Lazerus wrote: ↑Thu Feb 06, 2025 2:22 pm
Okay guys I'm done with these threads.
have fun.
You’ll be back.
Well I was trying my best to stay in the conversations but people stopped replying so I figured I'd bow out lol
I was going to reply to your 2004 presidential election point, but I couldn't find concrete approval ratings for Bush in 2004, so I moved on.
Sorry fam.
No worries. I was just using that as a reference point in the larger discussion. The Dems could have destroyed the GOP long ago if they wanted to but they're are too damn stupid to make it happen. in 2016 they chose Hillary Clinton over Bernie Sanders who IMO was the better candidate to go against Trump. Now even if Sanders won it wouldn't have changed anything about the U.S., anything Sanders would try to accomplish would have found itself deadlocked in legal battles but it could have kept the Dems in control and prevented this MAGA shit from happening. So to your point earlier I agree, they made Trump happen.
Fully agree with this.
If the Democrats were capable, they easily could have beat Trump in 2016, or Bush in 2004, or hell, even Bush in 1988. They just keep fumbling the ball, and it's hard to take a party like that seriously.
Lazerus wrote: ↑Thu Feb 06, 2025 2:22 pm
Okay guys I'm done with these threads.
have fun.
You’ll be back.
Well I was trying my best to stay in the conversations but people stopped replying so I figured I'd bow out lol
I was going to reply to your 2004 presidential election point, but I couldn't find concrete approval ratings for Bush in 2004, so I moved on.
Sorry fam.
2004 is when Bush’s ratings started to dip but they held off Kerry with an overtly jingoistic campaign and once elected, there was immediate buyer’s remorse and his ratings continued to decline over that second term.
That was the worst administration I've seen (so far) in my lifetime. Biden comes in a strong second.
Jigsaw wrote: ↑Thu Feb 06, 2025 1:48 pm
In the way that parties always grow - increased education, increased outreach to the community, and growing an infrastructure.
My point is that it's just as difficult to do that under the GOP domination as it is a Democratic domination. Neither are allies to third party voters, which both have consistently shown.
Unless we slip into outright fascism - by which I partially mean the banning of political parties by the state - there's not a ton of difference in building a party under Republican leadership. In fact, it likely would be easier under Republican leadership, because people theorically see what a waste of time the Democratic Party is.
The bigger problem is apathy - people who have given up entirely on voting. I saw it after the 2016 Democratic Primaries, more after the 2020 Democratic Primaries. Instead of voting for solid third party candidates, plenty of people just don't vote at all. That's not an easy thing to combat, because I entirely understand where those people are coming from.
fair, i guess. i don't agree with trying to do it under conservative control. but that seems to be the only way you're wiling to entertain. so we're at a standstill, here. otherwise, i think we are more or less on the same page, about what it means to live under a conservative government vs. liberal or democrat government.
I don't care who's control it's done under, I just know it needs to be done. If Harris had won last year, I'd have the same exact viewpoint.
The main problem is that people think the Democrats are somehow trying to protect us from Trump and his government, and that's clearly not the case. Like I said earlier, Democrats enabled Trump; they have from the very beginning (remember, the Democrats wanted a candidate like Trump or Ben Carson to become the GOP nominee in 2016 because they thought Clinton would have an easier chance to defeat them).
Democrats are dangerous because they either have no idea what they're doing, or they know exactly what they're doing, and trying to fundraise off of it. Either way, they are roadblocks, not allies.
i think there are a lot of people who see the fault with the democratic leadership, at least online. i don't know how that reflects in the day to day voters. but involvement in the communities and getting the word out may potentially be good for third parties. perhaps if enough of them win locally or state level, then that can insulate in some way against the bigger two parties.
i just want the lesser evil to have the broad power, while the third parties take a bigger hold and grow their influence.
The right has no exposure to leftists so they think the Democratic Party is indistinguishable from them.
but the left still holds values that the right actively threatens, right? they should be able to recognize that.
Do you get the impression that they don’t? Their role in the Republican vs Democrat ecosystem is to try to apply pressure to Democrats. When they are happy with the Democrats they lose any pretense of that.
Lazerus wrote: ↑Thu Feb 06, 2025 2:22 pm
Okay guys I'm done with these threads.
have fun.
You’ll be back.
Well I was trying my best to stay in the conversations but people stopped replying so I figured I'd bow out lol
I was going to reply to your 2004 presidential election point, but I couldn't find concrete approval ratings for Bush in 2004, so I moved on.
Sorry fam.
2004 is when Bush’s ratings started to dip but they held off Kerry with an overtly jingoistic campaign and once elected, there was immediate buyer’s remorse and his ratings continued to decline over that second term.
That was the worst administration I've seen (so far) in my lifetime. Biden comes in a strong second.
Bush should be universally recognized as the worst.
Lazerus wrote: ↑Thu Feb 06, 2025 2:22 pm
Okay guys I'm done with these threads.
have fun.
You’ll be back.
Well I was trying my best to stay in the conversations but people stopped replying so I figured I'd bow out lol
I was going to reply to your 2004 presidential election point, but I couldn't find concrete approval ratings for Bush in 2004, so I moved on.
Sorry fam.
