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Leave the Democrats behind and look into third party alternatives.

Electorally, it's the only possible solution, and I hope that all these Democrats complaining about elected Democrats' inefficiency start moving down that path.

A lot of them are idiotic liberals, though, so I doubt it.
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third party alternatives will not win against republicans. so, sure leave the democrats, and die in hell. :P
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zombie wrote: Thu Feb 06, 2025 1:15 pm third party alternatives will not win against republicans. so, sure leave the democrats, and die in hell. :P
If they get more votes, than they will win. People need to stop voting Democratic, look into third parties, and then third party vote totals will start moving up, as they were from 1900 - 1928 or thereabouts.

If Democrats lost to Trump twice, I don't understand why anyone would take them as a serious party.
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Jigsaw wrote: Thu Feb 06, 2025 1:17 pm
zombie wrote: Thu Feb 06, 2025 1:15 pm third party alternatives will not win against republicans. so, sure leave the democrats, and die in hell. :P
If they get more votes, than they will win. People need to stop voting Democratic, look into third parties, and then third party vote totals will start moving up, as they were from 1900 - 1928 or thereabouts.

If Democrats lost to Trump twice, I don't understand why anyone would take them as a serious party.
Three times, imo...
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Jason wrote: Thu Feb 06, 2025 1:18 pm
Jigsaw wrote: Thu Feb 06, 2025 1:17 pm
zombie wrote: Thu Feb 06, 2025 1:15 pm third party alternatives will not win against republicans. so, sure leave the democrats, and die in hell. :P
If they get more votes, than they will win. People need to stop voting Democratic, look into third parties, and then third party vote totals will start moving up, as they were from 1900 - 1928 or thereabouts.

If Democrats lost to Trump twice, I don't understand why anyone would take them as a serious party.
Three times, imo...
That's actually not a bad point.

While I do think that Biden won in 2020, the fact that it was even that close to begin with should be another sign that Democrats are entirely incapable of effectively fighting against Republicans, and yet they just shame third party voters, and try to force us to vote for their shitty, ineffective candidates as opposed to allowing actual oppositon to the GOP's platform.
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Jigsaw wrote: Thu Feb 06, 2025 1:17 pm
zombie wrote: Thu Feb 06, 2025 1:15 pm third party alternatives will not win against republicans. so, sure leave the democrats, and die in hell. :P
If they get more votes, than they will win. People need to stop voting Democratic, look into third parties, and then third party vote totals will start moving up, as they were from 1900 - 1928 or thereabouts.

If Democrats lost to Trump twice, I don't understand why anyone would take them as a serious party.
you don't have to take them as a serious party. but as a marginally better party than the republicans currently, when they actually win. :P and this is not to tell you how to vote. but just that we need something in the way of the all out boot stomping, while you do your third party.
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The Dems stopped be effective in fighting against the GOP after Obama's tenure and even then it wasn't that strong. The last time the Dems had any real power was during the Clinton years.
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zombie wrote: Thu Feb 06, 2025 1:21 pm
Jigsaw wrote: Thu Feb 06, 2025 1:17 pm
zombie wrote: Thu Feb 06, 2025 1:15 pm third party alternatives will not win against republicans. so, sure leave the democrats, and die in hell. :P
If they get more votes, than they will win. People need to stop voting Democratic, look into third parties, and then third party vote totals will start moving up, as they were from 1900 - 1928 or thereabouts.

If Democrats lost to Trump twice, I don't understand why anyone would take them as a serious party.
you don't have to take them as a serious party. but as a marginally better party than the republicans currently, when they actually win. :P and this is not to tell you how to vote. but just that we need something in the way of the all out boot stomping, while you do your third party.
Democrats don't do a thing to stop fascism, they enable it.

I don't see how that's not clear to people.
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Jigsaw wrote: Thu Feb 06, 2025 1:24 pm
zombie wrote: Thu Feb 06, 2025 1:21 pm
Jigsaw wrote: Thu Feb 06, 2025 1:17 pm
zombie wrote: Thu Feb 06, 2025 1:15 pm third party alternatives will not win against republicans. so, sure leave the democrats, and die in hell. :P
If they get more votes, than they will win. People need to stop voting Democratic, look into third parties, and then third party vote totals will start moving up, as they were from 1900 - 1928 or thereabouts.

