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Re: Jason's Random Political Comments
Posted: Fri Aug 30, 2019 4:16 pm
by zombie
Headhunter wrote:zombie wrote:Headhunter wrote:You guys always make the mistake of personalizing the issue instead of viewing it through a societal lens. "White people" does not, and never has, meant "you, Zombie/Tigg/Jason, you specifically". The segregated structure of American cities with money and industry flowing out of the most heavily African-American areas, is absolutely a consequence of behavioral patterns of white people in general for generations. That's an uncomfortable reality in America. When black people move in somewhere, white people move out and the economy dies. Then you build a highway through it so nobody ever has to deal with "that part" of the city.
i think this is two different issues. you can acknowledge that a problem exists, relating to bias or prejudice. and you can also acknowledge blame does often fall to those not connected to that problem, based on common traits.
Does it really though? I have no doubt people take it that way, because we're wired to believe everything is about us.
i mean how do i answer that? i don't think there is anything to go on, save for anecdotes and individual examples based on perception. there's not a study or census into that, as far as i'm aware. i guess it depends on what you want to believe or what you'll take as potentially proof.
Re: Jason's Random Political Comments
Posted: Fri Aug 30, 2019 4:19 pm
by Tiggnutz
Headhunter wrote:zombie wrote:Headhunter wrote:You guys always make the mistake of personalizing the issue instead of viewing it through a societal lens. "White people" does not, and never has, meant "you, Zombie/Tigg/Jason, you specifically". The segregated structure of American cities with money and industry flowing out of the most heavily African-American areas, is absolutely a consequence of behavioral patterns of white people in general for generations. That's an uncomfortable reality in America. When black people move in somewhere, white people move out and the economy dies. Then you build a highway through it so nobody ever has to deal with "that part" of the city.
i think this is two different issues. you can acknowledge that a problem exists, relating to bias or prejudice. and you can also acknowledge blame does often fall to those not connected to that problem, based on common traits.
Does it really though? I have no doubt people take it that way, because we're wired to believe everything is about us.
Maybe always being the minority in my own experience makes me see things differently. Looking at people as good or bad instead of black and white has always served me
Re: Jason's Random Political Comments
Posted: Fri Aug 30, 2019 4:32 pm
by Headhunter
Tiggnutz wrote:Headhunter wrote:zombie wrote:Headhunter wrote:You guys always make the mistake of personalizing the issue instead of viewing it through a societal lens. "White people" does not, and never has, meant "you, Zombie/Tigg/Jason, you specifically". The segregated structure of American cities with money and industry flowing out of the most heavily African-American areas, is absolutely a consequence of behavioral patterns of white people in general for generations. That's an uncomfortable reality in America. When black people move in somewhere, white people move out and the economy dies. Then you build a highway through it so nobody ever has to deal with "that part" of the city.
i think this is two different issues. you can acknowledge that a problem exists, relating to bias or prejudice. and you can also acknowledge blame does often fall to those not connected to that problem, based on common traits.
Does it really though? I have no doubt people take it that way, because we're wired to believe everything is about us.
Maybe always being the minority in my own experience makes me see things differently. Looking at people as good or bad instead of black and white has always served me
I mean, tell America that.
Re: Jason's Random Political Comments
Posted: Fri Aug 30, 2019 4:36 pm
by Tiggnutz
Headhunter wrote:Tiggnutz wrote:Headhunter wrote:zombie wrote:Headhunter wrote:You guys always make the mistake of personalizing the issue instead of viewing it through a societal lens. "White people" does not, and never has, meant "you, Zombie/Tigg/Jason, you specifically". The segregated structure of American cities with money and industry flowing out of the most heavily African-American areas, is absolutely a consequence of behavioral patterns of white people in general for generations. That's an uncomfortable reality in America. When black people move in somewhere, white people move out and the economy dies. Then you build a highway through it so nobody ever has to deal with "that part" of the city.
i think this is two different issues. you can acknowledge that a problem exists, relating to bias or prejudice. and you can also acknowledge blame does often fall to those not connected to that problem, based on common traits.
Does it really though? I have no doubt people take it that way, because we're wired to believe everything is about us.
Maybe always being the minority in my own experience makes me see things differently. Looking at people as good or bad instead of black and white has always served me
I mean, tell America that.
