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Jason wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2024 2:20 pm

zombie wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2024 2:17 pm

Jason wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2024 2:12 pm

zombie wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2024 7:56 am "Allowing the Ukrainians to use the long-range missiles, known as the Army Tactical Missile Systems, or ATACMS, came in response to Russia’s surprise decision to bring North Korean troops into the fight, officials said."

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/11/17/us/p ... siles.html

next time, just link the source.

That quote makes no difference. This move just escalated tensions and now Putin is talking about using nuclear weapons. The idea is to de-escalate tensions?

RFK said everything you need to know in the tweet.

yeah, russia broke into ukraine's house. the cops should stay away. i got it. rfk also wanted to imply that it was all to cause trump more trouble.

It is. They're doing everything they can to undermine Trump's next term.

You think America should police the world? lol.

zombie wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2024 2:21 pm

Jason wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2024 2:16 pm

zombie wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2024 12:15 pm elon musk gonna show us why government regulation would be good actually. rfk gonna show us why vaccinations would be good actually.

Some regulation is needed, but less is generally for the better.

You think RFK is anti-vaccination?

anti-vaccine or anti-vaccination, yeah. tell me how i'm wrong?

Jason wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2024 2:25 pm

zombie wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2024 2:21 pm

Jason wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2024 2:16 pm

zombie wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2024 12:15 pm elon musk gonna show us why government regulation would be good actually. rfk gonna show us why vaccinations would be good actually.

Some regulation is needed, but less is generally for the better.

You think RFK is anti-vaccination?

anti-vaccine or anti-vaccination, yeah. tell me how i'm wrong?

Well, he has gotten many vaccines in his life and so has his immediate family. If you listen to what he, himself, is actually saying and not what the media puts into his mouth, it's pretty crystal clear that he simply wants vaccines subjected to the same scientific rigor as all the other medications that the FDA brings to the market so people can be fully informed of their choices and the studies that went on with the vaccines they may or may not get.

zombie wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2024 2:24 pmno. we should let the aggressor step on whoever they want to.

zombie wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2024 2:29 pm

Jason wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2024 2:25 pm

zombie wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2024 2:21 pm

Jason wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2024 2:16 pm

zombie wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2024 12:15 pm elon musk gonna show us why government regulation would be good actually. rfk gonna show us why vaccinations would be good actually.

Some regulation is needed, but less is generally for the better.

You think RFK is anti-vaccination?

anti-vaccine or anti-vaccination, yeah. tell me how i'm wrong?

Well, he has gotten many vaccines in his life and so has his immediate family. If you listen to what he, himself, is actually saying and not what the media puts into his mouth, it's pretty crystal clear that he simply wants vaccines subjected to the same scientific rigor as all the other medications that the FDA brings to the market so people can be fully informed of their choices and the studies that went on with the vaccines they may or may not get.

i am a sheeple that can't read or think for myself. that's true. i'll close my eyes to jason's truth. tell me more, mr. big media!

Jason wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2024 2:33 pm

zombie wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2024 2:24 pmno. we should let the aggressor step on whoever they want to.

Ukraine is not some unicorn fairy tale land of innocence. They are also very corrupt and bringing in and arming a country with state-of-the-art ballistic missiles as opposed to even attempting to ease tensions is less than ideal. Gatilov himself stated after Trump was elected that peace talks are more than welcome. So instead of trying to ease tensions, the current administration decided to jump in and make it worse.

Jason wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2024 2:35 pm

zombie wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2024 2:29 pm

Jason wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2024 2:25 pm

zombie wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2024 2:21 pm

Jason wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2024 2:16 pm

zombie wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2024 12:15 pm elon musk gonna show us why government regulation would be good actually. rfk gonna show us why vaccinations would be good actually.

Some regulation is needed, but less is generally for the better.

You think RFK is anti-vaccination?

anti-vaccine or anti-vaccination, yeah. tell me how i'm wrong?

