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and if rose mcgowan was the only one, you may be right to raise a stink eye. but she's not. there are several others. i don't know who is being truthful about an encounter, and who is twisting an encounter to add to the accusations. i'm not going to throw them all under the bus, because mcgowan may be acting opportunistically.

Here is the thing about that business, there are all levels of talent in it and a ton of people with similar skills. Do you think Jennifer Lawrence is some sort of generational talent? Or do you think she is a pretty girl with talent who shot to stardom because she is fun to party with?

The whole business is a cesspool. It is about toeing the line, partying, and networking with some talent sprinkled in. Megan Fox was an A-list star, then invoked Hitler in a Jewish run town, and then fizzled away, only given an opportunity by the people who wanted to throw her a bone after they killed her career. Did she become less talented the moment she made the remark?

jennifer lawrence has talent and seems like she'd be fun to hang out with too. megan fox's talent did not go down. her image did. her marketability did, at least in hollywood circles.

you can clean up the cesspool. don't "barbara walters" us, foo!

zombie wrote:and if rose mcgowan was the only one, you may be right to raise a stink eye. but she's not. there are several others. i don't know who is being truthful about an encounter, and who is twisting an encounter to add to the accusations. i'm not going to throw them all under the bus, because mcgowan may be acting opportunistically.

There is a mad scramble to get on the right side of this. It is about those people promoting or protecting their names, not justice.

Foo wrote:

zombie wrote:and if rose mcgowan was the only one, you may be right to raise a stink eye. but she's not. there are several others. i don't know who is being truthful about an encounter, and who is twisting an encounter to add to the accusations. i'm not going to throw them all under the bus, because mcgowan may be acting opportunistically.

There is a mad scramble to get on the right side of this. It is about those people promoting or protecting their names, not justice.

enh. i'm not into victim blaming. if this is where we're heading, i'll bow out of the debate.

Serious question, how many aspiring actresses and actors do you think flirt with decision makers? Wanna bet it is close to all of them? How often are you bombarded on various celeb news articles that involves sexuality in some way? skimpy outfits, Instagram photos, etc?

If this was a pool that had someone shit in it, you could clean it. You literally want to turn the turd into water. Ain't happening.

zombie wrote:

Foo wrote:

zombie wrote:and if rose mcgowan was the only one, you may be right to raise a stink eye. but she's not. there are several others. i don't know who is being truthful about an encounter, and who is twisting an encounter to add to the accusations. i'm not going to throw them all under the bus, because mcgowan may be acting opportunistically.

There is a mad scramble to get on the right side of this. It is about those people promoting or protecting their names, not justice.

enh. i'm not into victim blaming. if this is where we're heading, i'll bow out of the debate.

Which is exactly what they want. People to be afraid to tell the truth. Never tell the girl to not dress like a slut and get drunk around a bunch of guys. That would be sexist. Rape and assault are always wrong, regardless, but victims do need to not position themselves as victims as well.

This is why Spacey is worse. Children are not able to make those decisions for themselves. Trying to seduce a 14 year old, that fucker could be shot in the face tomorrow and I would say cheers.

yes, you can clean the pool. you may not be able to get rid of all of the shit, but you can work to minimize it. and there is a difference between flirting, playing the game, and being abused or raped.

Foo wrote:

zombie wrote:

Foo wrote:

zombie wrote:and if rose mcgowan was the only one, you may be right to raise a stink eye. but she's not. there are several others. i don't know who is being truthful about an encounter, and who is twisting an encounter to add to the accusations. i'm not going to throw them all under the bus, because mcgowan may be acting opportunistically.

There is a mad scramble to get on the right side of this. It is about those people promoting or protecting their names, not justice.

enh. i'm not into victim blaming. if this is where we're heading, i'll bow out of the debate.

Which is exactly what they want. People to be afraid to tell the truth. Never tell the girl to not dress like a slut and get drunk around a bunch of guys. That would be sexist. Rape and assault are always wrong, regardless, but victims do need to not position themselves as victims as well.

This is why Spacey is worse. Children are not able to make those decisions for themselves. Trying to seduce a 14 year old, that fucker could be shot in the face tomorrow and I would say cheers.

how about tell the guys to not rape women? tell them not to predate on people, or take sexual advantage of people?

spacey and weinstein are both crap. both deserve to be in jail. but using one to excuse the other, or to downplay the other, does not exactly sit right with me. they didn't need to be compared or contrasted.

Foo wrote:If Nostradamus was more accurate, he could be me:

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Pedophile confirmed. Sick gay confirmed. Molested so many kids he can't even recall confirmed,

Perhaps my most beautifully timed thread of all time!

zombie wrote:yes, you can clean the pool. you may not be able to get rid of all of the shit, but you can work to minimize it. and there is a difference between flirting, playing the game, and being abused or raped.

Let me give you a scenario, tell me if this is rape or assault:

Actress meets for a movie role. Producer is attracted to her. He flirts. She flirts. He makes a sexual comment, and she makes a sexual comment. He asks her to his hotel room for a meeting. She comes alone and more flirting ensues. He begins to kiss and massage her. She is not willing, but says nothing. He continues. She pretends to enjoy the acts until it is over.

Is this rape? Is this a sexual assault?

Foo wrote:

zombie wrote:yes, you can clean the pool. you may not be able to get rid of all of the shit, but you can work to minimize it. and there is a difference between flirting, playing the game, and being abused or raped.