I do think the majority do see it that way
Re: Jason's Random Political Comments
Posted: Fri Aug 30, 2019 5:29 pm
by Reign in Blood
Headhunter wrote:You guys always make the mistake of personalizing the issue instead of viewing it through a societal lens. "White people" does not, and never has, meant "you, Zombie/Tigg/Jason, you specifically". The segregated structure of American cities with money and industry flowing out of the most heavily African-American areas, is absolutely a consequence of behavioral patterns of white people in general for generations. That's an uncomfortable reality in America. When black people move in somewhere, white people move out and the economy dies. Then you build a highway through it so nobody ever has to deal with "that part" of the city.
And that's fine. Just don't look and point at guys like me when you're spitting the bullshit because we had nothing to do with it.
Re: Jason's Random Political Comments
Posted: Fri Aug 30, 2019 5:30 pm
by Headhunter
Reign in Blood wrote:Headhunter wrote:You guys always make the mistake of personalizing the issue instead of viewing it through a societal lens. "White people" does not, and never has, meant "you, Zombie/Tigg/Jason, you specifically". The segregated structure of American cities with money and industry flowing out of the most heavily African-American areas, is absolutely a consequence of behavioral patterns of white people in general for generations. That's an uncomfortable reality in America. When black people move in somewhere, white people move out and the economy dies. Then you build a highway through it so nobody ever has to deal with "that part" of the city.
And that's fine. Just don't look and point at guys like me when you're spitting the bullshit because we had nothing to do with it.
Again, not a thing that's happening
Re: Jason's Random Political Comments
Posted: Fri Aug 30, 2019 5:35 pm
by zombie
do you think that some people make assumptions about a person and lash out, simply because they have black skin? if so, why is it so hard to believe that it happens because someone has white skin too?
Re: Jason's Random Political Comments
Posted: Fri Aug 30, 2019 5:39 pm
by Headhunter
zombie wrote:do you think that some people make assumptions about a person and lash out, simply because they have black skin? if so, why is it so hard to believe that it happens because someone has white skin too?
Didn't say only white people can be racist.
Re: Jason's Random Political Comments
Posted: Fri Aug 30, 2019 5:43 pm
by zombie
Headhunter wrote:zombie wrote:do you think that some people make assumptions about a person and lash out, simply because they have black skin? if so, why is it so hard to believe that it happens because someone has white skin too?
Didn't say only white people can be racist.
but not that some may blame you for shit because they associate you with the reason they are struggling?
Re: Jason's Random Political Comments
Posted: Fri Aug 30, 2019 5:45 pm
by showa58taro
zombie wrote:Headhunter wrote:zombie wrote:do you think that some people make assumptions about a person and lash out, simply because they have black skin? if so, why is it so hard to believe that it happens because someone has white skin too?
Didn't say only white people can be racist.
but not that some may blame you for shit because they associate you with the reason they are struggling?
That’s why there’s a rise in White shootings.
Re: Jason's Random Political Comments
Posted: Fri Aug 30, 2019 5:49 pm
by zombie
showa58taro wrote:zombie wrote:Headhunter wrote:zombie wrote:do you think that some people make assumptions about a person and lash out, simply because they have black skin? if so, why is it so hard to believe that it happens because someone has white skin too?
Didn't say only white people can be racist.
but not that some may blame you for shit because they associate you with the reason they are struggling?
That’s why there’s a rise in White shootings.
does majority status negate any possibility that that same kind of thing could be directed your way, as an individual placed into that majority statistically?
Re: Jason's Random Political Comments
Posted: Fri Aug 30, 2019 5:52 pm
by Reign in Blood
Headhunter wrote:Reign in Blood wrote:Headhunter wrote:You guys always make the mistake of personalizing the issue instead of viewing it through a societal lens. "White people" does not, and never has, meant "you, Zombie/Tigg/Jason, you specifically". The segregated structure of American cities with money and industry flowing out of the most heavily African-American areas, is absolutely a consequence of behavioral patterns of white people in general for generations. That's an uncomfortable reality in America. When black people move in somewhere, white people move out and the economy dies. Then you build a highway through it so nobody ever has to deal with "that part" of the city.
And that's fine. Just don't look and point at guys like me when you're spitting the bullshit because we had nothing to do with it.
Again, not a thing that's happening
Oh well, Jason can go back to his black friends again then.
Re: Jason's Random Political Comments
Posted: Fri Aug 30, 2019 6:01 pm
by showa58taro
zombie wrote:showa58taro wrote:zombie wrote:Headhunter wrote:zombie wrote:do you think that some people make assumptions about a person and lash out, simply because they have black skin? if so, why is it so hard to believe that it happens because someone has white skin too?
Didn't say only white people can be racist.
but not that some may blame you for shit because they associate you with the reason they are struggling?
