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[zombie]

People weaponize that "walking on eggshells" stuff too. Half the reactions you'll see are genuinely people being offended because they misinterpreted who you're being critical of, and the other half is people who know damn well you're making the appropriate distinctions but want to play dumb and feign outrage because it's easy to.

i think that we all deserve the benefit of the doubt, in general conversation. sometimes it is worth clarifying a position if you feel like you aren't getting it across to the other person, or asking them to clarify when you feel like you're not getting their position,

[Headhunter]

People weaponize that "walking on eggshells" stuff too. Half the reactions you'll see are genuinely people being offended because they misinterpreted who you're being critical of, and the other half is people who know damn well you're making the appropriate distinctions but want to play dumb and feign outrage because it's easy to.

i think that we all deserve the benefit of the doubt, in general conversation. sometimes it is worth clarifying a position if you feel like you aren't getting it across to the other person, or asking them to clarify when you feel like you're not getting their position,

Would agree that we all deserve the benefit of the doubt. A lot of us employ a fair amount hyperbole in our arguments anyway, it should be expected. The sniping and bickering isn't political in nature though.

[zombie]

People weaponize that "walking on eggshells" stuff too. Half the reactions you'll see are genuinely people being offended because they misinterpreted who you're being critical of, and the other half is people who know damn well you're making the appropriate distinctions but want to play dumb and feign outrage because it's easy to.

i think that we all deserve the benefit of the doubt, in general conversation. sometimes it is worth clarifying a position if you feel like you aren't getting it across to the other person, or asking them to clarify when you feel like you're not getting their position,

Would agree that we all deserve the benefit of the doubt. A lot of us employ a fair amount hyperbole in our arguments anyway, it should be expected. The sniping and bickering isn't political in nature though.

yeah, sniping and bickering really only serves to frustrate or annoy people.

[Headhunter]

People weaponize that "walking on eggshells" stuff too. Half the reactions you'll see are genuinely people being offended because they misinterpreted who you're being critical of, and the other half is people who know damn well you're making the appropriate distinctions but want to play dumb and feign outrage because it's easy to.

i think that we all deserve the benefit of the doubt, in general conversation. sometimes it is worth clarifying a position if you feel like you aren't getting it across to the other person, or asking them to clarify when you feel like you're not getting their position,

Would agree that we all deserve the benefit of the doubt. A lot of us employ a fair amount hyperbole in our arguments anyway, it should be expected. The sniping and bickering isn't political in nature though.

yeah, sniping and bickering really only serves to frustrate or annoy people.

We're only human!

[zombie]

People weaponize that "walking on eggshells" stuff too. Half the reactions you'll see are genuinely people being offended because they misinterpreted who you're being critical of, and the other half is people who know damn well you're making the appropriate distinctions but want to play dumb and feign outrage because it's easy to.

i think that we all deserve the benefit of the doubt, in general conversation. sometimes it is worth clarifying a position if you feel like you aren't getting it across to the other person, or asking them to clarify when you feel like you're not getting their position,

Would agree that we all deserve the benefit of the doubt. A lot of us employ a fair amount hyperbole in our arguments anyway, it should be expected. The sniping and bickering isn't political in nature though.

yeah, sniping and bickering really only serves to frustrate or annoy people.

We're only human!

i'm probably guilty of it too.

[Foo]

I'm not saying it's anything to do with left, liberal or democrat or right,conservative or republican I'm saying that we have let political difference reach a level of excepted hysteria. This should scare everyone. Spraying paint on people and knocking over trash cans has led to attempted murder. Republicans shouldn't be blaming this on democrats and democrats shouldn't be blaming Republicans cause it's all their fault.

i think it comes down to polarization and escalation, to the extreme. it's not something that only one side or the other, politically. i think that we should try to de-escalate. try to be more understanding or respectful of each other. try not to generalize or stereotype people by the worst of the group they identify with or whatever. at least, to the point that we have an influence. it could help a little bit.

Or we could not shoot people we disagree with.

[Tiggnutz]

This dude sounds like a real fuckin loser. To bad he hurt people before they got a chance to punch his ticket.

[Foo]

Trump and Sanders were really just two sides of the same "rural white America has been betrayed" coin.

Trump got a bigger share of the loonies, but Sanders had no shortage himself.

People support Bernie Sanders because they want a free ride. Where I do see some similarities:

Bernie supporters think they are losers because a millionaire/billionaire/corporation is keeping money from them. Trump supporters think they are losers because welfare recipients or illegals are taking it.