If Democrats lost to Trump twice, I don't understand why anyone would take them as a serious party.
you don't have to take them as a serious party. but as a marginally better party than the republicans currently, when they actually win. :P and this is not to tell you how to vote. but just that we need something in the way of the all out boot stomping, while you do your third party.
Democrats don't do a thing to stop fascism, they enable it.

I don't see how that's not clear to people.
for all of the talk of conspiracies, of dei, and such, they don't legislate or take action as hard against us as the republicans have for the last ten to fifteen years. again, when they win.
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zombie wrote: Thu Feb 06, 2025 1:26 pm
Jigsaw wrote: Thu Feb 06, 2025 1:24 pm
zombie wrote: Thu Feb 06, 2025 1:21 pm
Jigsaw wrote: Thu Feb 06, 2025 1:17 pm
zombie wrote: Thu Feb 06, 2025 1:15 pm third party alternatives will not win against republicans. so, sure leave the democrats, and die in hell. :P
If they get more votes, than they will win. People need to stop voting Democratic, look into third parties, and then third party vote totals will start moving up, as they were from 1900 - 1928 or thereabouts.

If Democrats lost to Trump twice, I don't understand why anyone would take them as a serious party.
you don't have to take them as a serious party. but as a marginally better party than the republicans currently, when they actually win. :P and this is not to tell you how to vote. but just that we need something in the way of the all out boot stomping, while you do your third party.
Democrats don't do a thing to stop fascism, they enable it.

I don't see how that's not clear to people.
for all of the talk of conspiracies, of dei, and such, they don't legislate or take action as hard against us as the republicans have for the last ten to fifteen years. again, when they win.
And they also lost to Trump twice. Motherfucking Trump. :P

Instead of holding out hope that they can potentially be a stop-gap, people should look toward other methods, electorally or otherwise.
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Yes, but not if you voted for the democrats and their corruption.










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Jigsaw wrote: Thu Feb 06, 2025 1:28 pm
zombie wrote: Thu Feb 06, 2025 1:26 pm
Jigsaw wrote: Thu Feb 06, 2025 1:24 pm
zombie wrote: Thu Feb 06, 2025 1:21 pm
Jigsaw wrote: Thu Feb 06, 2025 1:17 pm
zombie wrote: Thu Feb 06, 2025 1:15 pm third party alternatives will not win against republicans. so, sure leave the democrats, and die in hell. :P
If they get more votes, than they will win. People need to stop voting Democratic, look into third parties, and then third party vote totals will start moving up, as they were from 1900 - 1928 or thereabouts.

If Democrats lost to Trump twice, I don't understand why anyone would take them as a serious party.
you don't have to take them as a serious party. but as a marginally better party than the republicans currently, when they actually win. :P and this is not to tell you how to vote. but just that we need something in the way of the all out boot stomping, while you do your third party.
Democrats don't do a thing to stop fascism, they enable it.

I don't see how that's not clear to people.
for all of the talk of conspiracies, of dei, and such, they don't legislate or take action as hard against us as the republicans have for the last ten to fifteen years. again, when they win.
And they also lost to Trump twice. Motherfucking Trump. :P

Instead of holding out hope that they can potentially be a stop-gap, people should look toward other methods, electorally or otherwise.
Let's not forget they lost to George W Bush in 2004, during a time that he was hugely unpopular and vulnerable as fuck!
His administration was one big colossal cluster fuck of a mess and ... they failed to defeat him. Let that sink in for a moment.
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Jigsaw wrote: Thu Feb 06, 2025 1:28 pm
zombie wrote: Thu Feb 06, 2025 1:26 pm
Jigsaw wrote: Thu Feb 06, 2025 1:24 pm
zombie wrote: Thu Feb 06, 2025 1:21 pm
Jigsaw wrote: Thu Feb 06, 2025 1:17 pm
zombie wrote: Thu Feb 06, 2025 1:15 pm third party alternatives will not win against republicans. so, sure leave the democrats, and die in hell. :P
If they get more votes, than they will win. People need to stop voting Democratic, look into third parties, and then third party vote totals will start moving up, as they were from 1900 - 1928 or thereabouts.