Well, he has gotten many vaccines in his life and so has his immediate family. If you listen to what he, himself, is actually saying and not what the media puts into his mouth, it's pretty crystal clear that he simply wants vaccines subjected to the same scientific rigor as all the other medications that the FDA brings to the market so people can be fully informed of their choices and the studies that went on with the vaccines they may or may not get.

i am a sheeple that can't read or think for myself. that's true. i'll close my eyes to jason's truth. tell me more, mr. big media!

There is no Jason's truth. Just the truth. And I never told you that you aren't capable of thinking for yourself. But if you're of the opinion that RFK is anti-vaccination, then you definitely haven't listened to what he is actually proposing.

zombie wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2024 2:40 pm

Jason wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2024 2:33 pm

zombie wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2024 2:24 pmno. we should let the aggressor step on whoever they want to.

Ukraine is not some unicorn fairy tale land of innocence. They are also very corrupt and bringing in and arming a country with state-of-the-art ballistic missiles as opposed to even attempting to ease tensions is less than ideal. Gatilov himself stated after Trump was elected that peace talks are more than welcome. So instead of trying to ease tensions, the current administration decided to jump in and make it worse.

no one is a fairy unicorn fantasy or whatever crap. trump won. he'll do what he wants to do. i don't like it and i'm going to share my valid concerns. biden has also backed the aggressor elsewhere. so neither is guiltless in that regard.

zombie wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2024 2:43 pm

Jason wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2024 2:35 pm

zombie wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2024 2:29 pm

Jason wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2024 2:25 pm

zombie wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2024 2:21 pm

Jason wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2024 2:16 pm

zombie wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2024 12:15 pm elon musk gonna show us why government regulation would be good actually. rfk gonna show us why vaccinations would be good actually.

Some regulation is needed, but less is generally for the better.

You think RFK is anti-vaccination?

anti-vaccine or anti-vaccination, yeah. tell me how i'm wrong?

Well, he has gotten many vaccines in his life and so has his immediate family. If you listen to what he, himself, is actually saying and not what the media puts into his mouth, it's pretty crystal clear that he simply wants vaccines subjected to the same scientific rigor as all the other medications that the FDA brings to the market so people can be fully informed of their choices and the studies that went on with the vaccines they may or may not get.

i am a sheeple that can't read or think for myself. that's true. i'll close my eyes to jason's truth. tell me more, mr. big media!

There is no Jason's truth. Just the truth. And I never told you that you aren't capable of thinking for yourself. But if you're of the opinion that RFK is anti-vaccination, then you definitely haven't listened to what he is actually proposing.

okay. fair. i know where you're coming from at least.

Jason wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2024 2:46 pm
Trump is the only "politician" who actually talks about not wanting things to escalate. Every move from the Biden administration since February 2022 has been giving Ukraine money, giving Ukraine weapons, whereas Trump is the only politician in our lifetime to not get us involved in any new wars, yet, here we are, and the media and the democrats are totally clueless and/or corrupt as all hell.

Actual quote
CNN Reporter: Do you want Russia or Ukraine to win the war?
Donald Trump: I want everyone to stop dying. Russians and Ukrainians. I want them to stop dying.

You won't hear that from any democrat or unipartyist.

Jason wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2024 2:48 pm

zombie wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2024 2:43 pm

Jason wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2024 2:35 pm

zombie wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2024 2:29 pm

Jason wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2024 2:25 pm

zombie wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2024 2:21 pm

Jason wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2024 2:16 pm

zombie wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2024 12:15 pm elon musk gonna show us why government regulation would be good actually. rfk gonna show us why vaccinations would be good actually.

Some regulation is needed, but less is generally for the better.

You think RFK is anti-vaccination?

anti-vaccine or anti-vaccination, yeah. tell me how i'm wrong?

Well, he has gotten many vaccines in his life and so has his immediate family. If you listen to what he, himself, is actually saying and not what the media puts into his mouth, it's pretty crystal clear that he simply wants vaccines subjected to the same scientific rigor as all the other medications that the FDA brings to the market so people can be fully informed of their choices and the studies that went on with the vaccines they may or may not get.

i am a sheeple that can't read or think for myself. that's true. i'll close my eyes to jason's truth. tell me more, mr. big media!

