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Re: Trumpster Fire 2025
Posted: Mon Nov 18, 2024 3:39 pm
by Reign in Blood
zombie wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2024 3:04 pm
Jason wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2024 3:02 pm
zombie wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2024 2:54 pm
Jason wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2024 2:48 pm
zombie wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2024 2:43 pm
Jason wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2024 2:35 pm
zombie wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2024 2:29 pm
Jason wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2024 2:25 pm
zombie wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2024 2:21 pm
Jason wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2024 2:16 pm
zombie wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2024 12:15 pm
elon musk gonna show us why government regulation would be good actually. rfk gonna show us why vaccinations would be good actually.
Some regulation is needed, but less is generally for the better.
You think RFK is anti-vaccination?
anti-vaccine or anti-vaccination, yeah. tell me how i'm wrong?
Well, he has gotten many vaccines in his life and so has his immediate family. If you listen to what he, himself, is actually saying and not what the media puts into his mouth, it's pretty crystal clear that he simply wants vaccines subjected to the same scientific rigor as all the other medications that the FDA brings to the market so people can be fully informed of their choices and the studies that went on with the vaccines they may or may not get.
i am a sheeple that can't read or think for myself. that's true. i'll close my eyes to jason's truth. tell me more, mr. big media!
There is no Jason's truth. Just
the truth. And I never told you that you aren't capable of thinking for yourself. But if you're of the opinion that RFK is anti-vaccination, then you definitely haven't listened to what he is actually proposing.
okay. fair. i know where you're coming from at least.
Nobody can gauge the tone of a discussion from the internet, but none of that was meant to imply anything negative toward you.
what was it meant to imply?
"If you" was meant to be "If we" or "If everyone" listened to the words from the actual person as opposed to the media spin...
do you take joe biden at his word alone? is there more that can influence your point of view beyond what a figure has spoken to reach the truth from your perspective?
Absolutely. Problem is he can seldomly string together a coherent sentence.
Re: Trumpster Fire 2025
Posted: Mon Nov 18, 2024 3:40 pm
by zombie
Jason wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2024 3:36 pm
zombie wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2024 3:32 pm
i guess biden was a bad example. i'll try to not listen to any media and only to what the public figure says and hang on their word alone. no i won't. that's a sdilly thing to do.
If priority number one is pursuing and deciphering the truth, then all we can do is make sure we're honest with ourselves and using our best judgment before figuring out what to believe.
don't do that crap!
you don't have to be sanctimonious to me. if you think i'm wrong, tell me! just do it in a way that isn't dismissive or insulting to me. i can take being told i'm wrong. i can't take being told in a smug or condescending way that i'm wrong.
Re: Trumpster Fire 2025
Posted: Mon Nov 18, 2024 3:41 pm
by Jason
zombie wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2024 3:40 pm
Jason wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2024 3:36 pm
zombie wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2024 3:32 pm
i guess biden was a bad example. i'll try to not listen to any media and only to what the public figure says and hang on their word alone. no i won't. that's a sdilly thing to do.
If priority number one is pursuing and deciphering the truth, then all we can do is make sure we're honest with ourselves and using our best judgment before figuring out what to believe.
don't do that crap!
you don't have to be sanctimonious to me. if you think i'm wrong, tell me! just do it in a way that isn't dismissive or insulting to me. i can take being told i'm wrong. i can't take being told in a smug or condescending way that i'm wrong.
I don't know if you're wrong about RFK, I just think you are most likely wrong.
Re: Trumpster Fire 2025
Posted: Mon Nov 18, 2024 3:59 pm
by Reign in Blood
Pretty wrong about RFK.
Re: Trumpster Fire 2025
Posted: Mon Nov 18, 2024 4:16 pm
by zombie
Jason wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2024 3:41 pm
zombie wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2024 3:40 pm
Jason wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2024 3:36 pm
zombie wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2024 3:32 pm
i guess biden was a bad example. i'll try to not listen to any media and only to what the public figure says and hang on their word alone. no i won't. that's a sdilly thing to do.