That’s why there’s a rise in White shootings.
does majority status negate any possibility that that same kind of thing could be directed your way, as an individual placed into that majority statistically?
You misconstrue. I mean shooting of Mexicans and black peoples BY white people. Because they wrongly blame them for perceived issues since their lives must be miserable because of minorities.
Whites shot by minoroties is a much smaller issue and has myriad reasons which don’t seem as obvious in terms of a root cause.
Re: Jason's Random Political Comments
Posted: Fri Aug 30, 2019 6:03 pm
by Headhunter
zombie wrote:Headhunter wrote:zombie wrote:do you think that some people make assumptions about a person and lash out, simply because they have black skin? if so, why is it so hard to believe that it happens because someone has white skin too?
Didn't say only white people can be racist.
but not that some may blame you for shit because they associate you with the reason they are struggling?
Are you asking if I think it's possible? Sure, it's possible. Haven't seen it.
Re: Jason's Random Political Comments
Posted: Fri Aug 30, 2019 6:05 pm
by zombie
showa58taro wrote:zombie wrote:showa58taro wrote:zombie wrote:Headhunter wrote:zombie wrote:do you think that some people make assumptions about a person and lash out, simply because they have black skin? if so, why is it so hard to believe that it happens because someone has white skin too?
Didn't say only white people can be racist.
but not that some may blame you for shit because they associate you with the reason they are struggling?
That’s why there’s a rise in White shootings.
does majority status negate any possibility that that same kind of thing could be directed your way, as an individual placed into that majority statistically?
You misconstrue. I mean shooting of Mexicans and black peoples BY white people. Because they wrongly blame them for perceived issues since their lives must be miserable because of minorities.
Whites shot by minoroties is a much smaller issue and has myriad reasons which don’t seem as obvious in terms of a root cause.
i got what you meant, exactly.. you turned what i was asking around, hence me trying to re-word it. and i wasn't speaking just about shootings. but this is going nowhere.
Re: Jason's Random Political Comments
Posted: Fri Aug 30, 2019 6:06 pm
by zombie
Headhunter wrote:zombie wrote:Headhunter wrote:zombie wrote:do you think that some people make assumptions about a person and lash out, simply because they have black skin? if so, why is it so hard to believe that it happens because someone has white skin too?
Didn't say only white people can be racist.
but not that some may blame you for shit because they associate you with the reason they are struggling?
Are you asking if I think it's possible? Sure, it's possible. Haven't seen it.
fair. you haven't seen it. that's anecdotal but i can trust you. i guess it's too far to trust that others have seen it though.
Re: Jason's Random Political Comments
Posted: Fri Aug 30, 2019 6:08 pm
by Headhunter
zombie wrote:Headhunter wrote:zombie wrote:Headhunter wrote:zombie wrote:do you think that some people make assumptions about a person and lash out, simply because they have black skin? if so, why is it so hard to believe that it happens because someone has white skin too?
Didn't say only white people can be racist.
but not that some may blame you for shit because they associate you with the reason they are struggling?
Are you asking if I think it's possible? Sure, it's possible. Haven't seen it.
fair. you haven't seen it. that's anecdotal but i can trust you. i guess it's too far to trust that others have seen it though.
Must be some articles/videos online that confirm this phenomenon, right?
Re: Jason's Random Political Comments
Posted: Fri Aug 30, 2019 6:11 pm
by Headhunter
Do you consider the concept of white privilege to be personally offensive?
Re: Jason's Random Political Comments
Posted: Fri Aug 30, 2019 6:12 pm
by zombie
Headhunter wrote:zombie wrote:Headhunter wrote:zombie wrote:Headhunter wrote:zombie wrote:do you think that some people make assumptions about a person and lash out, simply because they have black skin? if so, why is it so hard to believe that it happens because someone has white skin too?
Didn't say only white people can be racist.
but not that some may blame you for shit because they associate you with the reason they are struggling?
Are you asking if I think it's possible? Sure, it's possible. Haven't seen it.
fair. you haven't seen it. that's anecdotal but i can trust you. i guess it's too far to trust that others have seen it though.
Must be some articles/videos online that confirm this phenomenon, right?
i'm sure there are examples recorded online. what makes it so unbelievable that that could be directed at some white people, when it clearly happens toward minorities?
Re: Jason's Random Political Comments
Posted: Fri Aug 30, 2019 6:16 pm
by Reign in Blood
Headhunter wrote:Do you consider the concept of white privilege to be personally offensive?
Why should it, it's a real thing.