There is no Jason's truth. Just the truth. And I never told you that you aren't capable of thinking for yourself. But if you're of the opinion that RFK is anti-vaccination, then you definitely haven't listened to what he is actually proposing.

okay. fair. i know where you're coming from at least.

Nobody can gauge the tone of a discussion from the internet, but none of that was meant to imply anything negative toward you.

zombie wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2024 2:54 pm

Jason wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2024 2:48 pm

zombie wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2024 2:43 pm

Jason wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2024 2:35 pm

zombie wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2024 2:29 pm

Jason wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2024 2:25 pm

zombie wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2024 2:21 pm

Jason wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2024 2:16 pm

zombie wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2024 12:15 pm elon musk gonna show us why government regulation would be good actually. rfk gonna show us why vaccinations would be good actually.

Some regulation is needed, but less is generally for the better.

You think RFK is anti-vaccination?

anti-vaccine or anti-vaccination, yeah. tell me how i'm wrong?

Well, he has gotten many vaccines in his life and so has his immediate family. If you listen to what he, himself, is actually saying and not what the media puts into his mouth, it's pretty crystal clear that he simply wants vaccines subjected to the same scientific rigor as all the other medications that the FDA brings to the market so people can be fully informed of their choices and the studies that went on with the vaccines they may or may not get.

i am a sheeple that can't read or think for myself. that's true. i'll close my eyes to jason's truth. tell me more, mr. big media!

There is no Jason's truth. Just the truth. And I never told you that you aren't capable of thinking for yourself. But if you're of the opinion that RFK is anti-vaccination, then you definitely haven't listened to what he is actually proposing.

okay. fair. i know where you're coming from at least.

Nobody can gauge the tone of a discussion from the internet, but none of that was meant to imply anything negative toward you.

what was it meant to imply?

zombie wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2024 2:53 pm

Jason wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2024 2:46 pm
Trump is the only "politician" who actually talks about not wanting things to escalate. Every move from the Biden administration since February 2022 has been giving Ukraine money, giving Ukraine weapons, whereas Trump is the only politician in our lifetime to not get us involved in any new wars, yet, here we are, and the media and the democrats are totally clueless and/or corrupt as all hell.

Actual quote
CNN Reporter: Do you want Russia or Ukraine to win the war?
Donald Trump: I want everyone to stop dying. Russians and Ukrainians. I want them to stop dying.

You won't hear that from any democrat or unipartyist.

i get that he wants ukraine to stop resisting so that russia will stop attacking them. maybe they should give up and become part of russia.

Jason wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2024 3:02 pm

zombie wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2024 2:54 pm

Jason wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2024 2:48 pm

zombie wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2024 2:43 pm

Jason wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2024 2:35 pm

zombie wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2024 2:29 pm

Jason wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2024 2:25 pm

zombie wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2024 2:21 pm

Jason wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2024 2:16 pm

zombie wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2024 12:15 pm elon musk gonna show us why government regulation would be good actually. rfk gonna show us why vaccinations would be good actually.

Some regulation is needed, but less is generally for the better.

You think RFK is anti-vaccination?

anti-vaccine or anti-vaccination, yeah. tell me how i'm wrong?

Well, he has gotten many vaccines in his life and so has his immediate family. If you listen to what he, himself, is actually saying and not what the media puts into his mouth, it's pretty crystal clear that he simply wants vaccines subjected to the same scientific rigor as all the other medications that the FDA brings to the market so people can be fully informed of their choices and the studies that went on with the vaccines they may or may not get.

i am a sheeple that can't read or think for myself. that's true. i'll close my eyes to jason's truth. tell me more, mr. big media!

There is no Jason's truth. Just the truth. And I never told you that you aren't capable of thinking for yourself. But if you're of the opinion that RFK is anti-vaccination, then you definitely haven't listened to what he is actually proposing.

okay. fair. i know where you're coming from at least.

Nobody can gauge the tone of a discussion from the internet, but none of that was meant to imply anything negative toward you.

what was it meant to imply?

"If you" was meant to be "If we" or "If everyone" listened to the words from the actual person as opposed to the media spin...

