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Jason wrote: ↑Sat Nov 16, 2024 3:39 pm

zombie wrote: ↑Sat Nov 16, 2024 2:33 pm is there a way to message toward white men and blue collar workers without ignoring or messaging against other demographics?

Stop grouping people into color? When they group people into color it makes everyone racist.

which side does not group people into color? or which candidates if "side" is too broad?

i hope that we can find politicians that don't look to grievances affecting one community or demographic as a way to blame another community or demographic for the grievance to drive a wedge between them with eager support i don't see anyone giving a good answer or solution to that. *shrug*

zombie wrote: ↑Sat Nov 16, 2024 4:25 pm

Jason wrote: ↑Sat Nov 16, 2024 3:39 pm

zombie wrote: ↑Sat Nov 16, 2024 2:33 pm is there a way to message toward white men and blue collar workers without ignoring or messaging against other demographics?

Stop grouping people into color? When they group people into color it makes everyone racist.

which side does not group people into color? or which candidates if "side" is too broad?

Sadly I think group identity is just the nature of politics.

Tiggnutz wrote: ↑Sat Nov 16, 2024 3:04 pm

Headhunter wrote: ↑Sat Nov 16, 2024 2:57 pm

Tiggnutz wrote: ↑Sat Nov 16, 2024 2:09 pmObama had me convinced he was looking out for everyone but that wasn't the case. He made all the identity stuff worse imo. So Clinton would be the pick

That is interesting because Clinton’s presidency was really the turning point in the Democrats fully throwing the working class overboard. The complete and total victory of neoliberalism.

Really? Not saying you are wrong, I didn't care that much about politics than but I don't remember any of the identity or elitist stuff back than

The democrats are just a shit show in every regard.

They required covid vaccination I.D. cards to attend events during the pandemic while also saying it's racist to show your I.D. to vote in elections.

Jason wrote: ↑Sat Nov 16, 2024 10:23 pm

zombie wrote: ↑Sat Nov 16, 2024 4:25 pm

Jason wrote: ↑Sat Nov 16, 2024 3:39 pm

zombie wrote: ↑Sat Nov 16, 2024 2:33 pm is there a way to message toward white men and blue collar workers without ignoring or messaging against other demographics?

Stop grouping people into color? When they group people into color it makes everyone racist.

which side does not group people into color? or which candidates if "side" is too broad?

Sadly I think group identity is just the nature of politics.

then all i can do is push against outgroup politics when i see it. and i see it more in republicans, especially today.

zombie wrote: ↑Sun Nov 17, 2024 8:23 am

Jason wrote: ↑Sat Nov 16, 2024 10:23 pm

zombie wrote: ↑Sat Nov 16, 2024 4:25 pm

Jason wrote: ↑Sat Nov 16, 2024 3:39 pm

zombie wrote: ↑Sat Nov 16, 2024 2:33 pm is there a way to message toward white men and blue collar workers without ignoring or messaging against other demographics?

Stop grouping people into color? When they group people into color it makes everyone racist.

which side does not group people into color? or which candidates if "side" is too broad?

Sadly I think group identity is just the nature of politics.

then all i can do is push against outgroup politics when i see it. and i see it more in republicans, especially today.

I feel like 96% of it is coming from the left, but ok.

Jason wrote: ↑Sun Nov 17, 2024 1:18 pm

zombie wrote: ↑Sun Nov 17, 2024 8:23 am

Jason wrote: ↑Sat Nov 16, 2024 10:23 pm

zombie wrote: ↑Sat Nov 16, 2024 4:25 pm

Jason wrote: ↑Sat Nov 16, 2024 3:39 pm

zombie wrote: ↑Sat Nov 16, 2024 2:33 pm is there a way to message toward white men and blue collar workers without ignoring or messaging against other demographics?

Stop grouping people into color? When they group people into color it makes everyone racist.

which side does not group people into color? or which candidates if "side" is too broad?

Sadly I think group identity is just the nature of politics.

then all i can do is push against outgroup politics when i see it. and i see it more in republicans, especially today.