If priority number one is pursuing and deciphering the truth, then all we can do is make sure we're honest with ourselves and using our best judgment before figuring out what to believe.
don't do that crap!
you don't have to be sanctimonious to me. if you think i'm wrong, tell me! just do it in a way that isn't dismissive or insulting to me. i can take being told i'm wrong. i can't take being told in a smug or condescending way that i'm wrong.
I don't know if you're wrong about RFK, I just think you are most likely wrong.
give me a summation of what you think his position is? and do you see any reason to have valid concerns or criticisms toward him?
Re: Trumpster Fire 2025
Posted: Mon Nov 18, 2024 4:23 pm
by zombie
maybe so. his heart could be in the right place when it comes to his vaccine hesitancy. but good intentions can also pave the path to hell.
Re: Trumpster Fire 2025
Posted: Mon Nov 18, 2024 4:49 pm
by zombie
Jason wrote: ↑Wed Nov 08, 2023 7:00 pm
Headhunter wrote: ↑Wed Nov 08, 2023 6:57 pm
While I can appreciate “the CIA killed my dad and brother” as a political talking point, I don’t trust the RFK campaign. I think he is being manipulated by some snakes.
I get the vibe from listening to him on podcasts that he is susceptible to being manipulated.
do you still feel that way?
Re: Trumpster Fire 2025
Posted: Mon Nov 18, 2024 7:40 pm
by Reign in Blood
zombie wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2024 4:49 pm
Jason wrote: ↑Wed Nov 08, 2023 7:00 pm
Headhunter wrote: ↑Wed Nov 08, 2023 6:57 pm
While I can appreciate “the CIA killed my dad and brother” as a political talking point, I don’t trust the RFK campaign. I think he is being manipulated by some snakes.
I get the vibe from listening to him on podcasts that he is susceptible to being manipulated.
do you still feel that way?
He went for the double cheese, no diet coke bullshit, oh hell yes he can.
Re: Trumpster Fire 2025
Posted: Tue Nov 19, 2024 1:26 am
by Jason
zombie wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2024 4:16 pm
Jason wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2024 3:41 pm
zombie wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2024 3:40 pm
Jason wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2024 3:36 pm
zombie wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2024 3:32 pm
i guess biden was a bad example. i'll try to not listen to any media and only to what the public figure says and hang on their word alone. no i won't. that's a sdilly thing to do.
If priority number one is pursuing and deciphering the truth, then all we can do is make sure we're honest with ourselves and using our best judgment before figuring out what to believe.
don't do that crap!
you don't have to be sanctimonious to me. if you think i'm wrong, tell me! just do it in a way that isn't dismissive or insulting to me. i can take being told i'm wrong. i can't take being told in a smug or condescending way that i'm wrong.
I don't know if you're wrong about RFK, I just think you are most likely wrong.
give me a summation of what you think his position is? and do you see any reason to have valid concerns or criticisms toward him?
I don't love his environmental position, so there's that as far as a valid criticism as far as my concern is personally.
As far as his position in the Trump cabinet he's mainly trying to get the ultra processed ingredients out of our food. The obesity epidemic in the U.S. coincided with ultra processed foods and the increase in ingredients consisting of a lot of unnecessary and unhealthy bull shit. I'm not an expert but I am interested in the stuff and do a lot of my own research and it really seems to match the conclusions that I come up with personally. So I would say I fully trust him on the health food front.
As far as vaccines he found that there was a dramatic increase in autism that he traced to vaccines from 1989. I'd have to find where he talked about this because it's not fully fresh in my head but it's something close to that.
Re: Trumpster Fire 2025
Posted: Tue Nov 19, 2024 1:29 am
by Jason
zombie wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2024 4:49 pm
Jason wrote: ↑Wed Nov 08, 2023 7:00 pm
Headhunter wrote: ↑Wed Nov 08, 2023 6:57 pm
While I can appreciate “the CIA killed my dad and brother” as a political talking point, I don’t trust the RFK campaign. I think he is being manipulated by some snakes.
I get the vibe from listening to him on podcasts that he is susceptible to being manipulated.
do you still feel that way?