Jason wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2024 3:03 pm

zombie wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2024 2:53 pm

Jason wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2024 2:46 pm
Trump is the only "politician" who actually talks about not wanting things to escalate. Every move from the Biden administration since February 2022 has been giving Ukraine money, giving Ukraine weapons, whereas Trump is the only politician in our lifetime to not get us involved in any new wars, yet, here we are, and the media and the democrats are totally clueless and/or corrupt as all hell.

Actual quote
CNN Reporter: Do you want Russia or Ukraine to win the war?
Donald Trump: I want everyone to stop dying. Russians and Ukrainians. I want them to stop dying.

You won't hear that from any democrat or unipartyist.

i get that he wants ukraine to stop resisting so that russia will stop attacking them. maybe they should give up and become part of russia.

I don't see it that way at all. Trump is mainly talking with Putin and has detailed a little bit of the conversations that he's had with him. He talks more with Putin than he does with Zelensky, and to be knowledge, he never suggested Ukraine to stop resisting. His whole thing seems to be to get everyone to stop pointing the weapons so we can talk like grown ups. IMO...

zombie wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2024 3:04 pm

Jason wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2024 3:02 pm

zombie wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2024 2:54 pm

Jason wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2024 2:48 pm

zombie wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2024 2:43 pm

Jason wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2024 2:35 pm

zombie wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2024 2:29 pm

Jason wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2024 2:25 pm

zombie wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2024 2:21 pm

Jason wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2024 2:16 pm

zombie wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2024 12:15 pm elon musk gonna show us why government regulation would be good actually. rfk gonna show us why vaccinations would be good actually.

Some regulation is needed, but less is generally for the better.

You think RFK is anti-vaccination?

anti-vaccine or anti-vaccination, yeah. tell me how i'm wrong?

Well, he has gotten many vaccines in his life and so has his immediate family. If you listen to what he, himself, is actually saying and not what the media puts into his mouth, it's pretty crystal clear that he simply wants vaccines subjected to the same scientific rigor as all the other medications that the FDA brings to the market so people can be fully informed of their choices and the studies that went on with the vaccines they may or may not get.

i am a sheeple that can't read or think for myself. that's true. i'll close my eyes to jason's truth. tell me more, mr. big media!

There is no Jason's truth. Just the truth. And I never told you that you aren't capable of thinking for yourself. But if you're of the opinion that RFK is anti-vaccination, then you definitely haven't listened to what he is actually proposing.

okay. fair. i know where you're coming from at least.

Nobody can gauge the tone of a discussion from the internet, but none of that was meant to imply anything negative toward you.

what was it meant to imply?

"If you" was meant to be "If we" or "If everyone" listened to the words from the actual person as opposed to the media spin...

do you take joe biden at his word alone? is there more that can influence your point of view beyond what a figure has spoken to reach the truth from your perspective?

zombie wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2024 3:07 pm

Jason wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2024 3:03 pm

zombie wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2024 2:53 pm

Jason wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2024 2:46 pm
Trump is the only "politician" who actually talks about not wanting things to escalate. Every move from the Biden administration since February 2022 has been giving Ukraine money, giving Ukraine weapons, whereas Trump is the only politician in our lifetime to not get us involved in any new wars, yet, here we are, and the media and the democrats are totally clueless and/or corrupt as all hell.

Actual quote
CNN Reporter: Do you want Russia or Ukraine to win the war?
Donald Trump: I want everyone to stop dying. Russians and Ukrainians. I want them to stop dying.

You won't hear that from any democrat or unipartyist.

i get that he wants ukraine to stop resisting so that russia will stop attacking them. maybe they should give up and become part of russia.

I don't see it that way at all. Trump is mainly talking with Putin and has detailed a little bit of the conversations that he's had with him. He talks more with Putin than he does with Zelensky, and to be knowledge, he never suggested Ukraine to stop resisting. His whole thing seems to be to get everyone to stop pointing the weapons so we can talk like grown ups. IMO...

if putin backs away from ukraine without taking at least a sizable portion as part of russia, i will be very surprised. if trump has some hand in that outcome, it will be an accomplishment to be thankful for.