[showa58taro]

So both sides are deluded.

[zombie]

I'm not saying it's anything to do with left, liberal or democrat or right,conservative or republican I'm saying that we have let political difference reach a level of excepted hysteria. This should scare everyone. Spraying paint on people and knocking over trash cans has led to attempted murder. Republicans shouldn't be blaming this on democrats and democrats shouldn't be blaming Republicans cause it's all their fault.

i think it comes down to polarization and escalation, to the extreme. it's not something that only one side or the other, politically. i think that we should try to de-escalate. try to be more understanding or respectful of each other. try not to generalize or stereotype people by the worst of the group they identify with or whatever. at least, to the point that we have an influence. it could help a little bit.

Or we could not shoot people we disagree with.

treat the symptom only. don't look for a cause. don't think about why it might be happening as well.

[Foo]

So both sides are deluded.

Sure, both parties have extremes. Keep in mind Bernie could not win his primary precisely because he was too extreme for democrats. Bernie's entire platform was basically, " you are a loser because someone else is productive.

[Foo]

I'm not saying it's anything to do with left, liberal or democrat or right,conservative or republican I'm saying that we have let political difference reach a level of excepted hysteria. This should scare everyone. Spraying paint on people and knocking over trash cans has led to attempted murder. Republicans shouldn't be blaming this on democrats and democrats shouldn't be blaming Republicans cause it's all their fault.

i think it comes down to polarization and escalation, to the extreme. it's not something that only one side or the other, politically. i think that we should try to de-escalate. try to be more understanding or respectful of each other. try not to generalize or stereotype people by the worst of the group they identify with or whatever. at least, to the point that we have an influence. it could help a little bit.

Or we could not shoot people we disagree with.

treat the symptom only. don't look for a cause. don't think about why it might be happening as well.

Yeah, seriously, fuck all that. The moment someone starts trying to kill people like that is the moment anything they think or feel is irrelevant. They proved themselves to be crazy.

I don't care about how sad terrorists are either.

Bottom line is this guy was shooting a gun at people because his life was bad and he couldn't take personal responsibility.

[zombie]

Yeah, seriously, fuck all that. The moment someone starts trying to kill people like that is the moment anything they think or feel is irrelevant. They proved themselves to be crazy.

I don't care about how sad terrorists are either.

Bottom line is this guy was shooting a gun at people because his life was bad and he couldn't take personal responsibility.

ywah, you missed what i was saying. or what tigg and i were even talking about. fuck that guy, but also look at the big situation to maybe de-escalate things so it doesn't happen again. if you can prevent something, why not?

[showa58taro]

Just kill and be killed. We don't need solutions, we need buckets.

[Tiggnutz]

Everyone has to remember that not everyone is sane enough to tell the difference between rhetoric or satire from reality. Some people take everything literally. Trump is guilty the media is guilty everyone is guilty. It's so accepted that it seems to be encouraged on college campuses. I knew when physical attacks and destruction of property were tolerated,accepted and treated as protest that it would escalate to something worse.

[Reign in Blood]

All this escalation/de-escalation shiz reminds me of the time Seb argued that was the primary theme of the Dark Knight.

[zombie]

All this escalation/de-escalation shiz reminds me of the time Seb argued that was the primary theme of the Dark Knight.

it may not be the primary theme, but it is a theme.

[showa58taro]

All this escalation/de-escalation shiz reminds me of the time Seb argued that was the primary theme of the Dark Knight.

I must admit I don't recall that being central to my enjoyment of the film, but it does sound like something I'd argue for.

[Reign in Blood]

All this escalation/de-escalation shiz reminds me of the time Seb argued that was the primary theme of the Dark Knight.

it may not be the primary theme, but it is a theme.

That is not a theme of the Dark Knight.

[zombie]

Everyone has to remember that not everyone is sane enough to tell the difference between rhetoric or satire from reality. Some people take everything literally. Trump is guilty the media is guilty everyone is guilty. It's so accepted that it seems to be encouraged on college campuses. I knew when physical attacks and destruction of property were tolerated,accepted and treated as protest that it would escalate to something worse.

uh huh. it shouldn't be encouraged. it shouldn't be tolerated. in an environment as polarized as we have, politically, things are gonna boil over. and we should work to counter that. protest is a good thing. violence and destruction is fucked.