Yes. And to clarify, I mean by the party that he is supporting, not the podcast host. lol. and now that he switched to the republican party, it still applies. It's more of a testament to his personality at heart. He seems to be a very open guy and will let you in. That's not to say I think he is, or will be, manipulated. But his openness and honesty makes him susceptible.
Re: Trumpster Fire 2025
Posted: Tue Nov 19, 2024 7:43 am
by zombie
Jason wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2024 1:26 am
zombie wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2024 4:16 pm
Jason wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2024 3:41 pm
zombie wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2024 3:40 pm
Jason wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2024 3:36 pm
zombie wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2024 3:32 pm
i guess biden was a bad example. i'll try to not listen to any media and only to what the public figure says and hang on their word alone. no i won't. that's a sdilly thing to do.
If priority number one is pursuing and deciphering the truth, then all we can do is make sure we're honest with ourselves and using our best judgment before figuring out what to believe.
don't do that crap!
you don't have to be sanctimonious to me. if you think i'm wrong, tell me! just do it in a way that isn't dismissive or insulting to me. i can take being told i'm wrong. i can't take being told in a smug or condescending way that i'm wrong.
I don't know if you're wrong about RFK, I just think you are most likely wrong.
give me a summation of what you think his position is? and do you see any reason to have valid concerns or criticisms toward him?
I don't love his environmental position, so there's that as far as a valid criticism as far as my concern is personally.
As far as his position in the Trump cabinet he's mainly trying to get the ultra processed ingredients out of our food. The obesity epidemic in the U.S. coincided with ultra processed foods and the increase in ingredients consisting of a lot of unnecessary and unhealthy bull shit. I'm not an expert but I am interested in the stuff and do a lot of my own research and it really seems to match the conclusions that I come up with personally. So I would say I fully trust him on the health food front.
As far as vaccines he found that there was a dramatic increase in autism that he traced to vaccines from 1989. I'd have to find where he talked about this because it's not fully fresh in my head but it's something close to that.
he probably talked about it on several places. but i know he did on rogan. i can hear it and still be skeptical. he can have a skepticism and start from a good place and the outcome still could be horrible. let's hope it's not, i guess.
Re: Trumpster Fire 2025
Posted: Tue Nov 19, 2024 8:38 am
by Lazerus
zombie wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2024 4:23 pm
maybe so. his heart could be in the right place when it comes to his vaccine hesitancy. but good intentions can also pave the path to hell.
I have been given vaccines over the years, including the Flu and Covid ones and never had any problems.
Re: Trumpster Fire 2025
Posted: Tue Nov 19, 2024 9:27 am
by zombie
Lazerus wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2024 8:38 am
zombie wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2024 4:23 pm
maybe so. his heart could be in the right place when it comes to his vaccine hesitancy. but good intentions can also pave the path to hell.
I have been given vaccines over the years, including the Flu and Covid ones and never had any problems.
yeah, rfk reportedly has taken vaccines too. and he photo op-ed support of fastfood that he believes to be unhealthy as it is currently. he is more than willing to say one thing and do another.
Re: Trumpster Fire 2025
Posted: Tue Nov 19, 2024 9:33 am
by Tiggnutz
zombie wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2024 9:27 am
Lazerus wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2024 8:38 am
zombie wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2024 4:23 pm
maybe so. his heart could be in the right place when it comes to his vaccine hesitancy. but good intentions can also pave the path to hell.
I have been given vaccines over the years, including the Flu and Covid ones and never had any problems.
yeah, rfk reportedly has taken vaccines too. and he photo op-ed support of fastfood that he believes to be unhealthy as it is currently. he is more than willing to say one thing and do another.
He never said he didn't take vaccines, he wants to know why they are not tested to the same standard as other medications.
Re: Trumpster Fire 2025
Posted: Tue Nov 19, 2024 9:36 am
by zombie
Tiggnutz wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2024 9:33 am
zombie wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2024 9:27 am
Lazerus wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2024 8:38 am
zombie wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2024 4:23 pm
maybe so. his heart could be in the right place when it comes to his vaccine hesitancy. but good intentions can also pave the path to hell.
