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to others on hmf? or do you just mean in person?

i can say that my awareness of things has changed because of some of you, and of political / social issues youtubers and the like.

zombie wrote:to others on hmf? or do you just mean in person?

i can say that my awareness of things has changed because of some of you, and of political / social issues youtubers and the like.

In what areas have you tilted to the right on, where you previously were more leftist?

Foo wrote:

zombie wrote:to others on hmf? or do you just mean in person?

i can say that my awareness of things has changed because of some of you, and of political / social issues youtubers and the like.

In what areas have you tilted to the right on, where you previously were more leftist?

i'm not anti-establishment and anti-authority like i was a little bit when i was younger. i know that i've become more understanding of other views, since w. bush was elected. that maybe the biggest change? i was kind of insulated before hmf. and not really talking about anything that didn't relate to entertainment with friends offline or on.

I'd say compared to HMF 2004-05 I've come a long way from where I was and no doubt due to discussions here and elsewhere. There are certainly more nuanced areas where I've moved in some way. Some things I think are fundamentally hard to shift from. But less fundamental ideas I've moved on.

I suddenly feel like a Trevor Noah tribute thread is in order.

showa58taro wrote:

zombie wrote:

showa58taro wrote:

zombie wrote:the two of you, as an example, could have an interesting conversation on it, i'm sure?

It could be an interesting echo chamber.

you don't think you and head have different takes on things? i've butted heads with you a couple of times, and we're both supposed to be batshit liberals.

I think I have a very different perspective from you and Head, definitely. I just meant that, at least on the acknowledgement that there are race issues, we'd both go "yeah there are" and then nod.

I think that kind of sums it up for me too, I guess. End of the day, shit is always going to boil down to "White man bad. Poor minorities". Got it, thanks for reminding me yet again.

Reign in Blood wrote:

showa58taro wrote:

zombie wrote:

showa58taro wrote:

zombie wrote:the two of you, as an example, could have an interesting conversation on it, i'm sure?

It could be an interesting echo chamber.

you don't think you and head have different takes on things? i've butted heads with you a couple of times, and we're both supposed to be batshit liberals.

I think I have a very different perspective from you and Head, definitely. I just meant that, at least on the acknowledgement that there are race issues, we'd both go "yeah there are" and then nod.

I think that kind of sums it up for me too, I guess. End of the day, shit is always going to boil down to "White man bad. Poor minorities". Got it, thanks for reminding me yet again.

I think "poor minorities" is valid. I'm not sure I think White Man Bad works as well though it is catchy.

if we looked at it as not being racism, would it be more palatable and more easily talked about? i mean there is likely a way to talk about it, without blaming the issue on someone's skin color?

though that is jumping through hoops to try to appease people, and that is it's own problem.

Reign in Blood wrote:

showa58taro wrote:

zombie wrote:

showa58taro wrote:

zombie wrote:the two of you, as an example, could have an interesting conversation on it, i'm sure?

It could be an interesting echo chamber.

you don't think you and head have different takes on things? i've butted heads with you a couple of times, and we're both supposed to be batshit liberals.

I think I have a very different perspective from you and Head, definitely. I just meant that, at least on the acknowledgement that there are race issues, we'd both go "yeah there are" and then nod.

I think that kind of sums it up for me too, I guess. End of the day, shit is always going to boil down to "White man bad. Poor minorities". Got it, thanks for reminding me yet again.

Don't be pulling a Jason with this white guilt straw man.

Headhunter wrote:

Reign in Blood wrote:

showa58taro wrote:

zombie wrote:

showa58taro wrote:

zombie wrote:the two of you, as an example, could have an interesting conversation on it, i'm sure?

It could be an interesting echo chamber.

you don't think you and head have different takes on things? i've butted heads with you a couple of times, and we're both supposed to be batshit liberals.

I think I have a very different perspective from you and Head, definitely. I just meant that, at least on the acknowledgement that there are race issues, we'd both go "yeah there are" and then nod.

I think that kind of sums it up for me too, I guess. End of the day, shit is always going to boil down to "White man bad. Poor minorities". Got it, thanks for reminding me yet again.

Don't be pulling a Jason with this white guilt straw man.

