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Reign in Blood wrote:Should burn it down? Start anew?

The whole section? Probably. Or at best start some topics and force them to be debated not trolled.

showa58taro wrote:

Reign in Blood wrote:Should burn it down? Start anew?

The whole section? Probably. Or at best start some topics and force them to be debated not trolled.

How European!

showa58taro wrote:

Reign in Blood wrote:Should burn it down? Start anew?

The whole section? Probably. Or at best start some topics and force them to be debated not trolled.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NXn0Cao8jm4

Foo wrote:

showa58taro wrote:

Reign in Blood wrote:Should burn it down? Start anew?

The whole section? Probably. Or at best start some topics and force them to be debated not trolled.

How European!

Lol. Indeed. We obviously aren’t doing either of those things. Not the HMF way. We keep our forums and topics open and free to become however shit they fancy becoming.

Guilty by association doesn't work here. We were all online friends with known murderer. Michael Shingabis. Nobody knew what he was going to do. Nobody knew he was that kind of person. That doesn't make us bad people for being friends with him before this happened. Or poor judges of character. Bad people do bad things. Harvey is responsible for his own actions. Not Clinton, not Trump, not Obama, Dunham or Allred. They are all separate people. Dislike or like them as you will, but base them on singular merits, or in this case, misdeeds. Not group mentality.

That's just my two cents. There's right and wrong. There's what we know, what we don't know and what's proven. You can't lump people together like that unless they had an active hand in said act. That's like saying Kato's as guilty as OJ. If OJ was guilty. It just doesn't work that way.

dave626 wrote:Guilty by association doesn't work here. We were all online friends with known murderer. Michael Shingabis. Nobody knew what he was going to do. Nobody knew he was that kind of person. That doesn't make us bad people for being friends with him before this happened. Or poor judges of character. Bad people do bad things. Harvey is responsible for his own actions. Not Clinton, not Trump, not Obama, Dunham or Allred. They are all separate people. Dislike or like them as you will, but base them on singular merits, or in this case, misdeeds. Not group mentality.

That's just my two cents. There's right and wrong. There's what we know, what we don't know and what's proven. You can't lump people together like that unless they had an active hand in said act. That's like saying Kato's as guilty as OJ. If OJ was guilty. It just doesn't work that way.

I was never his friend. :p

Not mine either, I knew he was a fruit cake just not nuttier than Planters. ; p

To this day, Lucian's probably the biggest airhead I've ever encountered. I don't want to be mistaken for his friend either.

Headhunter wrote:To this day, Lucian's probably the biggest airhead I've ever encountered. I don't want to be mistaken for his friend either.

Probably the girlfriend, actually.

Headhunter wrote:

Headhunter wrote:To this day, Lucian's probably the biggest airhead I've ever encountered. I don't want to be mistaken for his friend either.

Probably the girlfriend, actually.

Plot twist: What if Lucian was the girlfriend?

Reign in Blood wrote:

Headhunter wrote:

Headhunter wrote:To this day, Lucian's probably the biggest airhead I've ever encountered. I don't want to be mistaken for his friend either.

Probably the girlfriend, actually.

Plot twist: What if Lucian was the girlfriend?

That did occur to me at one point before all the shit went down, actually. Their arguments felt staged, it was like the most braindead soap opera in history.

I almost wish I was here for those times.

Almost.

Also, there is a big distinction:

Are you aware of the activity? In the case of Lucian, none of use were aware he was a violent murderer and disowned him upon learning of it. With Weinstein, many people were fully aware and ignored it. Weinstein had power, money, and influence in part because all of those aware enabled him.

And yes, that includes many of the so-called victims. If you take the career advancement in exchange for the sex or even the silence, are you a victim at all?

Foo wrote:Also, there is a big distinction:

Are you aware of the activity? In the case of Lucian, none of use were aware he was a violent murderer and disowned him upon learning of it. With Weinstein, many people were fully aware and ignored it. Weinstein had power, money, and influence in part because all of those aware enabled him.

And yes, that includes many of the so-called victims. If you take the career advancement in exchange for the sex or even the silence, are you a victim at all?

All of this can apply to Roger Ailes and you never said anything about tha. Was it more acceptable for him because your expectation is perverted behavior from conservatives with power?