I have been given vaccines over the years, including the Flu and Covid ones and never had any problems.
yeah, rfk reportedly has taken vaccines too. and he photo op-ed support of fastfood that he believes to be unhealthy as it is currently. he is more than willing to say one thing and do another.
He never said he didn't take vaccines, he wants to know why they are not tested to the same standard as other medications.
asking questions alone is not what he was brought into trump's cabinet to do. nor does this disprove my previous statement.
Re: Trumpster Fire 2025
Posted: Tue Nov 19, 2024 9:41 am
by Tiggnutz
zombie wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2024 9:36 am
Tiggnutz wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2024 9:33 am
zombie wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2024 9:27 am
Lazerus wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2024 8:38 am
zombie wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2024 4:23 pm
maybe so. his heart could be in the right place when it comes to his vaccine hesitancy. but good intentions can also pave the path to hell.
I have been given vaccines over the years, including the Flu and Covid ones and never had any problems.
yeah, rfk reportedly has taken vaccines too. and he photo op-ed support of fastfood that he believes to be unhealthy as it is currently. he is more than willing to say one thing and do another.
He never said he didn't take vaccines, he wants to know why they are not tested to the same standard as other medications.
asking questions alone is not what he was brought into trump's cabinet to do.
Sounds like a good thing to me
Re: Trumpster Fire 2025
Posted: Tue Nov 19, 2024 9:46 am
by zombie
Tiggnutz wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2024 9:41 am
zombie wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2024 9:36 am
Tiggnutz wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2024 9:33 am
zombie wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2024 9:27 am
Lazerus wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2024 8:38 am
zombie wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2024 4:23 pm
maybe so. his heart could be in the right place when it comes to his vaccine hesitancy. but good intentions can also pave the path to hell.
I have been given vaccines over the years, including the Flu and Covid ones and never had any problems.
yeah, rfk reportedly has taken vaccines too. and he photo op-ed support of fastfood that he believes to be unhealthy as it is currently. he is more than willing to say one thing and do another.
He never said he didn't take vaccines, he wants to know why they are not tested to the same standard as other medications.
asking questions alone is not what he was brought into trump's cabinet to do.
Sounds like a good thing to me
it could be a good thing. if it's not, trump and rfk will find a way to spin it in their favor, or not talk about it until the media moves on.
Re: Trumpster Fire 2025
Posted: Tue Nov 19, 2024 9:54 am
by zombie
zombie wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2024 9:46 am
it could be a good thing. if it's not, trump and rfk will find a way to spin it in their favor, or not talk about it until the media moves on.
for instance, bringing our troops home seems like a good thing. the dems fucked it up. best intentions again.
Re: Trumpster Fire 2025
Posted: Tue Nov 19, 2024 9:54 am
by Lazerus
zombie wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2024 9:46 am
Tiggnutz wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2024 9:41 am
zombie wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2024 9:36 am
Tiggnutz wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2024 9:33 am
zombie wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2024 9:27 am
Lazerus wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2024 8:38 am
zombie wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2024 4:23 pm
maybe so. his heart could be in the right place when it comes to his vaccine hesitancy. but good intentions can also pave the path to hell.
I have been given vaccines over the years, including the Flu and Covid ones and never had any problems.
yeah, rfk reportedly has taken vaccines too. and he photo op-ed support of fastfood that he believes to be unhealthy as it is currently. he is more than willing to say one thing and do another.
He never said he didn't take vaccines, he wants to know why they are not tested to the same standard as other medications.
asking questions alone is not what he was brought into trump's cabinet to do.
Sounds like a good thing to me
it could be a good thing. if it's not, trump and rfk will find a way to spin it in their favor, or not talk about it until the media moves on.
I can't speak to testing standards for vaccines but I do feel a lot of this is just fear mongering and BS politics.
Re: Trumpster Fire 2025
Posted: Wed Nov 20, 2024 7:40 pm
by zombie
joe scarborough is spineless. but he knows where the money is.