rape. Yeah, I've read her story (not excepts, her print), and his shock about her point of view about it, thinking they had a good time and couldn't wait to see her again, such bullshit. Now people don't think he should have a career and should be in jail because he expected sex after oral and making out totally naked in his apartment, and has no psychic powers to read her mind that she didn't want to go for a home run but she wouldn't actually vocalize it either.

That's one of the MeToo movement accusations that bugs the shit out of me. We really are moving forward to having to have women give vocal clear consent, plus a notary public there to stamp and sign the consent in a full legal form in 8point font on Legal size paper, both sides, and there will still be a clause for women to reserve the right to change their mind, in 4 point type.

how often does it happen that way?

after a quick read through wiki, looks like people are mixed about that. that's the internet.... and also doesn't look like any actual legal action is being taken or even being sought? i haven't read the babe article though.

No, nothing legal brought forth because there's nothing, but the story got out there and of course the public lynch mob lumped him with Weinstein and Cosby. But I thought his accusation sounded close to what Foo was talking about.

DancesWithWerewolves wrote:
No, nothing legal brought forth because there's nothing, but the story got out there and of course the public lynch mob lumped him with Weinstein and Cosby. But I thought his accusation sounded close to what Foo was talking about.

the internet jumped on gunn for being at a to catch a predator themed party and making jokes about pedophilia. again, that's the internet for you.

zombie wrote:

DancesWithWerewolves wrote:
No, nothing legal brought forth because there's nothing, but the story got out there and of course the public lynch mob lumped him with Weinstein and Cosby. But I thought his accusation sounded close to what Foo was talking about.

the internet jumped on gunn for being at a to catch a predator themed party and making jokes about pedophilia. again, that's the internet for you.

Yeah, his was crappy too, proof that even after changing your ways for the better (in a general sense, I have no probablem with offensive humor, the guy came from fucking Troma) and previously apologizing/penance, the public lynch mob will be a shitstorm.

zombie wrote:

Foo wrote:

zombie wrote:

Foo wrote: What, if any, should be the punishment for that form of sexual assault?

it's not for me to decide. nor is it for me to decide the punishment for kavanaugh. based on the example you gave, i'm not sure that would be sexual assault though. and i think that if you thought so, maybe talk to the girl. *shrug*

Is non consensual touching of the breasts, butt, or vagina not a sexual assault? What if I move my hand to her breast, and she pushes it away, then 20 minutes of more kissing, it is tried again. Assault or nah?

if you think it could be assault, talk to her about it. if she seems resistant or hesitant, talk to her about it. if you think it's non-consensual, talk to her about it. i can't speak to every single example that you could dream up. there is a lot to consider.

So it now matters what I think? I thought the woman was the sole arbiter of what constituted assault. If she was to later claim that her breasts were groped without consent, which would be 100% correct, what should the penalty be? Is the man now a sex offender?

I am asking you about one example, not every single example.

zombie wrote:

DancesWithWerewolves wrote:
No, nothing legal brought forth because there's nothing, but the story got out there and of course the public lynch mob lumped him with Weinstein and Cosby. But I thought his accusation sounded close to what Foo was talking about.

the internet jumped on gunn for being at a to catch a predator themed party and making jokes about pedophilia. again, that's the internet for you.

Gunn's holier than thou attitude towards others also played into his fate.

Foo wrote:

zombie wrote:

Foo wrote:

zombie wrote:

Foo wrote: What, if any, should be the punishment for that form of sexual assault?

it's not for me to decide. nor is it for me to decide the punishment for kavanaugh. based on the example you gave, i'm not sure that would be sexual assault though. and i think that if you thought so, maybe talk to the girl. *shrug*

Is non consensual touching of the breasts, butt, or vagina not a sexual assault? What if I move my hand to her breast, and she pushes it away, then 20 minutes of more kissing, it is tried again. Assault or nah?

if you think it could be assault, talk to her about it. if she seems resistant or hesitant, talk to her about it. if you think it's non-consensual, talk to her about it. i can't speak to every single example that you could dream up. there is a lot to consider.

So it now matters what I think? I thought the woman was the sole arbiter of what constituted assault. If she was to later claim that her breasts were groped without consent, which would be 100% correct, what should the penalty be? Is the man now a sex offender?

I am asking you about one example, not every single example.

don't put words into my mouth, unless you don't actually want my opinion and my point of view.

i've told you what i think and you are trying to force me into a trap to serve your narrative.

zombie wrote:

Foo wrote:

zombie wrote:

Foo wrote:

zombie wrote:

Foo wrote: What, if any, should be the punishment for that form of sexual assault?

it's not for me to decide. nor is it for me to decide the punishment for kavanaugh. based on the example you gave, i'm not sure that would be sexual assault though. and i think that if you thought so, maybe talk to the girl. *shrug*

Is non consensual touching of the breasts, butt, or vagina not a sexual assault? What if I move my hand to her breast, and she pushes it away, then 20 minutes of more kissing, it is tried again. Assault or nah?

if you think it could be assault, talk to her about it. if she seems resistant or hesitant, talk to her about it. if you think it's non-consensual, talk to her about it. i can't speak to every single example that you could dream up. there is a lot to consider.

So it now matters what I think? I thought the woman was the sole arbiter of what constituted assault. If she was to later claim that her breasts were groped without consent, which would be 100% correct, what should the penalty be? Is the man now a sex offender?

I am asking you about one example, not every single example.

don't put words into my mouth, unless you don't actually want my opinion and my point of view.

i've told you what i think and you are trying to force me into a trap to serve your narrative.

If you do not want people filling in the blanks for you, simply do not leave the blanks.

Foo wrote:

zombie wrote:

DancesWithWerewolves wrote:
No, nothing legal brought forth because there's nothing, but the story got out there and of course the public lynch mob lumped him with Weinstein and Cosby. But I thought his accusation sounded close to what Foo was talking about.

the internet jumped on gunn for being at a to catch a predator themed party and making jokes about pedophilia. again, that's the internet for you.

Gunn's holier than thou attitude towards others also played into his fate.

holier than thou in what way?

if they had not floated the idea that he was a pedophile, would he have been booted by disney? do you really believe that?

Foo wrote:[

If you do not want people filling in the blanks for you, simply do not leave the blanks.

if you ask for my opinion and my viewpoint, simply don't force your own in place of mine.

zombie wrote:

Foo wrote:[

If you do not want people filling in the blanks for you, simply do not leave the blanks.

if you ask for my opinion and my viewpoint, simply don't force your own in place of mine.

It is like an unfinished puzzle. Calls my name.

Foo wrote:

zombie wrote:

Foo wrote:[

If you do not want people filling in the blanks for you, simply do not leave the blanks.

if you ask for my opinion and my viewpoint, simply don't force your own in place of mine.

It is like an unfinished puzzle. Calls my name.

well then just have conversations and debates with yourself. it should be easier that way.

zombie wrote:

Foo wrote:

zombie wrote:

DancesWithWerewolves wrote:
No, nothing legal brought forth because there's nothing, but the story got out there and of course the public lynch mob lumped him with Weinstein and Cosby. But I thought his accusation sounded close to what Foo was talking about.

the internet jumped on gunn for being at a to catch a predator themed party and making jokes about pedophilia. again, that's the internet for you.

Gunn's holier than thou attitude towards others also played into his fate.

holier than thou in what way?

if they had not floated the idea that he was a pedophile, would he have been booted by disney? do you really believe that?

I think he is a toxic person on multiple levels, and does not fit with the Disney culture. His general attitude definitely contributed to his release.

In your statement, who is "they"? Because I believe it was his own words, right?