Jason wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2024 3:26 pm

zombie wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2024 3:04 pm

Jason wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2024 3:02 pm

zombie wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2024 2:54 pm

Jason wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2024 2:48 pm

zombie wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2024 2:43 pm

Jason wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2024 2:35 pm

zombie wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2024 2:29 pm

Jason wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2024 2:25 pm

zombie wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2024 2:21 pm

Jason wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2024 2:16 pm

zombie wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2024 12:15 pm elon musk gonna show us why government regulation would be good actually. rfk gonna show us why vaccinations would be good actually.

Some regulation is needed, but less is generally for the better.

You think RFK is anti-vaccination?

anti-vaccine or anti-vaccination, yeah. tell me how i'm wrong?

Well, he has gotten many vaccines in his life and so has his immediate family. If you listen to what he, himself, is actually saying and not what the media puts into his mouth, it's pretty crystal clear that he simply wants vaccines subjected to the same scientific rigor as all the other medications that the FDA brings to the market so people can be fully informed of their choices and the studies that went on with the vaccines they may or may not get.

i am a sheeple that can't read or think for myself. that's true. i'll close my eyes to jason's truth. tell me more, mr. big media!

There is no Jason's truth. Just the truth. And I never told you that you aren't capable of thinking for yourself. But if you're of the opinion that RFK is anti-vaccination, then you definitely haven't listened to what he is actually proposing.

okay. fair. i know where you're coming from at least.

Nobody can gauge the tone of a discussion from the internet, but none of that was meant to imply anything negative toward you.

what was it meant to imply?

"If you" was meant to be "If we" or "If everyone" listened to the words from the actual person as opposed to the media spin...

do you take joe biden at his word alone? is there more that can influence your point of view beyond what a figure has spoken to reach the truth from your perspective?

Joe Biden is on record lying, flip-flopping and shifting with the political winds for 50 years, so there is really nothing he can say at this point that will make me trust him. If he tells me his favorite ice cream flavor is strawberry I still might not fully believe him.

But also, he has the mainstream media backing him, so they will spin things he says to try to generate more favorability. Such as a couple weeks ago when Biden said "The only garbage I see floating out there is Trump's supporters", then he and the media focused on backtracking and saying he only referred to a comedian who happens to be a Trump supporter as garbage. lol.

Not that I care either way if he meant it or not, that's just a recent example of the spin cycle.

Jason wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2024 3:29 pm

zombie wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2024 3:07 pm

Jason wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2024 3:03 pm

zombie wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2024 2:53 pm

Jason wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2024 2:46 pm
Trump is the only "politician" who actually talks about not wanting things to escalate. Every move from the Biden administration since February 2022 has been giving Ukraine money, giving Ukraine weapons, whereas Trump is the only politician in our lifetime to not get us involved in any new wars, yet, here we are, and the media and the democrats are totally clueless and/or corrupt as all hell.

Actual quote
CNN Reporter: Do you want Russia or Ukraine to win the war?
Donald Trump: I want everyone to stop dying. Russians and Ukrainians. I want them to stop dying.

You won't hear that from any democrat or unipartyist.

i get that he wants ukraine to stop resisting so that russia will stop attacking them. maybe they should give up and become part of russia.

I don't see it that way at all. Trump is mainly talking with Putin and has detailed a little bit of the conversations that he's had with him. He talks more with Putin than he does with Zelensky, and to be knowledge, he never suggested Ukraine to stop resisting. His whole thing seems to be to get everyone to stop pointing the weapons so we can talk like grown ups. IMO...

if putin backs away from ukraine without taking at least a sizable portion as part of russia, i will be very surprised. if trump has some hand in that outcome, it will be an accomplishment to be thankful for.

It's just been made remarkably more difficult with the escalation, but yeah, that would be nice. We shall see. Hopefully there aren't plumes of nuclear smoke on the horizon.

zombie wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2024 3:32 pm i guess biden was a bad example. i'll try to not listen to any media and only to what the public figure says and hang on their word alone. no i won't. that's a sdilly thing to do.