If Democrats lost to Trump twice, I don't understand why anyone would take them as a serious party.
you don't have to take them as a serious party. but as a marginally better party than the republicans currently, when they actually win. :P and this is not to tell you how to vote. but just that we need something in the way of the all out boot stomping, while you do your third party.
Democrats don't do a thing to stop fascism, they enable it.

I don't see how that's not clear to people.
for all of the talk of conspiracies, of dei, and such, they don't legislate or take action as hard against us as the republicans have for the last ten to fifteen years. again, when they win.
And they also lost to Trump twice. Motherfucking Trump. :P

Instead of holding out hope that they can potentially be a stop-gap, people should look toward other methods, electorally or otherwise.
they should do both. without time to grow, third parties are not a real option. is there a way for them to grow with republican domination?
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zombie wrote: Thu Feb 06, 2025 1:31 pm
Jigsaw wrote: Thu Feb 06, 2025 1:28 pm
zombie wrote: Thu Feb 06, 2025 1:26 pm
Jigsaw wrote: Thu Feb 06, 2025 1:24 pm
zombie wrote: Thu Feb 06, 2025 1:21 pm
Jigsaw wrote: Thu Feb 06, 2025 1:17 pm
zombie wrote: Thu Feb 06, 2025 1:15 pm third party alternatives will not win against republicans. so, sure leave the democrats, and die in hell. :P
If they get more votes, than they will win. People need to stop voting Democratic, look into third parties, and then third party vote totals will start moving up, as they were from 1900 - 1928 or thereabouts.

If Democrats lost to Trump twice, I don't understand why anyone would take them as a serious party.
you don't have to take them as a serious party. but as a marginally better party than the republicans currently, when they actually win. :P and this is not to tell you how to vote. but just that we need something in the way of the all out boot stomping, while you do your third party.
Democrats don't do a thing to stop fascism, they enable it.

I don't see how that's not clear to people.
for all of the talk of conspiracies, of dei, and such, they don't legislate or take action as hard against us as the republicans have for the last ten to fifteen years. again, when they win.
And they also lost to Trump twice. Motherfucking Trump. :P

Instead of holding out hope that they can potentially be a stop-gap, people should look toward other methods, electorally or otherwise.
they should do both. without time to grow, third parties are not a real option. is there a way for them to grow with republican domination?
I agree, the third party ship sunk 30 years ago with Ross Perot.
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zombie wrote: Thu Feb 06, 2025 1:31 pm
Jigsaw wrote: Thu Feb 06, 2025 1:28 pm
zombie wrote: Thu Feb 06, 2025 1:26 pm
Jigsaw wrote: Thu Feb 06, 2025 1:24 pm
zombie wrote: Thu Feb 06, 2025 1:21 pm
Jigsaw wrote: Thu Feb 06, 2025 1:17 pm
zombie wrote: Thu Feb 06, 2025 1:15 pm third party alternatives will not win against republicans. so, sure leave the democrats, and die in hell. :P
If they get more votes, than they will win. People need to stop voting Democratic, look into third parties, and then third party vote totals will start moving up, as they were from 1900 - 1928 or thereabouts.

If Democrats lost to Trump twice, I don't understand why anyone would take them as a serious party.
you don't have to take them as a serious party. but as a marginally better party than the republicans currently, when they actually win. :P and this is not to tell you how to vote. but just that we need something in the way of the all out boot stomping, while you do your third party.
Democrats don't do a thing to stop fascism, they enable it.

I don't see how that's not clear to people.
for all of the talk of conspiracies, of dei, and such, they don't legislate or take action as hard against us as the republicans have for the last ten to fifteen years. again, when they win.
And they also lost to Trump twice. Motherfucking Trump. :P

Instead of holding out hope that they can potentially be a stop-gap, people should look toward other methods, electorally or otherwise.
they should do both. without time to grow, third parties are not a real option. is there a way for them to grow with republican domination?
Given that both the Republican and Democratic Parties work to ensure ballot access is overly difficult and consistently throw third party candidates off ballots, if your solution is to vote blue while working toward third party growth, it won't work - the two are in direct contrasted goals to each other.

