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Is it just because you're afraid of being falsely accused of rape?

cause that's the only reason I can see for trumping it up as being a crippling experience.

If the innocent person is put in jail, and is beaten and raped in prison (rapists and especially child rapists are massive targets in prison, so if you're innocent, other prisoners won't believe you anyway). It really is a nightmare scenario to me (i sure as fuck wouldn't survive it), and no amount of appeals will fix that, especially if you don't survive to the next appeal, and the state won't do shit about it even if the appeal pulls through and you're found innocent. That's fucking awful. Then if your appeal never succeeds, but you get released, you're stuck registering as a sex offender, and everyone treats you like shit, harassing, bullying, threatening, that it's no wonder suicide would become a thought.

But the odds of that happening is so small in comparison to real rapes, I just can't logically put it on the same level, I would still put the rapists as the more dangerous because they are far more numerous, more rampant, and obviously traumatic. Individual trauma may not equal the nightmare scenario I described above (I'm not psychic)...but just how frequent it is makes it more terrible, in my eyes. Liars about rapes are like shark bites, but rapists are like mosquito bites, as far as odds go. (this is in no way downplaying a rapist as just a nuisance with that simile example).

Just to bring us full circle, Trump has been accused of rape on three occasions, once involving a 13 year old. The ultimate life!

I hated typing all that, too. I feel dirty having to put all that thought into it.

Headhunter wrote:Just to bring us full circle, Trump has been accused of rape on three occasions, once involving a 13 year old. The ultimate life!

And I was anticipating hearing the outcome of that too, but that story seemed to die right after he got elected.

It's okay, this thread started with men splooging over the sexual exploits of another man. Just clicking on the thread is enough to catch a few diseases.

Never thought we'd have to have a poll as to whether rapists or liers are worse. I'm not really surprised, but I am rather disappointed. As much as Foo and Jason may care.

Jason wrote:

showa58taro wrote:

Tiggnutz wrote:

Jason wrote:

Tiggnutz wrote:I think Trump is a colossal Douchebag but I do find the chicks who used to guzzle his goo coming forward thing interesting.

I find it interesting how a plethora of rookie athletes get accused of the same shit the minute they get their rookie contract.

Women like that are exactly as bad as the men who actually rape.

You believe people who lie are as bad as people who commit rape? That's pretty fucked up dude and you clearly don't understand rape. One of the most vile things I've ever read ever.Disturbing

Glad I’m not the only one not ok with that bullshit

If a woman you accidentally bumped into on the train accused you of raping her and you get sent to prison while your wife and children think of their father as a rapist, you might feel differently.

No. I wouldn’t. Because my morality is not based on inconvenience.

DancesWithWerewolves wrote:If the innocent person is put in jail, and is beaten and raped in prison (rapists and especially child rapists are massive targets in prison, so if you're innocent, other prisoners won't believe you anyway). It really is a nightmare scenario to me (i sure as fuck wouldn't survive it), and no amount of appeals will fix that, especially if you don't survive to the next appeal, and the state won't do shit about it even if the appeal pulls through and you're found innocent. That's fucking awful. Then if your appeal never succeeds, but you get released, you're stuck registering as a sex offender, and everyone treats you like shit, harassing, bullying, threatening, that it's no wonder suicide would become a thought.

But the odds of that happening is so small in comparison to real rapes, I just can't logically put it on the same level, I would still put the rapists as the more dangerous because they are far more numerous, more rampant, and obviously traumatic. Individual trauma may not equal the nightmare scenario I described above (I'm not psychic)...but just how frequent it is makes it more terrible, in my eyes. Liars about rapes are like shark bites, but rapists are like mosquito bites, as far as odds go. (this is in no way downplaying a rapist as just a nuisance with that simile example).

wrongful convictions are always awful, but realistically, you're more likely to be wrongfully convicted of robbery or murder than rape. And your odds of wrongful conviction for a crime almost double if you're black.

I get that that is a nightmare scenario for pretty much anyone, but for some, short of registering as a sex offender (though when people find out you were raped you tend to be avoided and ostracized, called names, etc, especially if you didn't report it. If your rapist wasn't convicted, then you get liar or vindictive on top of all of the colorful euphemisms for slut more often than not, and that's usually from other women, especially women in the rapist's life. I've honestly found men much more supportive of the situation), that's pretty much just their life post-rape with no chance of ever getting away from it, especially if it happens as a child because you actually grow up to believe you're only getting what you deserve. Maybe that's why it doesn't seem worse to me. I got away from the cycle of abuse. I'm considered one of the lucky ones and I'm still a fucking mess. I think prison wouldn't have really been all that different than my childhood and teen years, except I would have had access to healthcare throughout it and a chance at getting timely help and it wouldn't have been me causing the physical harm to myself.


and I think that comparison is pretty apt, but I'd take it a bit farther and specify great white shark bites, they happen and they are big news when they do, but they are not nearly as common as one would believe based on the news.

Actual crime stats for context and why the two are not commensurate in awfulness.

The inserted attachment is scrollable. Interesting.

Yep, my Shark/Mosquito comparison is definitely apt

DancesWithWerewolves wrote:Yep, my Shark/Mosquito comparison is definitely apt

Extremely. I was surprised by just how good an analogy it is. You crushed it.

Glad you posted that picture, Seb. I was going to before I saw you already did.

But I would bet that neither Jason or Foo care at all, or believe the actual facts.

Thought facts are useful rather than just emotions.

Lots of deplorable creeps in this thread. Welcome!

showa58taro wrote:

Jason wrote:

showa58taro wrote:

Tiggnutz wrote:

Jason wrote:

Tiggnutz wrote:I think Trump is a colossal Douchebag but I do find the chicks who used to guzzle his goo coming forward thing interesting.

I find it interesting how a plethora of rookie athletes get accused of the same shit the minute they get their rookie contract.

Women like that are exactly as bad as the men who actually rape.

You believe people who lie are as bad as people who commit rape? That's pretty fucked up dude and you clearly don't understand rape. One of the most vile things I've ever read ever.Disturbing

Glad I’m not the only one not ok with that bullshit

If a woman you accidentally bumped into on the train accused you of raping her and you get sent to prison while your wife and children think of their father as a rapist, you might feel differently.

No. I wouldn’t. Because my morality is not based on inconvenience.

You can quit pretending otherwise. Your life is shattered, your wife and children think of you as a rapist and you're in prison. But you're not affected, because you've still got your morality and only you know it!

Yeah, not buying that nonsense for a split second.

showa58taro wrote:Actual crime stats for context and why the two are not commensurate in awfulness.

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You can't put an accurate statistic to unreported crimes. Also, what does it have to do with the hypothetical discussion here?

Headhunter wrote:Actually, I think it’s very fair to say many people are more outraged by the few cases of liars being exposed than they are about rape. There is always plenty of outrage about each individual case of that nature, usually that’s the only time those people have anything to say about rape cases.

Wonder why those people don’t express similar outrage about how rare incarceration is for actual rapists. Very strange indeed.

I would apply the death penalty to cases of violent rape that are indisputable.

showa58taro wrote:Actual crime stats for context and why the two are not commensurate in awfulness.

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Did they employ a wizard and a psychic to help them with those "statistics"?