No worries. I was just using that as a reference point in the larger discussion. The Dems could have destroyed the GOP long ago if they wanted to but they're are too damn stupid to make it happen. in 2016 they chose Hillary Clinton over Bernie Sanders who IMO was the better candidate to go against Trump. Now even if Sanders won it wouldn't have changed anything about the U.S., anything Sanders would try to accomplish would have found itself deadlocked in legal battles but it could have kept the Dems in control and prevented this MAGA shit from happening. So to your point earlier I agree, they made Trump happen.
Fully agree with this.
If the Democrats were capable, they easily could have beat Trump in 2016, or Bush in 2004, or hell, even Bush in 1988. They just keep fumbling the ball, and it's hard to take a party like that seriously.
I don't like Sanders but he was red hot at that time, super popular with Millennials who were the bulk of the young voter base at that time.
Now I disagree with you about 1988. That was still deep in the Regan Era, there was no beating the GOP at during that time. The Dems simply didn't have any good candidates. They got lucky in 1992 with Bill Clinton but I feel a lot of his support came from his generation (Baby Boomers) who were consolidating their take over of power at that point.
From 1980-2004, the national perception of left wing politics was extremely negative. The window was closed until the financial crisis. By then the Democrats had made a pretty significant shift to the right.
Headhunter wrote: ↑Thu Feb 06, 2025 2:44 pm
From 1980-2004, the national perception of left wing politics was extremely negative. The window was closed until the financial crisis. By then the Democrats had made a pretty significant shift to the right.
How long do you predict the MAGA Era will last and what do you think might follow it?
Headhunter wrote: ↑Thu Feb 06, 2025 2:44 pm
From 1980-2004, the national perception of left wing politics was extremely negative. The window was closed until the financial crisis. By then the Democrats had made a pretty significant shift to the right.
How long do you predict the MAGA Era will last and what do you think might follow it?
I don’t know how much legs MAGA specifically will have, but I the Republicans will be a populist party for the foreseeable future because of it. And I think the Democrat platform will increasingly be about rejecting populism and become more of an “in group” for an educated culturally liberal class of people. I expect they will move to the right on immigration.
zombie wrote: ↑Thu Feb 06, 2025 1:26 pm
for all of the talk of conspiracies, of dei, and such, they don't legislate or take action as hard against us as the republicans have for the last ten to fifteen years. again, when they win.
zombie wrote: ↑Thu Feb 06, 2025 1:26 pm
for all of the talk of conspiracies, of dei, and such, they don't legislate or take action as hard against us as the republicans have for the last ten to fifteen years. again, when they win.
Who is us?
11 of the last 15 years Democrats have been in power
zombie wrote: ↑Thu Feb 06, 2025 1:26 pm
for all of the talk of conspiracies, of dei, and such, they don't legislate or take action as hard against us as the republicans have for the last ten to fifteen years. again, when they win.
Who is us?
keep in mind, i said not as hard. and anyone that isn't rich and powerful, with exceptions to some of them too. and it probably varies if you're focused locally, more than the country at large. i hear that gavin newsom is a nightmare.
The DOGE discoveries are not just about "wasted" taxpayer funds. The real story, the 5 alarm fire, is that USAID was literally funding an entirely hand crafted pseudo-reality. Not just in America but all over the world.
You were robbed to fund global psychological operations.
-Buying off media outlets
-Pushing advertiser Boycotts against X and Rumble as they attempted to decrease censorship
(AKA narrative control)
-Pushing war propaganda
-Funding opposition groups in foreign lands to foment revolutions
-Funding lawfare against the former president of the united states and his supporters
(I could go on for an hour)
People get caught up on the "$100K to study cocaines' impact on chihuahua" stories. That is not the headline here.
The headline here is:
The US government robbed you blind in an effort to control your mind
The headline here is:
The US government robbed you blind in an effort to control your mind
That's about as big as it gets.
is there a large organized group or movement that hang on democrats every word and shoot down any opposition? cause i haven't seen it. i've seen a lot of infighting and conflicting points of view. do they just suck at the control that they're trying for, or did it pass me by?
Headhunter wrote: ↑Thu Feb 06, 2025 2:44 pm
From 1980-2004, the national perception of left wing politics was extremely negative. The window was closed until the financial crisis. By then the Democrats had made a pretty significant shift to the right.
How long do you predict the MAGA Era will last and what do you think might follow it?
I don’t know how much legs MAGA specifically will have, but I the Republicans will be a populist party for the foreseeable future because of it. And I think the Democrat platform will increasingly be about rejecting populism and become more of an “in group” for an educated culturally liberal class of people. I expect they will move to the right on immigration.
So what you're saying is the Dems ain't gonna win jack shit in the foreseeable future.
Headhunter wrote: ↑Thu Feb 06, 2025 2:44 pm
From 1980-2004, the national perception of left wing politics was extremely negative. The window was closed until the financial crisis. By then the Democrats had made a pretty significant shift to the right.
How long do you predict the MAGA Era will last and what do you think might follow it?
I don’t know how much legs MAGA specifically will have, but I the Republicans will be a populist party for the foreseeable future because of it. And I think the Democrat platform will increasingly be about rejecting populism and become more of an “in group” for an educated culturally liberal class of people. I expect they will move to the right on immigration.
So what you're saying is the Dems ain't gonna win jack shit in the foreseeable future.
They will but only because of GOP incompetence. That’s the only reason they’ve won anything recently.