We'll have Republican domination anyway because the Democrats have zero idea how to fight against the GOP. That's not my fault, nor the fault of the voters. Instead of putting faith in a useless party, voters need to drop that party entirely. The Democratic Party needs to die - full stop.
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If third party candidates weren't an option, I would never vote again, on a side-note.
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Jigsaw wrote: Thu Feb 06, 2025 1:37 pm
zombie wrote: Thu Feb 06, 2025 1:31 pm
Jigsaw wrote: Thu Feb 06, 2025 1:28 pm
zombie wrote: Thu Feb 06, 2025 1:26 pm
Jigsaw wrote: Thu Feb 06, 2025 1:24 pm
zombie wrote: Thu Feb 06, 2025 1:21 pm
Jigsaw wrote: Thu Feb 06, 2025 1:17 pm
zombie wrote: Thu Feb 06, 2025 1:15 pm third party alternatives will not win against republicans. so, sure leave the democrats, and die in hell. :P
If they get more votes, than they will win. People need to stop voting Democratic, look into third parties, and then third party vote totals will start moving up, as they were from 1900 - 1928 or thereabouts.

If Democrats lost to Trump twice, I don't understand why anyone would take them as a serious party.
you don't have to take them as a serious party. but as a marginally better party than the republicans currently, when they actually win. :P and this is not to tell you how to vote. but just that we need something in the way of the all out boot stomping, while you do your third party.
Democrats don't do a thing to stop fascism, they enable it.

I don't see how that's not clear to people.
for all of the talk of conspiracies, of dei, and such, they don't legislate or take action as hard against us as the republicans have for the last ten to fifteen years. again, when they win.
And they also lost to Trump twice. Motherfucking Trump. :P

Instead of holding out hope that they can potentially be a stop-gap, people should look toward other methods, electorally or otherwise.
they should do both. without time to grow, third parties are not a real option. is there a way for them to grow with republican domination?
Given that both the Republican and Democratic Parties work to ensure ballot access is overly difficult and consistently throw third party candidates off ballots, if your solution is to vote blue while working toward third party growth, it won't work - the two are in direct contrasted goals to each other.

We'll have Republican domination anyway because the Democrats have zero idea how to fight against the GOP. That's not my fault, nor the fault of the voters. Instead of putting faith in a useless party, voters need to drop that party entirely. The Democratic Party needs to die - full stop.
Every political era inevitably ends. The MAGA Era or whatever history chooses to call it will come to an end eventually. What we need to be concerned about is what takes it's place. It could be better or a lot worse.
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Jigsaw wrote: Thu Feb 06, 2025 1:37 pm
zombie wrote: Thu Feb 06, 2025 1:31 pm
Jigsaw wrote: Thu Feb 06, 2025 1:28 pm
zombie wrote: Thu Feb 06, 2025 1:26 pm
Jigsaw wrote: Thu Feb 06, 2025 1:24 pm
zombie wrote: Thu Feb 06, 2025 1:21 pm
Jigsaw wrote: Thu Feb 06, 2025 1:17 pm
zombie wrote: Thu Feb 06, 2025 1:15 pm third party alternatives will not win against republicans. so, sure leave the democrats, and die in hell. :P
If they get more votes, than they will win. People need to stop voting Democratic, look into third parties, and then third party vote totals will start moving up, as they were from 1900 - 1928 or thereabouts.

If Democrats lost to Trump twice, I don't understand why anyone would take them as a serious party.
you don't have to take them as a serious party. but as a marginally better party than the republicans currently, when they actually win. :P and this is not to tell you how to vote. but just that we need something in the way of the all out boot stomping, while you do your third party.
Democrats don't do a thing to stop fascism, they enable it.