Newsflash: the mega-wealthy exist in their own bubble and believe no rules apply. There's no political ideology to it, their money goes where the wind blows.

Headhunter wrote:

Foo wrote:Also, there is a big distinction:

Are you aware of the activity? In the case of Lucian, none of use were aware he was a violent murderer and disowned him upon learning of it. With Weinstein, many people were fully aware and ignored it. Weinstein had power, money, and influence in part because all of those aware enabled him.

And yes, that includes many of the so-called victims. If you take the career advancement in exchange for the sex or even the silence, are you a victim at all?

All of this can apply to Roger Ailes and you never said anything about tha. Was it more acceptable for him because your expectation is perverted behavior from conservatives with power?

Newsflash: the mega-wealthy exist in their own bubble and believe no rules apply. There's no political ideology to it, their money goes where the wind blows.

Roger Ailes is not a feminist hero who was being protected by those very feminists while he was harassing women.

Certainly none of us expected Lucian to murder anyone, but every single one of us knew the dude had a screw loose. And his girl.

Foo wrote:

Headhunter wrote:

Foo wrote:Also, there is a big distinction:

Are you aware of the activity? In the case of Lucian, none of use were aware he was a violent murderer and disowned him upon learning of it. With Weinstein, many people were fully aware and ignored it. Weinstein had power, money, and influence in part because all of those aware enabled him.

And yes, that includes many of the so-called victims. If you take the career advancement in exchange for the sex or even the silence, are you a victim at all?

All of this can apply to Roger Ailes and you never said anything about tha. Was it more acceptable for him because your expectation is perverted behavior from conservatives with power?

Newsflash: the mega-wealthy exist in their own bubble and believe no rules apply. There's no political ideology to it, their money goes where the wind blows.

Roger Ailes is not a feminist hero who was being protected by those very feminists while he was harassing women.

In other words, you find that situation more acceptable because the expectation for conservatives with power is to be perverts.

Headhunter wrote:In other words,

Here comes the liberal spin.

Headhunter wrote:you find that situation more acceptable because the expectation for conservatives with power is to be perverts.

Yep, there it is.

Headhunter wrote:

Foo wrote:

Headhunter wrote:

Foo wrote:Also, there is a big distinction:

Are you aware of the activity? In the case of Lucian, none of use were aware he was a violent murderer and disowned him upon learning of it. With Weinstein, many people were fully aware and ignored it. Weinstein had power, money, and influence in part because all of those aware enabled him.

And yes, that includes many of the so-called victims. If you take the career advancement in exchange for the sex or even the silence, are you a victim at all?

All of this can apply to Roger Ailes and you never said anything about tha. Was it more acceptable for him because your expectation is perverted behavior from conservatives with power?

Newsflash: the mega-wealthy exist in their own bubble and believe no rules apply. There's no political ideology to it, their money goes where the wind blows.

Roger Ailes is not a feminist hero who was being protected by those very feminists while he was harassing women.

In other words, you find that situation more acceptable because the expectation for conservatives with power is to be perverts.

I think a bunch of feminists acting like harassment is not a problem when it furthers their agenda is the issue. Both Ailes and Weinstein are pervs.

Foo wrote:

Headhunter wrote:

Foo wrote:

Headhunter wrote:

Foo wrote:Also, there is a big distinction:

Are you aware of the activity? In the case of Lucian, none of use were aware he was a violent murderer and disowned him upon learning of it. With Weinstein, many people were fully aware and ignored it. Weinstein had power, money, and influence in part because all of those aware enabled him.

And yes, that includes many of the so-called victims. If you take the career advancement in exchange for the sex or even the silence, are you a victim at all?

All of this can apply to Roger Ailes and you never said anything about tha. Was it more acceptable for him because your expectation is perverted behavior from conservatives with power?

Newsflash: the mega-wealthy exist in their own bubble and believe no rules apply. There's no political ideology to it, their money goes where the wind blows.

Roger Ailes is not a feminist hero who was being protected by those very feminists while he was harassing women.

In other words, you find that situation more acceptable because the expectation for conservatives with power is to be perverts.

I think a bunch of feminists acting like harassment is not a problem when it furthers their agenda is the issue. Both Ailes and Weinstein are pervs.

You'll have to forgive me for not wanting to soak in your blatantly partisan agenda here...