Let me give you a scenario, tell me if this is rape or assault:

Actress meets for a movie role. Producer is attracted to her. He flirts. She flirts. He makes a sexual comment, and she makes a sexual comment. He asks her to his hotel room for a meeting. She comes alone and more flirting ensues. He begins to kiss and massage her. She is not willing, but says nothing. He continues. She pretends to enjoy the acts until it is over.

Is this rape? Is this a sexual assault?

it's not rape. but because of the bolded part, it's something that should stop. and that does need to happen from both sides. but the guy seemingly has more of the power. they don't seem to be on equal footing of influence and success and such.

zombie wrote:

Foo wrote:

zombie wrote:

Foo wrote:

zombie wrote:and if rose mcgowan was the only one, you may be right to raise a stink eye. but she's not. there are several others. i don't know who is being truthful about an encounter, and who is twisting an encounter to add to the accusations. i'm not going to throw them all under the bus, because mcgowan may be acting opportunistically.

There is a mad scramble to get on the right side of this. It is about those people promoting or protecting their names, not justice.

enh. i'm not into victim blaming. if this is where we're heading, i'll bow out of the debate.

Which is exactly what they want. People to be afraid to tell the truth. Never tell the girl to not dress like a slut and get drunk around a bunch of guys. That would be sexist. Rape and assault are always wrong, regardless, but victims do need to not position themselves as victims as well.

This is why Spacey is worse. Children are not able to make those decisions for themselves. Trying to seduce a 14 year old, that fucker could be shot in the face tomorrow and I would say cheers.

how about tell the guys to not rape women? tell them not to predate on people, or take sexual advantage of people?

spacey and weinstein are both crap. both deserve to be in jail. but using one to excuse the other, or to downplay the other, does not exactly sit right with me. they didn't need to be compared or contrasted.

I do tell guys to not rape. I also tell women to not act like sluts. Is that wrong? Remember when parents used to caution their daughters to not dress like tramps? Those days are over, now the parents buy the tramp clothes and complain when a teacher says something about it.

Foo wrote:
I do tell guys to not rape. I also tell women to not act like sluts. Is that wrong? Remember when parents used to caution their daughters to not dress like tramps? Those days are over, now the parents buy the tramp clothes and complain when a teacher says something about it.

you've come down hard on mcgowan and actresses in general. i'll go back and look for where you came down hard on weinstein and moguls in general, as well.

zombie wrote:

Foo wrote:

zombie wrote:yes, you can clean the pool. you may not be able to get rid of all of the shit, but you can work to minimize it. and there is a difference between flirting, playing the game, and being abused or raped.

Let me give you a scenario, tell me if this is rape or assault:

Actress meets for a movie role. Producer is attracted to her. He flirts. She flirts. He makes a sexual comment, and she makes a sexual comment. He asks her to his hotel room for a meeting. She comes alone and more flirting ensues. He begins to kiss and massage her. She is not willing, but says nothing. He continues. She pretends to enjoy the acts until it is over.

Is this rape? Is this a sexual assault?

it's not rape. but because of the bolded part, it's something that should stop. and that does need to happen from both sides. but the guy seemingly has more of the power. they don't seem to be on equal footing of influence and success and such.

Can sex be power? Is the stunning actress who flirts a lot on eqyal footing with the frumpy actress who does not? Do females not frequently use sex as power over men?

zombie wrote:

Foo wrote:
I do tell guys to not rape. I also tell women to not act like sluts. Is that wrong? Remember when parents used to caution their daughters to not dress like tramps? Those days are over, now the parents buy the tramp clothes and complain when a teacher says something about it.

you've come down hard on mcgowan and actresses in general. i'll go back and look for where you came down hard on weinstein and moguls in general, as well.

Is this like saying because you come down hard on Trump you must support Hillary?

Foo wrote:
Can sex be power? Is the stunning actress who flirts a lot on eqyal footing with the frumpy actress who does not? Do females not frequently use sex as power over men?

sex can be power. some actresses do use appeal for a leg up on other actresses. men can be taken advantage of, as well, absolutely.

if you're arguing that a well established producer is on equal footing with an up and coming actress, i'm not inclined to believe that.

Foo wrote:

zombie wrote:

Foo wrote:
I do tell guys to not rape. I also tell women to not act like sluts. Is that wrong? Remember when parents used to caution their daughters to not dress like tramps? Those days are over, now the parents buy the tramp clothes and complain when a teacher says something about it.

you've come down hard on mcgowan and actresses in general. i'll go back and look for where you came down hard on weinstein and moguls in general, as well.

Is this like saying because you come down hard on Trump you must support Hillary?

no. you specifically said you tell guys not to rape. and when i try to shift or widen the discussion, you double down and focus more on the actresses.

zombie wrote:

Foo wrote:

zombie wrote:

Foo wrote:
I do tell guys to not rape. I also tell women to not act like sluts. Is that wrong? Remember when parents used to caution their daughters to not dress like tramps? Those days are over, now the parents buy the tramp clothes and complain when a teacher says something about it.

you've come down hard on mcgowan and actresses in general. i'll go back and look for where you came down hard on weinstein and moguls in general, as well.

Is this like saying because you come down hard on Trump you must support Hillary?

no. you specifically said you tell guys not to rape. and when i try to shift or widen the discussion, you double down and focus more on the actresses.

No means no.