I feel like 96% of it is coming from the left, but ok.

yeah. ok, indeed.

zombie wrote: ↑Sun Nov 17, 2024 1:20 pm

Jason wrote: ↑Sun Nov 17, 2024 1:18 pm

zombie wrote: ↑Sun Nov 17, 2024 8:23 am

Jason wrote: ↑Sat Nov 16, 2024 10:23 pm

zombie wrote: ↑Sat Nov 16, 2024 4:25 pm

Jason wrote: ↑Sat Nov 16, 2024 3:39 pm

zombie wrote: ↑Sat Nov 16, 2024 2:33 pm is there a way to message toward white men and blue collar workers without ignoring or messaging against other demographics?

Stop grouping people into color? When they group people into color it makes everyone racist.

which side does not group people into color? or which candidates if "side" is too broad?

Sadly I think group identity is just the nature of politics.

then all i can do is push against outgroup politics when i see it. and i see it more in republicans, especially today.

I feel like 96% of it is coming from the left, but ok.

yeah. ok, indeed.

such a good example of political messaging. concern was stated. then it was shut down and blown off. now how do republicans actually listen and bring people over to their side?

Fucking wow.

"Allowing the Ukrainians to use the long-range missiles, known as the Army Tactical Missile Systems, or ATACMS, came in response to Russia’s surprise decision to bring North Korean troops into the fight, officials said."

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/11/17/us/p ... siles.html

next time, just link the source.

Jason wrote: ↑Sun Nov 17, 2024 7:28 pm

Not anymore under Trump, looks like RFK was quite enjoying that double quarter pounder with chee and a large coke and fry on the plane.

elon musk gonna show us why government regulation would be good actually. rfk gonna show us why vaccinations would be good actually.

The world's richest man and the world's most powerful man walk into a bar... what could go wrong?

zombie wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2024 7:56 am "Allowing the Ukrainians to use the long-range missiles, known as the Army Tactical Missile Systems, or ATACMS, came in response to Russia’s surprise decision to bring North Korean troops into the fight, officials said."

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/11/17/us/p ... siles.html

next time, just link the source.

That quote makes no difference. This move just escalated tensions and now Putin is talking about using nuclear weapons. The idea should be to de-escalate tensions?

RFK said everything you need to know in the tweet.

Reign in Blood wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2024 1:05 pm The world's richest man and the world's most powerful man walk into a bar... what could go wrong?

Leave them alone, they're trying to eliminate the predator(s).

zombie wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2024 12:15 pm elon musk gonna show us why government regulation would be good actually. rfk gonna show us why vaccinations would be good actually.

Some regulation is needed, but less is generally for the better.

You think RFK is anti-vaccination?

Jason wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2024 2:12 pm

zombie wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2024 7:56 am "Allowing the Ukrainians to use the long-range missiles, known as the Army Tactical Missile Systems, or ATACMS, came in response to Russia’s surprise decision to bring North Korean troops into the fight, officials said."

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/11/17/us/p ... siles.html

next time, just link the source.

That quote makes no difference. This move just escalated tensions and now Putin is talking about using nuclear weapons. The idea is to de-escalate tensions?

RFK said everything you need to know in the tweet.

yeah, russia broke into ukraine's house. the cops should stay away. i got it. rfk also wanted to imply that it was all to cause trump more trouble.

zombie wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2024 2:17 pm

Jason wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2024 2:12 pm

zombie wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2024 7:56 am "Allowing the Ukrainians to use the long-range missiles, known as the Army Tactical Missile Systems, or ATACMS, came in response to Russia’s surprise decision to bring North Korean troops into the fight, officials said."

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/11/17/us/p ... siles.html

next time, just link the source.

That quote makes no difference. This move just escalated tensions and now Putin is talking about using nuclear weapons. The idea is to de-escalate tensions?

RFK said everything you need to know in the tweet.

yeah, russia broke into ukraine's house. the cops should stay away. i got it. rfk also wanted to imply that it was all to cause trump more trouble.

It is. They're doing everything they can to undermine Trump's next term.

You think America should police the world? lol.

Jason wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2024 2:16 pm

zombie wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2024 12:15 pm elon musk gonna show us why government regulation would be good actually. rfk gonna show us why vaccinations would be good actually.

Some regulation is needed, but less is generally for the better.

You think RFK is anti-vaccination?

anti-vaccine or anti-vaccination, yeah. tell me how i'm wrong?