I don't see it as a straw man but a current social narrative. We have moved from working toward equality to working to get even in some vengeance type thing.

Tiggnutz wrote:

Headhunter wrote:

Reign in Blood wrote:

showa58taro wrote:

zombie wrote:

showa58taro wrote:

zombie wrote:the two of you, as an example, could have an interesting conversation on it, i'm sure?

It could be an interesting echo chamber.

you don't think you and head have different takes on things? i've butted heads with you a couple of times, and we're both supposed to be batshit liberals.

I think I have a very different perspective from you and Head, definitely. I just meant that, at least on the acknowledgement that there are race issues, we'd both go "yeah there are" and then nod.

I think that kind of sums it up for me too, I guess. End of the day, shit is always going to boil down to "White man bad. Poor minorities". Got it, thanks for reminding me yet again.

Don't be pulling a Jason with this white guilt straw man.

I don't see it as a straw man but a current social narrative. We have moved from working toward equality to working to get even in some vengeance type thing.

No. It's a straw man.

The transition to "white man bad" immediately in this thread says all you need to know about the capability of some here to have such a discussion. Thanks for proving my point, guys. :oops:

Tiggnutz wrote:

Headhunter wrote:

Reign in Blood wrote:

showa58taro wrote:

zombie wrote:

showa58taro wrote:

zombie wrote:the two of you, as an example, could have an interesting conversation on it, i'm sure?

It could be an interesting echo chamber.

you don't think you and head have different takes on things? i've butted heads with you a couple of times, and we're both supposed to be batshit liberals.

I think I have a very different perspective from you and Head, definitely. I just meant that, at least on the acknowledgement that there are race issues, we'd both go "yeah there are" and then nod.

I think that kind of sums it up for me too, I guess. End of the day, shit is always going to boil down to "White man bad. Poor minorities". Got it, thanks for reminding me yet again.

Don't be pulling a Jason with this white guilt straw man.

I don't see it as a straw man but a current social narrative. We have moved from working toward equality to working to get even in some vengeance type thing.

Yep. Disgusting.

Every day in America, a white or Asian person is denied a scholarship or job that goes to a less deserving black or Hispanic. That is racism. Denial of opportunity that has been earned is the worst kind of racism because it is legal.

The funniest thing about it is the self-victimization in these arguments as if every individual white person has to bear the cross for his race.

"Black Lives Matter? That must mean my life doesn't matter, what did I do?"

"A white person/institution is racist? That must mean you're calling me racist!"


How fucking stupid do people want to pretend to be in this matter? There seem to really be no limits to how low people will stoop. It isn't even worth the assurances of "we're not fucking talking about you, chill."

Foo wrote:Every day in America, a white or Asian person is denied a scholarship or job that goes to a less deserving black or Hispanic. That is racism. Denial of opportunity that has been earned is the worst kind of racism because it is legal.

Yeah it's racism when you ignore all context and pretend it exists in a vacuum. You can come up with any bullshit you want that way.

Foo wrote:Every day in America, a white or Asian person is denied a scholarship or job that goes to a less deserving black or Hispanic. That is racism. Denial of opportunity that has been earned is the worst kind of racism because it is legal.

Whoops! Did I say that. I meant to say that it is racism because black people commit more crimes and thus more black people are in jail, or something like that...

Foo wrote:

Foo wrote:Every day in America, a white or Asian person is denied a scholarship or job that goes to a less deserving black or Hispanic. That is racism. Denial of opportunity that has been earned is the worst kind of racism because it is legal.

Whoops! Did I say that. I meant to say that it is racism because black people commit more crimes and thus more black people are in jail, or something like that...

You didn't need to bump your own awful take. You only posted it a few minutes ago.

Foo wrote:

Foo wrote:Every day in America, a white or Asian person is denied a scholarship or job that goes to a less deserving black or Hispanic. That is racism. Denial of opportunity that has been earned is the worst kind of racism because it is legal.

Whoops! Did I say that. I meant to say that it is racism because black people commit more crimes and thus more black people are in jail, or something like that...

Nobody ever wants to talk about that, though. For some reason. Perhaps it is the harshest form of racism to point shit out like that.

White men enjoyed the benefits of affirmative action in this country for 350 years, not regulated by the state but socialized discrimination so