I don't see how that's not clear to people.
for all of the talk of conspiracies, of dei, and such, they don't legislate or take action as hard against us as the republicans have for the last ten to fifteen years. again, when they win.
And they also lost to Trump twice. Motherfucking Trump. :P

Instead of holding out hope that they can potentially be a stop-gap, people should look toward other methods, electorally or otherwise.
they should do both. without time to grow, third parties are not a real option. is there a way for them to grow with republican domination?
Given that both the Republican and Democratic Parties work to ensure ballot access is overly difficult and consistently throw third party candidates off ballots, if your solution is to vote blue while working toward third party growth, it won't work - the two are in direct contrasted goals to each other.

We'll have Republican domination anyway because the Democrats have zero idea how to fight against the GOP. That's not my fault, nor the fault of the voters. Instead of putting faith in a useless party, voters need to drop that party entirely. The Democratic Party needs to die - full stop.

i asked if you had a way fot third parties to grow in the midst of republican domination. instead of insisting that you won't have it if you vote blue, tell me how you will have it if you live under red domination?
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zombie wrote: Thu Feb 06, 2025 1:43 pm
Jigsaw wrote: Thu Feb 06, 2025 1:37 pm
zombie wrote: Thu Feb 06, 2025 1:31 pm
Jigsaw wrote: Thu Feb 06, 2025 1:28 pm
zombie wrote: Thu Feb 06, 2025 1:26 pm
Jigsaw wrote: Thu Feb 06, 2025 1:24 pm
zombie wrote: Thu Feb 06, 2025 1:21 pm
Jigsaw wrote: Thu Feb 06, 2025 1:17 pm
zombie wrote: Thu Feb 06, 2025 1:15 pm third party alternatives will not win against republicans. so, sure leave the democrats, and die in hell. :P
If they get more votes, than they will win. People need to stop voting Democratic, look into third parties, and then third party vote totals will start moving up, as they were from 1900 - 1928 or thereabouts.

If Democrats lost to Trump twice, I don't understand why anyone would take them as a serious party.
you don't have to take them as a serious party. but as a marginally better party than the republicans currently, when they actually win. :P and this is not to tell you how to vote. but just that we need something in the way of the all out boot stomping, while you do your third party.
Democrats don't do a thing to stop fascism, they enable it.

I don't see how that's not clear to people.
for all of the talk of conspiracies, of dei, and such, they don't legislate or take action as hard against us as the republicans have for the last ten to fifteen years. again, when they win.
And they also lost to Trump twice. Motherfucking Trump. :P

Instead of holding out hope that they can potentially be a stop-gap, people should look toward other methods, electorally or otherwise.
they should do both. without time to grow, third parties are not a real option. is there a way for them to grow with republican domination?
Given that both the Republican and Democratic Parties work to ensure ballot access is overly difficult and consistently throw third party candidates off ballots, if your solution is to vote blue while working toward third party growth, it won't work - the two are in direct contrasted goals to each other.

We'll have Republican domination anyway because the Democrats have zero idea how to fight against the GOP. That's not my fault, nor the fault of the voters. Instead of putting faith in a useless party, voters need to drop that party entirely. The Democratic Party needs to die - full stop.

i asked if you had a way fot third parties to grow in the midst of republican domination. instead of insisting that you won't have it if you vote blue, tell me how you will have it if you live under red domination?
In the way that parties always grow - increased education, increased outreach to the community, and growing an infrastructure.

My point is that it's just as difficult to do that under the GOP domination as it is a Democratic domination. Neither are allies to third party voters, which both have consistently shown.

Unless we slip into outright fascism - by which I partially mean the banning of political parties by the state - there's not a ton of difference in building a party under Republican leadership. In fact, it likely would be easier under Republican leadership, because people theorically see what a waste of time the Democratic Party is.

The bigger problem is apathy - people who have given up entirely on voting. I saw it after the 2016 Democratic Primaries, more after the 2020 Democratic Primaries. Instead of voting for solid third party candidates, plenty of people just don't vote at all. That's not an easy thing to combat, because I entirely understand where those people are coming from.
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Jigsaw wrote: Thu Feb 06, 2025 1:39 pm If third party candidates weren't an option, I would never vote again, on a side-note.
Your best bet is to reform it completely as opposed to running under a different name. Republicans in 2025 do not resemble Republicans in 2005 in the slightest.
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